BE TO SANCTIONS, THE TREATMENT
OF THOSE ON THE HONG KONG.
THEY HAVE THREATENED A FIRM
RESPONSE.
SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO
WAS WITH ME NOW.
GOOD AFTERNOON TO YOU, AND
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME BEING
HERE TODAY.
>> Secretary Pompeo:
THANK YOU, BILL.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON YOUR
SHOW.
>> Bill: YOU JUST LAUNCHED A
COMMISSION ON ON ANY LEVEL
RIGHTS.
WHY IS THIS NECESSARY?
>> Secretary Pompeo: WELL, YOU
WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT CHINA.
THE RIGHTS THAT WE HAVE, THE
DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE,
FOREST.
CENTRAL TO AMERICAN FOREIGN
POLICY.
WE HAVE TO GET THAT RIGHT.
WE HAVE THIS DEEP TRADITION.
IT IS UNDER ATTACK.
YOU SEE IT WITH PEOPLE WHO JUST
HATE AMERICA.
WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO OUR
CENTRAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHY
LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT
OF HAPPINESS THAT OUR FOUNDERS
LAID OUT, PUSHING BACK AGAINST
AUTHORITARIAN REGIMES LIKE
CHINA.
WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT HERE AT
HOME FIRST.
>> Bill: HUMAN RIGHTS ADVOCACY
HAS LOST ITS BEARINGS AND BECOME
MORE OF AN INDUSTRY THAN A MORAL
COMPASS.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
>> Secretary Pompeo: YEAH.
I THINK THAT’S RIGHT.
THE COMMISSION TO REGROUND
AMERICA.
WE HAVE THIS RICH TRADITION.
PEOPLE KNOW IT, BILL.
THEY KNOW IT IN THEIR HEARTS.
THIS IDEA, THESE RIGHTS THAT ARE
GIVEN SHE WAS BY GOD.
THE GOVERNMENT WAS DESIGNED TO
SECURE THEM, AND WE NEED TO
REMIND OURSELVES OF THAT.
THOSE UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, AND
ALL THOSE ON OTHER THINGS.
WHEN WE STRAY FROM IT, WHEN WE
DEMAND THAT OTHER NATIONS STOP
THE HORRIBLE GROWTH HUMAN RIGHTS
VIOLATIONS.
>> Bill: YOU POINT OUT IN THE
PIECE, ELEANOR ROOSEVELT STARTED
THIS IN 1947.
WHAT HAS CHANGED?
>> Secretary Pompeo: YOU KNOW,
IN SOME WAYS, WE ARE JUST GOING
BACK TO THOSE FIRST PRINCIPLES,
BUT WHAT HAS CHANGED IS A PHRASE
THAT LINCOLN HAD, WHICH IS THE
ARTILLERY TIME HAS DIMINISHED
OUR ABILITY TO THINK ABOUT THIS
AND REMIND OURSELVES ABOUT HOW
CENTRAL THIS IS TO WHO WE ARE AS
AMERICANS.
WE ARE AN EXCEPTIONAL NATION.
WE NEED TO SECURE THOSE FREEDOMS
FOR ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE.
WE CONDUCT AN EFFECTIVE FOREIGN
POLICY.
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DEMONSTRATED
THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
>> Bill: I HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST
OF THINGS.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU THOUGHT THIS
WAY?
>> Secretary Pompeo: A LONG
TIME, BILL.
SINCE I WAS A YOUNG SOLDIER, A
CUT OUT, TOO MANY YEARS AGO.
I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THINKING
ABOUT HOW IT IS THAT WE PROTECT
THOSE FREEDOMS THAT ARE
ESSENTIAL TO OUR AMERICANNESS AS
A UNIQUE AND EXCEPTIONAL NATION.
WHEN I BECAME THE SECRETARY OF
STATE, I THOUGHT THAT OUR
DEPARTMENT WAS NOT THINKING
ABOUT THIS IN A WAY THAT WAS
CONSISTENT, AND I WANTED TO
REGROUND OURSELVES AND THESE
IMPORTANT UNDERSTANDINGS ABOUT
THOSE UNALIENABLE RIGHTS.
>> Bill: LET’S GO TO IT NOW.
CHINA, YOU SAID YESTERDAY, THAT
THE WORLD WILL HOLD CHINA
ACCOUNTABLE.
HOW?
>> Secretary Pompeo: I CAN SEE
IT HAPPENING ALREADY.
I CAN SEE NATIONS WHO ARE DOING
BUSINESS IN CHINA WHO ARE
RETHINKING HOW TO DO THAT.
IF YOU ARE BUYING PRODUCTS THAT
ARE A RESULT OF SLAVE LABOR THAT
IS HAPPENING IN THE WESTERN PART
OF CHINA. IF YOU ARE A COUNTRY THAT HAS
IF YOU ARE A COUNTRY THAT HAS
BEEN TO THE BENT THE KNEE, I CAN
COUNTRIES REASSERTING THEIR
CLAIMS, THEIR SOVEREIGNTY.
AND OF COURSE PRESIDENT TRUMP
HAS DONE THAT HERE TOO.
THIS ISN’T PARTISAN, BILL.
WE HAVE HAD AN MINISTRATIONS
THAT JUST LOOKS THE OTHER WAY
AND LET CHINA TRAMPLE S.
PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID NO MORE.
WE WILL HAVE FAIR TRADE
RELATIONSHIPS.
THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY WILL
TREAT US THE SAME WAY THAT WE
DO.
HE IS GOING TO DEMAND THAT IT
HAPPENS.
AND OF COURSE NOW TOO, WE HAVE
SEEN THE VIRUS.
IT STARTED IN WUHAN, CHINA.
TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS OF
DOLLARS, AND I BELIEVE THE WORLD
IS GOING TO UNITE TO HOLD THE
CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY
ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY COULD HAVE
PREVENTED SO MUCH OF THIS
TRAGEDY.
>> Bill: NAME A FEW COUNTRIES
WHO ALREADY HAVE.
>> Secretary Pompeo: THE
EUROPEANS, YOU SAW THE
UNITED KINGDOM YESTERDAY, NOT
GOING TO ALLOW CHINESE
TECHNOLOGY IN THEIR SYSTEM.
THE AUSTRALIANS, THE JAPANESE
HAVE APPLAUDED THE DECISION THAT
WE MADE ABOUT THE SOUTH
CHINA SEA.
NOT ONLY IN SOUTHEAST CHINA, BUT
THEY HAVE, MORE BROADLY TO
UNDERSTAND THE THREAT THAT THE
CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY
REPRESENTS.
THEY SLEPT ON THIS TOO LONG, AND
I THINK THEY’RE COMING TO A
JOINT CONCLUSION THAT IT IS TIME
FOR THE WORLD TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE GET THIS RIGHT FOR DEMOCRACY
AND FREEDOM LOVING PEOPLE AROUND
THE WORLD, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT
WE PUSH BACK AGAINST THE
CHALLENGES THAT THE CHINESE
COMMUNIST PARTY PRESENTED TO US
ALL.
>> Bill: THERE COULD BE BANNED
FOR A U.S. PARTY MEMBERS AND
THEIR FAMILY.
WILL YOU CONFIRM THAT?
>> Secretary Pompeo: BILL, WE
ARE WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH
UNDER THE PRESIDENT’S GUIDANCE.
THINKING ABOUT PUSHING BACK
AGAINST THE CHINESE COMMUNIST
PARTY.
WE SEE IT IN THE ECONOMIC
ACTIVITY.
>> Bill: SO, IS THE TRAVEL BAN
POSSIBLE, THEN?
>> Secretary Pompeo: WE ARE
LOOKING INTO THE RIGHT WAY TO
THINK ABOUT THIS.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO IT IN
A WAY THAT REFLECTS AMERICAN
TRADITIONS.
THERE ARE LOTS OF IDEAS THAT ARE
UNDER REVIEW.
>> Bill: THIS IS ONE OF THEM.
>> Secretary Pompeo: BILL, I
DON’T COMMENT ON THINGS THAT WE
ARE WORKING ON.
I PREFER TO LET THAT TEAMWORK,
AND WHEN WE ARE PREPARED TO
PRESENTED, WE WILL LET HIM MAKE
THE ULTIMATE DECISION.
>> Bill: WE HAD A SCIENTIST ON
THE OTHER DAY FROM HONG KONG.
SHE SAID SHE FEARS FOR HER LIFE.
SHE CLAIMS THAT HUMAN TO HUMAN
TRANSITION OCCURRED THREE WEEKS
BEFORE THE CHINESE COP TO IT.
IS SHE RIGHT ON THAT?
>> Secretary Pompeo: I DIDN’T
SEE HER REMARKS, BUT THEY WERE
AWARE OF HUMAN TO HUMAN
TRANSITION BEFORE THEY SHARE
THIS WITH THE WORLD, AND THAT
THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION
ITSELF WAS CO-OPTED INTO THE
SAME EFFORT TO DENY THE WEALTH
OF KNOWLEDGE NEEDED TO RESPOND
TO THIS THREAT FROM THE VIRUS
THAT EMANATED FROM WUHAN, CHINA.
>> Bill: YOU MENTIONED THE
U.K. A MOMENT AGO.
WITH REGARD TO RUSSIA, LONDON IS
TAKING ACTION.
THEY BELIEVE THE INTELLIGENCE
SERVICES OUT OF MOSCOW I HAVE
CONDUCTED VACCINE CYBER ATTACKS.
THERE ARE SOME SUGGESTIONS THEY
HAVE DONE THE SAME AGAINST US
HERE IN THE U.S.
HOW’S MOSCOW HARMED OUR ABILITY
OR INTERCEPTED OUR ABILITY TO
DEVELOP AN EFFECTIVE VACCINE?
>> Secretary Pompeo: I THINK
YOUR INSTITUTIONS ARE QUITE
CAPABLE OF MOVING ON THIS
PROJECT.
I DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE
PARTICULAR SUBJECT, BUT I
COMMENTED WEEKS AGO ABOUT
CHINESE ACTIVITY TO DO THE SAME,
TO STEAL THE INTELLECTUAL
PROPERTY FROM COMPANIES THAT ARE
INVESTING IN ENORMOUS RESOURCES
AND TRYING TO FIND A VACCINE TO
SAVE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF
LIVES.
I REGRET THAT OTHER COUNTRIES,
INSTEAD OF WORKING ON THE
PROJECT AND USING THEIR BEST
MINDS, ARE TRYING TO STEAL IT
FROM WESTERN DEMOCRACIES WHO ARE
MAKING REAL PROGRESS.
>> Bill: JUST TO BE CLEAR,
HAVE THESE RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE
SERVICES, HAVE THEY BEEN
SUCCESSFUL?
>> Secretary Pompeo: I DON’T
WANT TO COMMENT ON THE
INTELLIGENCE, BILL.
>> Bill: ALL RIGHT, WE WILL
LEAVE THAT THERE.
YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED A LOT --
WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING THE LAST
TWO WEEKS?
I KNOW YOU WILL NOT TELL US WHO
IT IS, AND I WON’T EVEN ASK
THAT.
CAN YOU GIVE US A SUGGESTION
TODAY AS TO WHAT YOUR THEORY IS
AS TO WHY THIS IS HAPPENING?
>> Secretary Pompeo: NO, BILL.
I DON’T WANT TO SPECULATE.
WE WILL LET OUR INTELLIGENCE
TEAMS DO THEIR WORK AND COME TO
THEIR CONCLUSIONS.
WITH RESPECT TO IRAN, HOW THIS
ALL CAME TO BE, VERY CLEAR
POLICY UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE
RESOURCES FOR IRAN TO BE THE
LARGEST SPONSOR OF TERROR.
THEY WILL CONCLUDE THAT THEY
WANT TO BE A NORMAL NATION.
HE HAS TASKED THEM TO DO THIS,
AND WE ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO
ACHIEVE THAT.
>> Bill: HOW FAR BACK IS THAT
PROGRAM SET?
>> Secretary Pompeo: THE
IRANIAN NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM
GOES BACK MANY, MANY YEARS.
IT EXTENDED THROUGH AT LEAST
2003, AND THEIR NUCLEAR PROGRAM,
COURTS, ENRICHING URANIUM,
CONTINUES TO THIS DAY.
>> Bill: BUT WITH THE FIRES,
HAS THAT PUT THAT PROGRAM BACK
ON ITS HEELS?
WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE IT THAT
WAY?
>> Secretary Pompeo: I DON’T
KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BILL.
>> Secretary Pompeo: TO MORE
QUESTIONS.
NORTH KOREA, YOU SAW THAT THERE
WERE NO PLANS FOR A SUMMIT
BEFORE THE ELECTION.
HAS PYONGYANG SUGGESTED THAT
THEY WANT TO TALK AGAIN?
>> Secretary Pompeo: THERE ARE
QUESTIONS THAT TAKE PLACE.
WE DON’T TALK ABOUT THEM
PUBLICLY VERY OFTEN.
WHAT I SAID WAS WE ARE NOT GOING
TO HAVE A SUMMIT.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO BRING
CHAIRMAN KIM AND PRESIDENT TRUMP
TOGETHER UNLESS THERE IS
SOMETHING THAT WE CAN
ACCOMPLISH.
IF THAT WAS THE CASE, IF WE GOT
TO A PLACE WHERE WE COULD MAKE A
SIGNIFICANT STEP ALONG THE WAY
OF DENUCLEARIZING NORTH KOREA,
FIND A WAY TO BRING THE LEADERS
TOGETHER, BUT WE HAVE A MATTER
OF MONTHS BETWEEN NOW AND THE
ELECTION, AND I HAVE NOT SEEN
EVIDENCE YET THAT WE CAN.
I HOPE I’M WRONG.
I HOPE WE GET THE CHANCE TO DO
THAT, BUT I DON’T EXPECT THAT WE
WILL.
>> Bill: THERE IS AN ELECTION
IN 110 DAYS.
THERE HAS BEEN A CALL TO BRING
MORE TROOPS HOME FROM OVERSEAS.
GERMANY AS WELL.
TALKING ABOUT SOUTH KOREA.
HOW WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THE TRUMP
DOCTRINE TO MILLIONS OF
AMERICANS LESS THAN FOUR MONTHS
AWAY FROM THE ELECTION?
>> Secretary Pompeo: THAT’S A
LITTLE TRICKY, BUT I CAN SAY
THIS MUCH.
IT BEGINS WITH A DEEP
UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR FIRST
OBLIGATION IS TO PROTECT
AMERICANS.
SO WHETHER THAT IS AFGHANISTAN
OR SYRIA OR OTHER PLACES WHERE
WE ARE ENGAGED WITH IMPORTANT
AMERICAN INTEREST, WE CAN ASK
OTHERS TO ASSIST, STILL PROTECT
AMERICANS AND REDUCE THE RISK TO
YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE
BEING PUT IN HARM’S WAY TO HELP
US FIGHT CONFLICTS, WE ARE GOING
TO DO THAT, SO AFGHANISTAN IS A
GOOD EXAMPLE.
WE ARE WELL ON OUR WAY TO
ACHIEVING A SIGNIFICANT
REDUCTION OF TROOPS IN
AFGHANISTAN, AND WE ARE HOPING
THAT WE WILL GET THE PEACE AND
RECONCILIATION NEGOTIATIONS
GOING IN THE NEXT HANDFUL OF
WEEKS.
WE WILL HAVE OUR YOUNG BOYS AND
GIRLS ALL HOME, AND WE WILL
SECURE SECURITY FOR THE AMERICAN
HOMELAND AS WELL.
THIS HAS BEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP’S
MISSION.
THE WAY THAT HE THINKS ABOUT
KEEPING AMERICA SAFE.
>> Bill: I THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME TODAY, AND SIR, I THINK YOU
COME BACK.
WE APPRECIATE YOU FROM