I believe it was about a decade ago might have been a little longer I was so
wine someplace I was walking through an airport bookstore and they're on the
table
love the books right by the checkout counter was a copy a bar honecker's book
october surprise at that always looks interesting I picked up and I read on
the airplane
and it just totally blew my mind and
so I want to get barbara back on to discuss that
are you still with us I sure haven't operate
are I wanna play for you first something that was not available at the time he
wrote this book
the lyndon johnson library just
a a few years ago I think was three years ago released a whole series of
White House tapes
and with very little fanfare and to the best my knowledge the mainstream media
team pick up on this
I did and I discovered that
the LBJ in the summer of 1968
as was the nixon home free election
in the summer 1968 he had actually negotiated peace
between South Sydney's north vietnamese America and was going to announce it in
September which would help help hubert humphrey course win the election
the nixon campaign found out about it and %ah to their new mexico
base their their operation they sabotaged by going to madame to insane
will not only give you a better deal will make you rich and
here's a 30 second clip lyndon johnson talking with Everitt dirksen
the that most powerful Republican in the United States Senate and probably when I
was high integrity republicans that this country is
produced in my lifetime on talkin about this here it is
here writers greatest care information I got
the region shares at their shoes yes great just got better bastard New Mexico
do pat me share too much power out grabbed her arm and a rap career action
going all 428 saying to our Matt Prior
yeah were pretty well and Carmen are more of a hammock
back I'm reading and never got on track to get this and the campaign
Greg than they are to be done SSS creation
I don't ever torsten I know
so lyndon johnson it so
hubert humphrey lost election richard nixon cuz richard nixon committed
treason by blowing up a peace deal
and then you documented in your book cover surprise how
something very sorry that happened during the reagan campaign against jimmy
carter
and I come back and have you describe that and then
a course tertiary Bush was selected by the supreme court so I asked this
question a Jimmy Carter day before yesterday
on No this program yeah they're cute up
here here it is about 3 three or four years ago the LBJ library released
tapes have LBJ working with whatever direction trying to stop
the nixon campaign and 68 from blocking LBJ's peace deal with South Vietnam
they were not successful and dirksen called what nixon did
treason and that both states are now available present body solders said that
something similar happened to you during the reagan campaign
and George W Bush was only president because the intervention the US Supreme
Court something you've commented on the past
I'm wondering in you know have we had a legitimately elected Republican
president since Dwight Eisenhower
well I think so I would want a car or comment on that free
free growth buddy I think we've had a legitimate elected president
I don't like that George W Bush won the election
are in 2002 I guess I'll go because I think it he
probably lost for and also that nationwide
but you know that when the supreme court rules in our country
are that's what we have to accept it
person what happened in nineteen eighty well
first let me just say that the the treason
a by the nixon administration a
to a scuttle the peace deal avail BJ
a is actually in my book in the early part of my book
I the point that the identical individual
in both cases Richard v alan was
the inner with what are the intermediaries major intermediaries in
both
treason I'm going to go back and read your book it's been 10 years I'm sorry
that is never yeah up but but of course I'd I didn't have the tape in the Caped
Crusader doesn't it
yes I I would like to also see
President Carter's comment my understanding and and you should check
this time
my understanding is that in cases the contestants presidential election that
the Constitution is clear that the House of Representatives
makes the decision of the Supreme Court yes you're correct
if that is if that is correct I think the president carter's just it correct
in a statement that
in that case that the Supreme Court as decision should have ruled
al gore clearly won the election we know that there was a consortium was
the New York Times Washington Post Media Consortium I
get a recap to the ballots in Florida and unfortunately that was after the
attacks of 9/11
and so the news didn't yes too much play at the time but it was clear that it's
that a in almost every except for one exception al gore won the Florida
election there for the general election in 2000 I'm so weak we did not have a
legitimate president
I expected jimmy carter president carter to say this year's election was
legitimate
the first time in its course it was I'm but in any case ok he was there he was
not a republican
so no no no no but I think your question was that we had
legitimate presidency no I asked if there is a legitimately elected
Republican president although I didn't since Dwight Eisenhower
okay so I think your general question was what you write
think about the october surprise per se in nineteen eighty
yeah we have about two minutes if you just want to give our door in our
fill in our listeners on what happened yeah yeah well
I'm I got the october surprise is called October Surprise sets available on
Amazon
scale I'm the the bottom line is
that the 1980 reagan-bush campaign where I was at the very top
a I had information from the inside the campaign which I detail in the early
chapters have my book
that the reagan bush campaign in nineteen eighty had cut a secret deal
with the
radical fundamentalist but many regime in Iran should too lazy releases are
fifty-two hostages
more than being held against their will in Girardi
something even present throughout right then scattered by that time throughout
Iran
and that the republicans didn't want that hostages to come home to cart
right because party would have won the election kept so
we had done very detailed polling and we had learned that if
hostages came home anytime between the 18th October the 25th of October
1980 to cart it wouldn't make it would lose so
and precisely the 18th October 18th and 19th of October
South empirical reagan-bush campaign including
fans like that candidate York HW Bush
Cup and William Kate eqpt I directed
get which be had top spot me
representative to cut it treatment field with that very
like yielded yeah if what you're doin right
its its absolutely mark Epsom
Barbara honecker october's prize he also was going to but Tom Hartman program
call 866 987 thon are representing I can do to help you get this book back in
print commissure
ok thank you okay the talking thank you
in a will be back