SENIOR ADVISER AT MOVE ON.ORG AND MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR KARIN.
AND JONATHAN YOU’RE REAL SMART
AND IN WASHINGTON.
FIRST OF ALL, I DIDN’T GET A
THANK YOU FROM MY MOTHER FOR HER
FUNERAL A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
SHOULD I HOLD THIS AGAINST HER.
>> STOP IT.
NO.
NO. >> IT IS DIFFICULT TO SEND THANK
YOUS FROM ONTHE GRAVE TYPICALLY.
>> PLEASE, DO BRAG.
>> WELL, I DON’T WANT TO BRAG
BUT THE HARD BALL YOU GUYS WERE
TALKING ABOUT THE McCAIN
SEGMENT.
SEGMENT. I WAS ON THAT HARD BALL SEGMENT.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO YOU EXPLAIN
AS YOU DID ON THE MYSTERY
VERSION OF HARD BALL.
>> SO GREAT.
>> WHAT EXACTLY DID DONALD TRUMP
NOT GET WRONG?
BUT WHAT DID HE GET RIGHT ABOUT
THAT STATEMENT?
THAT STATEMENT? AND PLEASE EXPLAIN WHETHER HE IS
THE ONE MAKING THE DECISION
ABOUT WHETHER HE LIES IN STATE
IN CONGRESS.
IN CONGRESS. ABOUT WHETHER THE CEREMONY IS AT
THE NATIONAL CATHEDRAL, ET
CETERA?
CETERA? >> HE GOT FAR MORE WRONG THAN
RIGHT.
RIGHT. HE DID PLAY A SMALL ROLE IN THE
McCAIN FUNERAL PROCEEDINGS.
BUT NO PRESIDENT APPROVES THE
FUNERALS OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.
CONGRESS DECIDES WHO LIES IN
STATE.
STATE. THE WASHINGTON NATIONAL
CATHEDRAL HAS OVERSIGHT OF WHAT
HAPPENS IN THEIR CHURCH.
THE SERVICES FOR McCAIN IN
ARIZONA WAS DONE BY THE GOVERNOR
THERE.
THERE. WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID DO WAS
ARRANGE FOR A MILITARY TRANSPORT
THAT WOULD TAKE McCAIN’S CASKET
FROM ARIZONA TO WASHINGTON.
HE ARRANGED FOR SOME OF THE
HORSES AND THE BANDS AND SOME OF
THE PROCESSION THAT CAME WITH
IT.
IT. HE DID PLAY A SMALL ROLE IN THE
PROCEEDINGS BUT CERTAINLY DIDN’T
GIVE THE FUNERAL TO JOHN McCAIN.
HE CERTAINLY SHOULDN’T EXPECT A
THANK YOU FROM THE LATE SENATOR.
AND MORE THAN THAT, IN
ILLUMINATES HOW McCAIN MAB
PERSISTENTLY UNDER HIS SKIN AND
HE IS UNABLE TO LET ANY SLIGHT
GO, EVEN IN IN CASE SEVEN OR
MORE MONTHS AFTER McCAIN PASSED
AWAY.
AWAY. >> JON MEACHAM, HE WAS TALKING
ABOUT HIM IN PRESENT TENSE.
ATTACKING HIM IN PRESENT TENSE.
>> MORE DISTURBING.
>> TO A VERY QUIET AUDIENCE, WHO
WAS HORRIFIED BY WHAT HE WAS
SAYING.
SAYING. FOR THOSE OF US WHO KNEW JOHN
McCAIN, I CAN HEAR HIS LAUGHTER
THAT HE IS GETTING UNDER DONALD
TRUMP’S SKIN SEVEN MONTHS LATER.
>> I THINK THE OTHER THING IS --
I WOULD BET A GOOD BIT OF MONA
THE PRESIDENT IS CONFLATING
McCAIN’S DEATH WITH PRESIDENT
BUSH’S.
BUSH’S. AND IT’S MIXED UP UP THERE.
I THINK HE IS SORT OF CONFUSED
ABOUT STATE FUNERALS.
AND I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THAT
SENTENCE ABOUT ALMOST EVERYTHING
AND LEAVE THE OBJECT OF THE
PREPOSITION OPEN.
PREPOSITION OPEN. BUT I THINK THAT’S A BIG PART OF
THIS.
THIS. AND IT IS -- ONE OF THE
REMARKABLE THINGS ABOUT THIS ERA
AND WHAT’S GOING TO MAKE IT I
THINK FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD FOR
HISTORIANS IS COULD THIS MAN
HAVE AN UNEXPRESSED THOUGHT?
I DON’T KNOW FROM A PURELY
PHYSICAL SCIENTIFIC VIEW HE
COULD?
COULD? SO THAT HE TALKS AND ANYTHING
THAT COMES TO MIND COMES OUT.
SO HIS OBSESSION WITH THESE
FIGURES WHO WERE MILITARY
HEROES, WHO DID HAVE
EXTRAORDINARY CONNECTIONS TO
THEIR PARTIES, HOWEVER
COMPLICATED, IS PENNSYLVANIA
CONSTANT OBSESSION.
CONSTANT OBSESSION. AND SOMEONE COMMENTED I THINK
BRILLIANTLY -- THIS IS MACBETH
MEETS C-SPAN.
MEETS C-SPAN. >> IT IS.
>> IT IS. NOAH YOU’RE WRITING ABOUT THIS.
IT’S ALSO ODD IF YOU LOOK
YESTERDAY ON TWITTER YOU SEE HE
IS IN A BATTLE WITH ONE OF THE
FOREMOST CONSERVATIVE LEGAL
MINDS, GEORGE CONWAY.
HE IS IN A BATTLE WITH A GHOST
OF JOHN McCAIN, A MAN SWEPT INTO
WASHINGTON IN THE REAGAN
REVOLUTION IN THE ’80s AND
SERVED THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND
NOMINEE IN 2008.
YOU HAVE PETE WANER WHO RAN KARL
ROVE’S SHOP FOR GEORGE BUSH.
ALL OF THEM TALKING ABOUT HOW
THIS MAN IS BREAKING DOWN
MENTALLY BEFORE OUR EYES.
NIECE ARE PEOPLE WHO WERE THE
BACK BONE OF THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY AND THE THE CONSERVATIVE
MOVEMENT FOR 30 YEARS.
>> YEAH, I MEAN I DON’T SEE ANY
BEHAVIOR THAT’S DIFFERENT,
THOUGH FROM WHAT HE HAS ALWAYS
DONE.
DONE. HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN UNSTABLE.
SO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS A
MENTAL ISSUE.
MENTAL ISSUE. >> I THINK THERE IS A RAMP-UP
THE PAST FEW DAYS.
>> IN THAT CASE WE ARE IN REAL
TROUBLE.
TROUBLE. >> TOTALLY AGREE.
>> YOU GET A GLIMMER OF
SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS.
SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS. WHICH IS AN EFFORT TO STIGMA
TUCCI THIS MAN.
THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO
JUSTIFY SAYING THE STEELE
DOSSIER HE GAVE TO THE FBI, AND
THE OBAMA CARE VOTE.
THE FEUD BEGAN BETWEEN THE TWO
OF THEM IN EARLY 2015 RIGHT
AFTER HE CAME DOWN THE SCLART
FROM JOHN McCAIN DISSENTED FROM
COMMENTS ABOUT MEXICO.
THE NOTION THAT McCAIN GIVING IN
TROUBLE DOCUMENT TO THE
AUTHORITIES.
AUTHORITIES. BUT THE OBAMACARE REALLY STICKS
UNDER MY SKIN, BECAUSE JOHN
McCAIN VOTED AGAINST ONE
ITERATION OF THE OBAMACARE
REPEAL BILL.
REPEAL BILL. DONALD TRUMP CAMPAIGNED AGAINST
ANOTHER ONE.
ANOTHER ONE. HE SAID ON A STUMP IN IOWA THAT
IT WAS MEAN, LACKED HEART,
DIDN’T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY.
HE KILLED THAT BILL.
HE GETS A TOTAL PASS FROM HIS
SUPPORTERS FOR KILLING THAT BILL
BECAUSE IT WAS BASED IN
CONSCIOUS.
CONSCIOUS. BUT JOHN McCAIN KILLING THIS
ITERATION IS UNACCEPTABLE.
>> RIDICULOUS.
>> RIDICULOUS. IT WAS A SKINNY REPEAL ANYWAY.
IT SHOULDN’T SURPRISE US WE
SHOULDN’T WASTE OUR BREATH TO
LET YOU KNOW DONALD TRUMP IS
LYING ABOUT THAT.
IF YOU ARE A TRUMP SUPPORTER
SAYING JOHN McCAIN WAS A TRAITOR
BECAUSE HE DIDN’T VOTE TO REPEAL
OBAMACARE, PLEASE, DON’T ADMIT
THAT TO ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF YOUR
HOME, BECAUSE THAT’S A REALLY
STUPID THING TO SAY.
I ASK YOU, AGAIN, GET YOUR
MANNED OUT OF THE BLENDER.
TURN IT OFF FIRST THEN GET YOUR
HANDOUT OF THE BLENDER.
GO NEXT DOOR AND ASK TO BORROW
THE GOOGLE MACHINE BECAUSE
YOU’RE GOING TO MAKE A FOOL OF
YOURSELF IF YOU ARE REPEAT THIS.
GET THAT.
GET THAT. BLENDER OFF.
BLENDER OFF. >> HANDOUT.
>> HANDOUT. >> THIS MAY MAY APPLY TO THOSE
CRITICIZING PRESIDENT TRUMP
INCLUDING LINDSEY GRAHAM.
>> I THINK THE PRESIDENT’S
COMMENTS ABOUT SENATOR McCAIN
HURT HIM MORE THAN THEY HURT THE
LEGACY OF SENATOR McCAIN.
I’M GOING TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO
HELP THE PRESIDENT.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE COMING
TO JOHN’S DEFENSE NOW.
BUT CALL THEM CRAZY AND A WAR
AMONGER, SO IT’S INTERESTING TO
SEE THE POLITICS HOW THIS
DISPUTE IS BEING USED TO BASH
TRUMP BY PEOPLE AGAINST BOTH
TRUMP AND McCAIN.
I’VE GOT TO KNOW THE PRESIDENT.
WE HAVE A GOOD WORKING
RELATIONSHIP.
RELATIONSHIP. I LIKE HIM.
I DON’T LIKE IT WHEN HE SAYS
THINGS ABOUT MY FRIEND JOHN
McCAIN.
McCAIN. >> SO HOW DO YOU CHARACTERIZE
THE WAY PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS
TALKING ABOUT SENATOR McCAIN?
AND WHAT DO YOU THINK IT SAYS
ABOUT THE PRESIDENT.
>> IT’S ZPLOERABLE SAID.
>> PAN THAT WAS SENATOR JOHNNY
ISAACSON.
ISAACSON. HE WAS A REPUBLICAN FROM
GEORGIA.
GEORGIA. HE WAS CLEAR IN THE
CONDEMNATION.
CONDEMNATION. >> LINDSEY CAN’T JUST COME OUT
AND CONDEMN THE PRESIDENT.
>> WHY?
>> WHY? GOOD GRACIOUS.
GOOD GRACIOUS. >> WHAT DOES HE MEAN BY I THINK
IT’S INTERESTING THAT SOME
PEOPLE WHO DIDN’T WORK WITH JOHN
McCAIN ARE NOW DEFENDING HIM.
YES, HE IS DEAD.
HE CAN’T DEFEND HIMSELF.
HE IS A DEAD WAR HERO WHO ROTTED
IN A HANOI PRISON.
>> SERVED THIS COUNTRY FOR
DECADES.
DECADES. >> HURT SO BADLY HE COULDN’T
RAISE HIS ARMS ABOVE HIS
SHOULDERS THE REST OF HIS LIFE
AND REFUSED TO LEAVE UNTIL ALL
OF HIS OTHER INMATES LEFT.
I MEAN, WHAT DOES LINDSEY NOT
UNDERSTAND?
UNDERSTAND? THAT’S NOT A PARTISAN FIGHT.
YOU CAN FIGHT OVER WARS AND
FIGHT OVER CAMPAIGN FINANCE AND
YOU DON’T FIGHT OVER THERE.
>> YOU DON’T NEED TO QUALIFY
THAT.
THAT. SOME OF THE REPUBLICANS -- EVEN
MITCH McCONNELL, THE MAJORITY
LEADER HE CAME OUT AND TALKED
ABOUT McCAIN WHAT A GREAT MAN HE
WAS BUT WOULDN’T CONDEMN
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
PRESIDENT TRUMP. MANY OF THE CAMP CAN’T BRING
THEMSELVES TO CRITICIZE THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. >> IT WAS A WEAK TWEET.
LET ME STEP BACK A SECOND.
S IN A PRESIDENT WHO REFUSED TO
SERVE, BESIDES NEVER SERVED BUT
REFUSED TO SERVE ATTACKING A WAR
HERO, A VETERAN.
THE THING THAT I THINK IS REALLY
THE DAMAGE IS MADE JUST IMAGINE
WAKING UP THIS MORNING AS A
VETERAN AND YOU HEAR THE
COMMANDER IN CHIEF ATTACKING A
WAR HERO, A VETERAN.
OR YOU’RE AN ACTIVE DUTY SOLDIER
OVERSEAS UP A HEAR THE COMMANDER
IN CHIEF ATTACKING A WAR HERO.
THERE IS NO BOTTOM WITH THIS
GUY.
GUY. WE SAY THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
BUT THERE IS SOME FUNDAMENTAL
DAMAGE HE IS DOING WITH OUR OWN
MILITARY DOING THAT.
HE SPOKE FOR FIVE MINUTES
UNPROMPTED SAYING THEY ASKED ME
BECAUSE THEY LOVE ME.
IT’S ALL ABOUT HIM.
AND HE JUST NEEDS TO BE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT WILL NEVER
HAPPEN.
HAPPEN. >> IN DEFENSE FROM SOME OF THE
PRESIDENT’S SUPPORTERS THAT HE
IS A COUNTERPUFRMER.
YOU’RE COUNTERPUNCHING AGAINST A
GUY DEAD FOR SEVEN MONTHS.
>> IT’S LIKE THE COMMERCIAL THAT
SAYS TIMING IS EVERYTHING.
THE GUY STAIRS AT HER SHE GETS
UP AND LEAVE CRYING AND FIVE
MINUTES LATER HE GOES I LOVE YOU
TOO.
TOO. YOU’RE COUNTERPUNCHING SO SLOW
AND OLD AND OUT OF SHAPE YOU’RE
COUNTERPUNCHING.
COUNTERPUNCHING. >> NO.
>> NO. >> AND COUNTERPUNCHING AGAINST
WHAT?
WHAT? >> AGAINST HIS HONOR.
COUNTERPUNCHING AGAINST THE FACT
THAT JOHN ZMAN WAS MORE OF A MAN
THAN DONALD TRUMP EVER WAS AND
EVER WILL BE.
HE WAS A HERO.
YOU KNOW, IT’S INTERESTING,
THOUGH, YOU TALKED ABOUT ALL THE
DEFERMENTS.
DEFERMENTS. I LEARNED SOMETHING YESTERDAY
REALLY INTERESTING.
REALLY INTERESTING. BOB KERRY, FORMER SENATOR OF
NEBRASKA WHO LEFT PART OF
HIMSELF ON THE BATTLEFIELD IN
VIETNAM ACTUALLY EXPLAINED THAT
THOSE DON’T GO AWAY.
>> HE WOULD HAVE THOSE BONE
SPURS.
SPURS. MAYBE WE SHOULD -- WHO IS THE
DOCTOR WITH HAIR ALL OVER THE