DAVID: WERE FRAUDS AND
BREAKING NEWS IN TEXAS.
THAT IS WHERE A SUSPECT IS
REPORTEDLY TAKEN SOME PEOPLE
HOSTAGE INSIDE A SYNAGOGUE
INCLUDING THE RABBI.
THIS HAPPENING DURING
SERVICES.
THIS IS IN THE CITY IT IS
ABOUT 30 MILES NORTHWEST OF
DALLAS.
FOX AFFILIATE THEIR FAQS FOR
DALLAS SWAT TEAMS ARE ON THE
SCENE.
HAPPENING AT THE CONGREGATION
SYNAGOGUE.
THE POLICE ARE ASKING NEARBY
RESIDENTS TO EVACUATE THE
AREA.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FIRST
TWEETED ABOUT THIS AT
11:00 A.M. CENTRAL TIME.
THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF SAFETY
SAID THE FBI IN STATE TROOPERS
ARE ALSO THERE PRINT THIS
OCCURRING AT THE CONGREGATION
ISRAEL’S SYNAGOGUE THE LATEST
POTENTIAL SITUATION AT A
SYNAGOGUE IN OUR COUNTRY.
THE REPORT OF A RABBI BEING
HELD HOSTAGE AS WELL AS OTHERS
BY AN UNKNOWN SUSPECT.
WE ARE TOLD THE HOSTAGE
NEGOTIATORS ARE IN CONTACT
WITH THAT SUSPECT, THANKFULLY
NO INJURIES OF ANY SORT
REPORTED AT THIS TIME BUT OF
COURSE THE DEVELOPMENT STILL
COMING INTO OUR NEWSROOM WE
WILL BRING YOU THE LATEST AS
WE GET THEM, ARTHEL HAS SOME
MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS
UNFOLDING SITUATION RIGHT
NOW.
ARTHEL: WHAT I WANT TO DO IS
BRING IN DANNY COLSON.
HE IS ON THE PHONE’S FORMER
FBI DEPUTY ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.
FBI HOSTAGE RESCUE TEAM
COMMANDER.
WE WANT TO TALK TO DANNY BASED
ON WHAT I AM READING HERE.
IT IS A ONE MAN HE IS HOLDING
PEOPLE NOT SURE HOW MANY
PEOPLE.
IT SAYS THE ANGRY MAN COULD BE
HEARD RANTING.
THERE IS A LIVE STREAM OF THIS
CHURCH SERVICE HERE AT THE
SYNAGOGUE.
TALKING ABOUT RELIGION.
TAKE IT AWAY, WHAT CAN YOU
GLEAN FROM THE LITTLE
INFORMATION WE HAVE?
>> I’M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE
SYNAGOGUE.
I’VE ACTUALLY GIVEN LECTURES
THERE.
I COMMANDED THE FBI DIVISION
IN DALLAS I AM FAMILY WITH THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT ALL THE
TACTICAL UNITS ASSOCIATED WITH
THIS.
IT IS FORTUNATE DID NOT START
OUT AS AN ACTIVE SHOOTER WHEN
THEY START KILLING PEOPLE.
RIGHT NOW HE’S VENTING.
SO THE POLICE COMMANDERS THAT
WILL RUN THIS THING ARE
RUNNING IT NOW.
THEY’VE GOT ONE ADVANTAGE
THERE THEY ISOLATE, CONTAIN
AND IT’S AN EMERGENCY RESCUE.
IN ALL THE THINGS I JUST SAID
YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE IT.
I FEEL THEY CERTAINLY WILL BE
AVAILABLE THERE TO MITIGATE
ANY OF THE VIOLENCE VERY.
>> OF COURSE WE ALL HOPE FOR
THAT OUTCOME THAT YOU ARE
PAINTING THE PICTURE FOR US
THERE, DANNY, I DO ASK YOU
WHILE THE SWAT TEAM
NEGOTIATORS ARE TALKING TO
THIS GUY WHO THINK THEY’RE
GOING TO TRY TO ISOLATE HIM,
WHAT ARE THEY SAYING TO THEM
AND WHAT IS THEIR BACKUP PLAN
IN THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE NO
ONE GETS HURT?
>> WE DO NOT KNOW THAT.
I’M NOT SO SURE WITH THE
LAYOUT IS IN THERE.
WHAT THEY WILL DO IS THEY WILL
TRY TO GRADUALLY DECREASE THE
PERMIT OR INCREASE THE
PERIMETER SO HE HAS LESS AND
LESS MOVEMENT.
THEY’LL HAVE HOSTAGE
NEGOTIATORS AND DALLAS IN THE
FBI AND I GUARANTEE THE
HOSTAGE DIVISION AT QUANTICO
IS CALLED INTO THIS.
THEY ARE MONITORING THE
NEGOTIATIONS THEY WILL ADVISE
TO THE NEGOTIATORS WHAT TO SAY
WHAT NOT TO STAY.
CERTAIN THINGS YOU WANT TO BE
VERY CAREFUL WITH, YOU DON’T
HAVE TO RETHINK >> BREAD WITH
THEY ARE TRYING TO DO RIGHT
NOW IS SLOW IT DOWN GOING TO
LET THEM STATE HIS CASE AND
THEN GET THEM TO WALK OUT.
AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL
HAPPEN.
>> WHEN THEY ASK HIM IF HE HAS
A WEAPON?
>> NO.
NO.
HE MAY TELL THEM.
IT IS POSSIBLE IT MAY COME UP
IN THE CONVERSATION.
BUT RIGHT NOW AND I’M
NEGOTIATING SOME THEY SINGS
AND HOW THEY WORK.
YOU WANT TO LET THEM STATE HIS
PEACE.
YOU WANT TO FOCUS ON HIM AND
LISTEN TO NEGOTIATIONS AND LET
HIM VENT.
HE IS VENTING RIGHT NOW.
THAT IS A GOOD THING HE IS
TALKING HE IS NOT SHOOTING OR
STABBING THAT TO THE ADVANTAGE.
ARTHEL: WHAT IS THE TONE IN
SITUATION LIKE THIS, DANNY,
YOU WANT TO LET THIS SUSPECT,
THIS ANGRY MANHOOD BIG COULD
HEARD RANTING ON WHAT WAS A
LIVE STREAM THAT WAS POSTED ON
FACEBOOK, HE IS RANTING ABOUT
RELIGION.
WHAT IS THE TONE?
HOW DO YOU SPEAK TO HIM, LET
HIM VENT BEING PATIENT
EXERCISING PATIENCE BUT ALSO
NOT COMING ACROSS AS
CONDESCENDING.
BECAUSE THAT COULD TRIGGER
HIM.
>> IT COULD.
THESE GUYS DO THIS FOR A
LIVING.
YOU ARE A VERY ACCOMPLISHED
PROFESSIONAL.
WITH WHAT YOU DO THESE PEOPLE
ARE TOO WEAK THEY DO THIS MORE
OFTEN THAN WE EVEN KNOW.
THERE CALM THESE THINGS DOWN,
LET THE GUY SAY WHAT HE WANTS
AND WHAT CAN HE DO TO YOU?
ARE YOU OKAY WHAT CAN WE DO TO
HELP YOU?
MAKE IT A FRIENDSHIP TYPE
THING.
OFTEN TIMES IS AN INTERESTING
TYPE OF FRIENDSHIP ANOTHER
DIALOGUE.
THE SUBJECT WILL START TO ASK
FOR HELP FROM THE NEGOTIATOR.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU
WANT.
BUT YOU ALSO NOT BE VERY
CAREFUL BECAUSE HILLARY’S
CLINTON THERE ABOUT TWO HOURS
ON TV AND HE WAS LISTENING THE
WHOLE TIME.
MUST BE VERY CONSCIOUS ABOUT
THE NEGOTIATORS BUT ALSO YOU
AND I SAY TOGETHER.
>> ABSOLUTELY TOTALLY
UNDERSTAND THAT CERTAINLY
WOULD NOT WANT TO DO ANYTHING
PURPOSELY OR INADVERTENTLY TO
EXACERBATE THE SITUATION THERE.
GIVEN WHAT YOU HAVE SAID TO
US, DANNY, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE
MOST LIKELY THE PEOPLE ARE
BEING HELD HOSTAGE RIGHT NOW
THEY CAN AT THE VERY LEAST HIS
HEAR HIS END OF THE
CONVERSATION WITH POLICE.
DOES THAT GIVE THEM SOME SORT
OF PEACE AND CALM TO NOTE SWAT
TEAMS NEGOTIATING WITH HIM AND
PERHAPS THERE MAY BE SOME
PEACEFUL RESOLUTION TO THIS?
>> THAT IS A REALLY GOOD
OBSERVATION.
YES.
FROM SOME ACT OF VIOLENCE IT
IS GOOD TO KNOW THE COPS ARE
OUTSIDE.
IT’S GOOD TO KNOW THE POLICE
ARE THERE.
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN DEFUNDED SO
THEY ARE GOING TO SHOW UP.
I THINK IT’S VERY COMFORTING.
IF THAT WERE MY FAMILY I WOULD
FEEL MUCH BETTER THE POLICE
WERE ON SITE.
STATISTICS SAY IF THE POLICE
ARE THERE, THE VIOLENCE IS
GENERALLY MINIMAL.
IT’S NOT A PERFECT DEAL WHERE
YOU SAY WE ARE HERE WE WIN
AUTOMATICALLY.
MANY OF THE RIGHT PEOPLE
TALKING TO HIM.
THEY MAY END UP GETTING
SOMEONE WITH A JEWISH
BACKGROUND.
THEY MAY HAVE ANOTHER JEW IN
THERE NEGOTIATING WITH HIM AND
THAT MIGHT BE HELD TO OR NOT.
THEY WILL FIGURE THAT OUT AS
THEY GO.
I FEEL CONFIDENT THIS WILL END PEACEFULLY.
I AM OPTIMISTIC.
AND I THINK GIVEN THE
PROFESSIONALISM OF THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY IN THE
DALLAS AREA THIS SHOULD COME
OUT TO A PEACEFUL RESOLUTION
FOR A.
>> DEFINITELY BIG CITY WITH A
LOT OF EXPERIENCE THERE ON THE
GROUND.
I WANTED TO ASK HOW THE
NEGOTIATORS ARE TALKING TO
THIS GUY SAYING HEY, WE WANT
TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY
WHAT IS ON YOUR MIND AND THEY
REALLY MEAN THAT THEY REALLY
DO WANT TO HEAR THIS GUY HAD
TO SAY.
IT’S NOT A PLOY TO DISTRACT
HIM OR HOLD HIM, CONTAIN HIM
SOME WEIGHT SOMEHOW WILL THEY
TRY TO FREE THE HOSTAGES IN
SOME WAY.
THEY REALLY MEAN WHAT THEY ARE
TALKING TO THIS GUY ABOUT,
CORRECT?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
THEY TAKE THE STUFF VERY
SERIOUSLY BUT I AM AT THE
PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH
NEGOTIATORS MANY, MANY TIMES
IN MY CAREER.
AND MY POSITION WAS AT THE
NEGOTIATORS DO THEIR JOB I’LL
DO MY JOB.
THEY WANT THIS TO COME OUT
PEACEFULLY.
ONE THING TO REMEMBER ALL
LIVES HAVE VALUE.
EVEN THIS MAN’S LIFE HAS
VALUE.
THAT’S THE WAY THEY LOOK AT IT
TOO.
THE LOOK AT HIM AS A ANOTHER
HUMAN BEING.
THEY HAVE TO WORK TO SAVE
HIM.
BUT ALSO THEY HAVE TO HAVE A
BALANCING ACT SO THEY KEEP HIM
FROM HURTING SOMEONE ELSE
FOR.
>> YOU ARE SO RIGHT.
THIS GUY’S LIFE DOES MATTER.
WHAT HE HAS TO SAY DOES
MATTER.
HOW HE IS FEELING IT DOESN’T
MATTER.
WHY HE’S THERE IN THAT
POSITION DOES MATTER.
THAT IS WHAT THE NEGOTIATORS
ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT SO THIS
THING CAN END PEACEFULLY.
HE CAN BE OKAY AND THE PEOPLE
INSIDE THE SYNAGOGUE CAN BE
OKAY OKAY.
>> I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER,
SOMEPLACE HE HAS A FAMILY.
THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS WE
TALKED ABOUT IN SOME OF THE
OTHERS I’VE TALKED ABOUT IN
THE SITUATION, HILLARY
CLINTON’S CAMPAIGN OFFICE WE
TALKED ABOUT AND HE HEARD IT
LOOK, HE HAS A FAMILY THERE
THEY WANT TO GO HOME.
I THINK THAT’S IMPORTANT.
THAT’S A VERY IMPORTANT
CONSIDERATION TO LET THEM KNOW
HE IS CONNECTED.
HOPEFULLY CONNECT WITH THE
NEGOTIATOR I’VE SAID MY PIECE
NOW LET’S GO HOME DANNY THANK
YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR EXPERT
PERSPECTIVE THAT I HAVE YOU
BACK IN THE TOP OF THE HOUR.
>> WILL CAN CHANGE THAT
COVERING, ARTHEL, THE MAN
HOLDING WORSHIPERS AND A RABBI
HOSTAGE IN THE COLLEYVILLE,
TEXAS.
OUR REPORTS HE DOESN’T WANT
ANYONE HURT TALKED ABOUT HIS
FAMILY.
HE ASSIGNMENT HIS SISTER FOR
EXAMPLE AND HE MENTIONED HIS