IN THE MEANTIME, GREAT TO HAVE
YOU.
>> HAPPY THANKSGIVING.
>> Shannon: ACCORDING TO
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" LEAKS THE
HOROWITZ REPORT HAS SOME BAD
NEWS FOR THE FBI THAT INCLUDES
EVIDENCE THAT AN FBI LAWYER
MANIPULATED A KEY INVESTIGATIVE
DOCUMENT AND THE PROCESS OF
APPLYING TO GET A WARRANT FOR
SURVEILLANCE ON A TRUMP CAMPAIGN
STAFF.
LET'S DISCUSS ALL OF THIS WITH
THE FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT
GENERAL HARRY LITMAN AND
PROFESSOR OF LAW, THEY DO HAVE
BOTH OF YOU WITH US TONIGHT.
>> GREAT TO BE HERE.
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" ALSO
REPORTING AND WHAT THEY SAY WILL
BE ANY HOROWITZ REPORT SAY THIS,
TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT
THERE IS ACTUALLY SOME
WRONGDOING BY THE FBI.
>> Shannon: IT SAYS,
MR. HORWITZ WILL SHARPLY
CRITICIZE FBI LAWYERS FOR THEIR
HANDLING OF THE INVESTIGATION
AND SOME WAYS ANTI-HONORS ERRORS
AND OMISSIONS WHEN FBI OFFICIALS
APPLY FOR THE WIRETAP.
INCLUDING NUMEROUS MISTAKES IN
THE PROCESS.
PROFESSOR, FOR WHAT ANYONE?
>> I DON'T THINK SO.
PEOPLE OF MADE UP THEIR MINDS ON
WHAT HAS HAPPENED, NOT JUST WITH
REGARD TO THE INVESTIGATION OF
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
WITH REGARD TO IMPEACHMENT AND
OTHER THINGS.
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR THREE
YEARS.
THE FACT THAT THERE ARE LEAKS
COMING OUT TRYING TO SET THE
STAGE AND SPIN A NARRATIVE, I
DON'T THINK IT WILL MAKE A
DIFFERENCE.
LET'S WAIT TILL THE HOROWITZ
REPORT COMES OUT AND SEE WHAT IT
REALLY SAYS.
I DON'T THINK, THREE YEARS INTO
THE EFFORT TO REMOVE TRUMP,
THREE YEARS INTO FIGHTING OVER
THE MUELLER REPORT'S.
THREE YEARS INTO ALL OF THE
RUSSIA COLLUSION ALLEGATIONS.
I DON'T THINK MINDS ARE BEING
CHANGED AT ALL BY ANY OF THIS.
>> Shannon: TO DEFINE, THE FBI
SAYS -- HORWITZ SAYS THE FBI DID
NOT PLANT UNDERCOVER AGENTS OR
INFORMANTS AND CIDER MAKE
EFFORTS TO BUT THEM AND SAID
THEY TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
TOWN HALL SAID THIS.
WE DEBATING DISTINCTIONS WITHOUT
DIFFERENCES.
THEY SENT PEOPLE TO GLEAN
INFORMATION FROM THOSE WHO WERE
WITHIN A TRUMP CAMPAIGN WITHOUT
THEM KNOWING THEY WERE WORKING
WITH THE FBI.
COURTS HAVE NO MEANING IF YOU
BELIEVE ANY OF THIS DRIBBLE.
>> WORDS HAVE A LOT OF MEANING
HERE.
WHAT THIS MEANS IS IF THERE WAS
LAWFUL SURVEILLANCE BASED ON
LAWFUL PREDICATION.
IT WAS AN INCENDIARY AND
SURPRISING CHARGE IF THERE IS
ACTUALLY BEEN PEOPLE INSERTED
INTO THE CAMPAIGN.
THAT WOULD'VE FELT LIKE HOOVER.
BUT THEY DID THE ABSENCE OF THAT
IS WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
THEY PREDICATION AND THEN OF
COURSE THEY FOLLOW IT THROUGH.
A HUGE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN
ACTING LAWFULLY AND ACTING
UNLAWFULLY.
>> Shannon: FOR NOW IT
SPECULATION BECAUSE IT'S BASED
ON A LEAKER WHO IS SEEN IN THE
DRAFT.
THERE ARE THOSE WHO THINK VERY
DIFFERENTLY ABOUT HOW WE HAVE
SEEN IMPEACHMENT PLAY OUT ON THE
HILL.
SOME THANKS DOMINIC THINK IT'S A
SLAM-DUNK, DEPENDING ON WHERE
YOU'RE COMING FROM.
"AS TO IMPEACHMENT THE CASE HAS
BEEN SO CLEARLY MADE YOU WONDER,
WHAT THE SENATE WILL BE LEFT TO
WIN?
HOW THEY HOLD A LENGTHY TRIAL
WITH A CASE CLEAR?"
>> IN MANY WAYS THE DEMOCRATS
ARE LIKE THE DOG CHASING THE CAR
AND THEY FOUND IT AND THEY DON'T
KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
WHAT IS THE DEMOCRATS -- WHAT
ARE THEY ACHIEVING?
THERE IS CLOSE TO NO LIKELIHOOD
THAT 20 REPUBLICAN SENATORS WILL
VOTE TO REMOVE DONALD TRUMP
UNLESS SOMETHING COMPLETELY
STARTLING WERE TO COME UP IN THE
NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
DO NOT QUENCH OR REMOVE TRUMP
AND BASED ON ALL THE POLLING,
FOR NOT ACHIEVING THEIR
POLITICAL OBJECTIVES
THEY'RE NOT CONVINCING PEOPLE TO
VOTE AGAINST TRUMP, COULD NOT
CONVINCE PEOPLE TO BACK
IMPEACHMENT SO WHAT ARE THE
DEMOCRATS ACTUALLY DOING HERE?
I THINK THEY WANTED TO IMPEACH
DONALD TRUMP SINCE THE DAY HE
WAS ELECTED AND THEY'RE THERE
NOW AND IT'S JUST NOT WORKING
FOR THEM.
>> Shannon: NEW GINGRICH WHO
IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH HIS WHOLE
SCENARIO SAYS THIS ABOUT HOW
DEMOCRATS HAVE HANDLED THIS >>
WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS TOTALLY
ONE-SIDED AND I THINK IT
VIRTUALLY GUARANTEES THAT NO
REPUBLICAN AND THE HOUSE OR THE
SENATE IS GOING TO GO TO IMPEAC
IMPEACH.
>> Shannon: DO THEY RUN THE
RISK OF PEOPLE SEEING THIS AS A
PARTISAN EXERCISE?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
IT IS DEEPLY WRONGHEADED TO TALK
ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF THE 30
PEOPLE AND WHAT THE POLITICS
ARE.
AS PEGGY NOONAN HAS SAID, THIS
CAR THE DEMOCRATS HAVE CAUGHT,
IT'S A SOLIDLY CONSTRUCTED CAR
BASED ON FACTS.
IF YOU HAVE MANY REPUBLICANS
SAYING IT'S NOT A CAR, IT'S A
BICYCLE.
THERE IS SOME REASON TO NOT
ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACTS.
THE IMPORTANT THING IS FOR THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE TO SEE THE FACTS
AND BE ABLE TO JUDGE.
I THINK IS WRONGHEADED TO THINK
OF THIS ONLY A POLITICAL
PARTISAN TERMS.
IN TERMS OF NEWT GINGRICH,
THAT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND.
I THINK FROM THE START THE
REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE
INVOLVED HERE THAN IN CLINTON
WHERE THEY RECEIVED A COMPLETE
PRODUCT WHERE CLINTON SIDE HAD
NO PARTICIPATION.
THAT WAS ONLY IN THE SENATE.
HERE HE'S OFFERED THE CHANCE TO
PARTICIPATE.
>> Shannon: THEY WOULD ARGUE
NO, BUT IT GOES TO THE SENATE
THAT IT COULD BE A DIFFERENT
BALL GAME.