let's welcome to the show maryland
congressman dr andy harris doctor it's
great to see you
there's a major war of words between dr
fauci and senator rand paul dr fauci
says that rand paul
the senator was completely out of line
slanderous accusing him of lying under
oath where
did senator paul sent a criminal
referral to the doj about this
where do you come down on it well i
simply don't understand how dr fauci
could have denied that the example that
dr paul gave him in that hearing was in
fact gain of function
dr fauci is on record clearly supporting
gain of function research
and you know moving the goal post by
changing the definition of what you
consider gain of function is not fair
the bottom line is that gain of function
research was being done at wuhan we know
that from whistleblowers we know that dr
fauci has supported gain of function in
the past
and dr paul only wanted to know if the
support of nih
uh through eco health if it was
significant a significant source of
funding for gain of function research
regarding the covet 19 virus
yeah he dr fauci testified in may of
this year
that there was no u.s funding of gain of
function research at the wuhan lab
the top scientists said in an article
yeah there was you know
here's the issue isn't dr thatcher
responsible for
oversight of how china uses u.s tax
dollars and u.s technology in this
research
i mean this is lethal research it
requires extraordinary herbicide doctor
i want you to listen to this sound
of dr fauci in 2013 he's playing with
fire
he says you can't be too restrictive
with scientists doing this
lethal work you've got to let scientists
get creative
might may have good things come out of
it watch this
you have to have some
restrictions in the sense of you don't
do
work that could actually hurt
people in the sense of if you have a
laboratory accident you have to have the
right containment
once you start being too restrictive
you then impede creativity
for so many of the good things that
could come out of the same type of work
this is the same person who said
benefits outweigh the risks right
we're talking about four million people
dead six hundred 000 here in the us
what about lab lab accidents and leaks
that have been going on for generations
what about china's bio weapons program
this sounds pretty reckless what do you
say
that's absolutely right i think dr
fauci's being very naive here because
you know in a perfect world maybe we
could have scientists do this kind of
research but we don't live in a perfect
world we live in a world where the
communist chinese party runs a
the wuhan institute of virology where
there's evidence that they have in fact
genetically engineered gain of function
into respiratory viruses
probably in in contradiction to the
geneva convention
and it's just naive to believe that we
don't have to have a very frank
discussion about what was going on in
the wuhan lab
because i tell people covet 19 is
already out of the bag the problem is
the next virus that the chinese are
engineering
yeah here's the thing you know he dr
patch has a lot of power that's what
senator rand paul is saying
he oversees tens of billions of dollars
in grant money to scientists
who are afraid of dr fauci senator rand
paul says they don't want to lose that
funding
here's the thing when you know the obama
administration stopped this research in
2014
and then it restarted in 2017 what were
the guard rails put in place
you have to have extraordinary oversight
we're outsourcing and exporting u.s
virus
technology to china at the wuhan lab
the wuhan wuhan is a center the
epicenter
of this pandemic who signed off on
china's safeguards here
look i don't know but the world is going
to have to have a very frank discussion
about whether we should
outlaw gain a function research for any
virus that could become a pandemic virus