dr audrey to graze joining us he's a biomedical gerontologist and also the
chief science officer at the sense foundation joining us today from a
california
doctor today it's great to speak with you again you know after the last time
you are on the show talking about
uh... uh... uh... puppets national news therapy self therapies which could
indefinitely extend one's life we had so much feedback but i figured we should
have you back and talk about what the reaction was and you know one of the
most interesting
means i saw in people's reactions to your interview was
uh... a lot of objections so what you're proposing that may be possible based on
religion
and my question to you was two-fold number one
do you run into that a lot in your work and number two art was thinking
uh... worked their nine hundred year olds in the bible and it doesn't seem
not like if that that disconnected
well i don't really like to talk to mike about whether lee
uh... reported longevity and bible advani railroads to what we do 'cause
because there are many interpretations of that
they actual uh... you have a look at the compatibility between religious belief
whether it's good to know who lives
and below that we do is actually very clear
in fact with both of them that it's not just back event to debate a viewing the
part about the bullets corrective action mandated by scripture
because i think it baking cookies suffering because they org dot br and
yesterday unequivocal on the point that we are prepared to do our very best to
minimize separate
some people like that it will be a little very well but not the problem of
the quarterback to that's what many of the people will lead to a great deal
uh... but then again that's really and an appropriate way to look at it because
underfed the longevity benefits but one might expect from that part of the reply
back that something that we kind of debate out of the natural consequence of
giving people helping people or quality of life time
adequate that's right that is not absolutely certain i thought you know
look ahead to a bit but the only person treatment that got him started down the
refundable that went on a healthy way or whatever and he did it
shut but most of them with the did anyway disrupting or challenging but fun
for the world get the opposite
another way of putting their spirit to find out last
what medicine big about improving babel tower and rabbi increasing their
longevity
i don't have many people condemning macromolecular today scrambling to
prospective but no difference
insisting
from let me give you a couple of other questions that we got at rebecca wrote
in and she said oh i think anti aging will become like cancer therapies there
are many types of aging just as there are many types of cancer
and each will need as separate approach this doctor degree agree with that urges
is he really researching a one-shot solution
onions are questioned and reverse order
they approach the witness at level one shop solution in the sense of being a
treatment that would be
admitted just wants and then one would become known aging in someone's along
with him somewhere infected
that's not going to happen engineers mentioned at the moment on the body
which is going to carry on happening and which can be
prevented from leading to l health only by periodic
treatments that essentially were blessed the biological clock
repair the damage of aging
every so often so that doesn't become the bundy not too close
disease and disability
uh... now to move on to the uh... that the core of the question
they
trans approach is very much a divide and conquer approach we divide the problem
of aiding in seven may decide problems and we attack each of those some
problems with a particular solution
well up to one side of the business about essentially whether this need to
be personalized
actually the beauty of the fence approach is that it should be a
applicable pretty much without modification
to everybody
irrespective of which aspect of beijing happened to be going for a little bit
faster or a bit more slowly in one person relative to other parts of
and actually the analogy with comes as a very appropriate one because
conservation v not just one of these there are enormous number of different
types of cancer each with their own
gilliardi
and the treatments that we see each day and cancer have to
actually found that into account my statement about michael treatments that
we have to get the counter are very much
focused on individual fast because it's not
over the fence approach to combating country through universal because it
addresses what attracts
one thing the council do will have in common however much they don't have in
common
namely
we need to extend the ends of the chromosomes that susan is
in order to between investment television
okay oak uh... one thing we touched on a little bit annually into this by saying
uh... if if
this type of life extension does uh... become commonplace something like
driving wouldn't would realistically be outlawed because it would be far too
risky i got an email saying i think
uh... near immortality would bring radical changes the human behavior
people would be extremely careful
they would take no risks fear of death is a lot higher if you have the
possibility of living a thousand years and when you could only live eighty to
ninety years
uh... what what do you think of that is d_e_s_ and i think you agree
well he doesn't know soak my particular driving would be outlawed would like to
be something that i wrote way way back in nine nineteen ninety eight a ninety
nine
well i think just very first time thinking about all that's in friendship
so actually had not even involved in accidents
and find nothing but that's actually quite unlikely to happen
and i think that yes we will become
very much more rest of us very much more interesting avoiding cause of death that
today we are relatively blood by about that but i already wrote
already relatively rare in the short number of years that we have available
to
but the way that we will actually implement that risk aversion is not in
general going to be by avoiding the activities that are risky but rather by
making that activity at less risky through technology
so in the face of driving i think that's been the likelihood of all we want to is
make talking a lot safer by making much more uh... must take the probe with a
lot of you know a dramatic files siphoned overrides
uh... to accommodates
in that abuse missile technology that is by the within reach today stepped in to
bring the expensive because the only people who think last
actually value for money in the civil rights
uh... developmental victory over the last month the stuff and then of course
the sophistication full increase in the price would be great
mockingly any other event is there evidence that as uh... life expectancy
has increased already added over the last couple of hundred years
people have already become more risk-averse i mean i was thinking if a
twenty-year-old thinks that they're going to live with a hundred and sixty
years instead of eighty
i can imagine they would really act
so differently so there has to be an in it it has to be a sliding scale to a
certain degree
i think your audioslave style and i think going to take your we should not
talk about
the attitude to risk that people under the idea let's say twenty twenty-five
aggressiveness
boldly having really quiet got a good sense about the value at risk in fourth
place
uh... but if we talk about people who are a little bit both realized i think
that
laid out the second so much of a sliding scale i think the may be a lot of rest
that again
i think when you make about us
the possibility but we've already statement crease in risk aversion
actually supported by date set
uh... one thing we want to look at is they
uh...
explicitly attitude to the value of life
labs is
shown by the actions all of people across the world in different societies
lee ones i would like to point to
uh... but it's very uh...
yeah been very conspicuous
is the situation with paige in south africa
work was they had a state of south africa
for many many years was
technip of the position of your policy position
based on the idea of h_i_v_ doesn't go away
if they had a state of anywhere in the industrialized world western world has
seven times then they wouldn't have been out of state very long
i think we can say that i mean very much pleasure to have a freedom democracy
labs
this really is the role of uh... clear expression and that's
people in south africa just didn't have the same intensity in terms of
wanting something to be done about aids that exact elsewhere i think it is
reasonable to suppose that a large part of that comes from the fact that
the such a high risk of mortality from other causes in
sometime after being general in new south africa relative to what we see in
the west
interesting spot you know i wish we had more time i last thought on this is at
let's say you're right about the development of this technology in the in
the relatively near future do we really want rick santorum living a thousand
years that's i think the real question we have to eventually get to know
well the rick santorum wants rick santorum telephoned israeli won't be
time people down rejuvenation before tuesday
that's good days if i could for him to know that that doctor are reading grade
biomedical gerontologist also chief science officer at the sense that nation
great to speak with you as always