Gurry: So the power of inclusiveness - now if we go back in the world, say thirty years,
we see that there was… there were many signs of opening; walls were coming down,
many initiatives were taken to open up the world, which I think brought many benefits.
If we look around the world now, there are many signs of closure - walls are being constructed,
there are many policy measures being taken by many governments closing borders,
closing borders to persons, closing borders to goods. I wonder if I may ask how you see all this.
Sadhguru: See… Yes, it's true you're seeing that as a global situation. But we need to understand this.
Bringing down walls without bringing down economic disparity is not going to work (Applause).
When we brought down walls, then itself we should have understood that we must strive to bring down disparity
in the world. No man or woman wants to leave their home and go somewhere else to some strange land
and live there just for survival. Nobody wants to do that (Applause). But… But it is estimated
that in the next decade there could be about 1.7 to 1.8 billion people moving or migrating.
When that many people start migrating, your wall is not going to work anyway (Laughter).
Wall will work when they're in a few thousands, maybe a million. But when they go to a billion,
your wall is not going to work, it's going to be a tragedy because now you see a stream of people coming.
Well, can every nation just open up its borders and say “Welcome, live on the streets”? Not possible.
Yes? So the thing to do is which I've been striving to do and I'm failed to do is,
in the last twenty-five years I've been trying to bring some key people in the world together so that…
This initially we started as “One percent.com” and I try to create a board
and every time we are about to do it, some war-like situation comes
and some nations back away and it never happened. All right? The idea was just this,
one percent of what we invest in our defense forces as we call them,
arms and armaments what we invest, if we contribute and we institute a board of people
who are from responsible businesses, to be given a soft loans to these businesses
to start enterprises in impoverished societies, where it's not profitable to do business.
A business will naturally try to do business where it’s most profitable.
You cannot ask them to go and do business somewhere in one corner of Asia or Africa,
because they are looking at their profitability. Essentially, this attitude is because money is expensive.
The money is expensive. If you give them a softer money which is not expensive
for a gestation period of twelve to twenty years and very soft kind of cushion
for them to develop an enterprise, develop the talent and create industry and business
in impoverished societies, the reason for these people to migrate will go.
Instead of making that investment you invest in putting up walls, you will see...
walls will work to a certain point. I'm not even saying it's wrong because
the sovereignty of a nation is essentially determined by the geographic borders.
I'm not saying every nation can open up and let people inside. It's not possible to do that
but you will not be able to control it this way, nor is it very humane to do it that way.
So the only way is, in some way we must see how economic disparity is lowered.
We cannot level it absolutely. It's very, very far away - leveling it.
But if we strive in the next ten years, if there is enough investments
going into various parts of the world from where people are migrating, if you start businesses there,
if you start enterprises there, if you start economic activity there, then the need for them to go elsewhere
to make a living could be reduced and migrations could be controlled.
Because, nobody wants to leave their homeland if they can make a living there (Applause).