You might recognize my next guest as The Locator
and also a relationship expert, bringing families together.
I wanna add to the conversation, a good friend of mine.
Please welcome Troy Dunn.
(audience clapping) Troy, come up and join us.
Troy, how are you sir?
I'm blessed, friend.
There's been apparently a lot of tension
between these two about Jorell leaving the church.
That's not made you happy, right?
No, it's not a big issue for me,
despite what they're saying.
I'm the only one who is out of it by the way.
You're a member of the church, correct?
So, yes.
As you know, I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter Day Saints.
I've been a member for 40 years,
I'm not an official spokesperson for the church.
I understand.
Nor do I play one on TV.
But I can't help but listen to a lot of this
and I don't know that necessarily the church itself
is really the issue between the three of you.
But I would say to both of you,
I see some inconsistencies.
Are you an active member of the church?
Oh yeah, definitely. Would you classify
yourself active?
Oh, sure.
So, you grew up in the church?
I grew up, yeah.
So, there's a few principles in the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter Day Saints that are completely contrary
to the things that I hear.
And I'm not here to attack you,
but I also feel like you live
in a different reality than I do inside that faith system.
And I thought maybe I would just remind you of a couple
of things that might also bring some peace to you
because I sense that your bitterness
and your frustration isn't necessarily about the church.
It's how desperately he's trying to make you
come back into it. Absolutely.
I have a lot of LDS member friends.
So, I have eight children.
28 down to six and seven of them are active members
in the church and one is not, very not.
Love her just the same.
Never discuss the church with her.
That's just her personal decision.
So, one of the principles in the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints,
and I know you can finish some of these sentences
for me, I believe, is that we believe in agency.
Right?
Of course, but that's not something that I'm denying him
or pushing on him.
So, the concept of agency, I'm not doing any of that.
the concept of agency for those who aren't familiar
with it is that we believe,
and we believe that from the beginning of time that
everybody has an opportunity in their life
to choose their own path, period.
That's it, there is no but, right?
So, I don't know what the definition of
choose your own path is.
I would think that probably falls short of abduction,
but that's your interpretation.
There's a second rule and I'll let you finish the sentence,
right, it's one of the things we're taught
about how to parent our children.
Which is that we teach them correct principles
and then...
Let them govern themselves.
Let them govern thierselves.
The third thing that I thought you would be interested
in being reminded of, so we have a book of scripture
that's called the doctrine and covenants
and there's a section in there that talks about
unrighteous dominion, that you force your will
upon somebody else. Sure, sure.
I'm not doing that but you go make that claim.
I'm not making the claim.
I'm asking you-- Well somebody is.
You are doing it.
Since we've left the church, You've done it ever since
you have. I left.
You discredit our relationship with God,
that we feel that we have when we express to you,
oh it's 100% true.
Quit, why are you even here?
If you're gonna lie and not take accountability
and continue to spin and deny,
then we're never gonna be able to move forward.
(audience clapping)
You're saying that it's not an issue with you.
Correct.
My son grew up in the church.
He was a member.
He fell away from the church.
Now, ideally, I would say, ya know,
in a perfect world, that's not such a good thing
and gosh, that's very frustrating.
However, he's an adult.
He can make these choices.
I'm not driving him.
Despite what they're saying.
I'm not coming after him.
I'm not trying to get him to come back
to the church and say hey,
you've gotta go get in the church or else.
This characterization is just not fair.
It's not accurate at all.
I do believe in my heart that you love your son.
And I'm curious how you feel about your dad.
I love my dad.
We've had so many, You do love your Dad.
I mean, I had good spiritual experiences growing up.
I'm not trying to knock the church at all.
I just think that he obsesses about getting
the black sheep back into the fold
so much so that I mean, it caused problems
in our relationship because my Dad would call
for hours and show me all this new information that he found
online and check this out.
So, would be believers,
you can't drag anybody into Heaven.
It's gotta be a voluntary walk you make yourself, right?
Right?
That's kind of a concept we believe.
It's a volunteer program. I don't even know why
we're talking about this,
to be honest with you.
I'm not sure either because I feel like--
Reason I say this is because this picture
they're painting is just not accurate.