THIS IS "THE FIVE"
THIS IS "THE FIVE."
>> IMPEACHMENT INSANITY A
STALEMATE ON CAPITOL HILL.
THE PRESIDENT BLASTING
NANCY PELOSI OVER THE WEEK AND
FOR THE DEMOCRATS IMPEACHMENT
DELAY.
>> CRAZY NANCY, SHE IS CRAZY.
NO, NO.
SO NOW SHE SAYS COMING SHE HAS
NO CASE, SHE HAS NO CASE.
THAT'S GOOD, RIGHT?
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, SO UNFAIR,
SOMEONE FAIR.
SHE HAS NO CASE.
DO THEY LOOK BAD?
THE SAME THING, THE
CONSTITUTION, THEY ARE VIOLATING
THE CONSTITUTION TOTALLY.
[APPLAUSE]
>> Jesse: NANCY PELOSI IS
RESPONDING BY ATTACKING TRUMP
AND SANG THE HOUSE ISN'T GOING
TO MOVE FORWARD ANY TIME SOON.
AND CHUCK SCHUMER CLAIMS THAT
UNLESS REPUBLICANS GIVE IN TO
HIS DEMANDS, THEN THE ENTIRE
THING IS A SHAM, THE G.O.P.
RETURNING FIRE BY CALLING OUT TO
PELOSI'S SHENANIGANS.
>> TO ME IT SEEMS ABSURD
POSITION AFTER IMPEACHING THE
PRESIDENT YOU WON'T SEND THE
PAPERS OVER TO THE SENATE.
>> THIS IS A SIGN OF WEAKNESS.
THIS IS A SIGN THAT SHE
UNDERSTANDS JUST HOW WEAK THESE
ARTICLES ARE.
>> IMPEACHMENT IS A DEAD CAT,
STOP PLAYING WITH IT.
IT'S GOING NOWHERE.
QUIT VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION.
>> Jesse: TO TOP THINGS OFF
DEMOCRATS CONSIDERING
IMPEACHMENT 2.0.
THE COURT FILING REVEALING THE
POSSIBILITY PRESIDENT TRUMP
COULD BE IMPEACHED AGAIN.
A FIGHT OVER TESTIMONY FOR THE
WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL, I LIKE THE
DEAD CAT ANALOGY.
>> Dana: NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY
WITH A DEAD CAT.
NOBODY WANTS TO HAVE A DEAD CAT.
>> Jesse: MAY BE YOU, YOU
DON'T LIKE HAVE SPIRITS BEFORE I
LIKE CATS.
MY SISTER HAS FOUR RESCUE CATS.
BUT YES, IMPEACHMENT WENT SO
WELL THE FIRST TIME WE ARE
PLANNING TO DO IT AGAIN AND
TELEGRAPHING OVER AT DON
McCANN'S TESTIMONY, THAT SEEMS
A LITTLE FAR-FETCHED.
BUT THIS REMINDS ME OF THE
GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.
DO YOU REMEMBER THERE WAS A
GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN LAST YEAR?
>> Jesse: I DID.
BUT THE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN.
>> TELMEX BEFORE THAT SCHUMER
SHUT DOWN BUT THE DEMOCRATS WENT
INTO THAT THINKING THAT THEY HAD
THE UPPER HAND.
THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T GET HIS
LOAN MONEY BUT THE DEMOCRATS
PRETTY MUCH HAD TO CAVE SO I
THINK IMPEACHMENT FEELS THE
SAME, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING
THAT IS NOT GETTING A LOT OF
ATTENTION BECAUSE OF ALL THE
OTHER ACTIVITY AND THE HOLIDAYS
BUT DOUG JONES COME AT THE
DEMOCRAT FROM ALABAMA, THE
SENATOR WHO BASICALLY SAID HE'S
NOT FOR THIS IMPEACHMENT THING
BUT I THINK THAT IS AS BIG AS
JEFF ANDREW SWITCHING PARTIES TO
THE REPUBLICAN HEALTH SLIDE
BECAUSE IT MATTERS A LOT.
AND I THINK MAYBE THAT IS
BECAUSE, WE ARE ALSO BUSY, A LOT
OF DEMOCRATS THINK THAT THE
REPUBLICANS ARE IN TROUBLE LIKE
CORY GARDNER OR SUSAN COLLINS OF
MAINE.
THAT THEY WILL ACTUALLY HAVE
TROUBLE GETTING REELECTED.
DOUG JONES SAYING HE'S NOT FOR
IMPEACHMENT SHOWS HE KNOWS IT'S
NOT MERITORIOUS.
AND DEFTLY NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR
IT.
>> Jesse: DO YOU AGREE?
>> Tom: BUT NO BIG HEADLINES
ON DOUG JONES.
AND THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA.
WHAT WAS THE BIG STORY?
SOMEONE AT "CHRISTIANITY DO A"
MAKES THE HEADLINES.
AND IF YOU CAN FIND ANYBODY AT
ALL AND THEY TRY TO MAKE IT SEEM
LIKE A BIG MOVEMENT, EVEN THEN
EVANGELICALS SUPPORT.
>> Jesse: WE WILL TALK ABOUT
THAT IN A MOMENT.
I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO
UNDERSTAND THE STRATEGY OF
HOLDING THESE ARTICLES BACK.
WE TRIED TO ASK JUAN BUT WE WILL
GIVE YOU A SHOT.
WHY IS THIS SUCH A GOOD MOVE FOR
THE DEMOCRATS?
>> I THINK WE HAVE HEARD THEM
SAY SHE'S TRYING TO GET THE
UPPER HAND BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T
HAVE DIRECTOR JURISDICTION OVER
WHAT IS HAPPENING.
THIS IS WHAT I THINK THE
STRATEGY IS AND NO ONE WILL EVER
SAY IT IN SPEAKER PELOSI WILL
NOT LEAD WITH THIS, BUT I THINK
IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF
APPREHENSION ABOUT IMPEACHMENT
AND PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE.
THEY WERE ABLE TO ACTUALLY DO
SOME KIND OF PHOTO ON
IMPEACHMENT AND THE HOUSE, BUT
THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO
BE ACQUITTAL IN THE SENATE.
THEY HAVE TO SLOW DOWN THE TRAIN
TO ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, PLAY
BOTH ENDS TO SAY LOOK, THE
SENATE WOULD NOT BE FAIR.
WE WILL NOT LET THIS GO FORWARD
BECAUSE THIS WILL BE RAKED.
>> Jesse: THEY ARE STILL
ACTING TOUGH?
>> I THINK THEY ARE ACTING
DIFFERENT BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE HAMSTRUNG
WITHIN ACTUAL ACQUITTAL.
>> Jesse: BUT THERE IS GOING
TO A AND ACQUITTAL.
SO THEY WANT THE IMPEACHMENT
WITHOUT THE A ACQUITTAL.
>> THAT IS MY THEORY BUT I THINK
THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.
>> Jesse: THEY MIGHT BE READY
WITH THAT.
>> PROBLEM WITH THE STRATEGY IS
THE FACT THAT THEY DIDN'T NEED
ANYTHING ADDITIONAL.
THE VOTES THAT DO MATTER MORE
FOR RETAINING ANY SUPPORT FOR
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHICH IS
THOSE INDEPENDENTS ARE THE ONES
SO EXHAUSTED BY THIS AND SHOWING
FATIGUE AND ARE NOT SUPPORTING
THIS.
SO IT'S LIKE AN UNNECESSARY
RALLY.
THE OTHER PROBLEM IS THE LIES
THE ENTIRE POINT OF THIS,
GAMESMANSHIP.
NEVER HAD TO DO WITH SUBSTANCE
OTHERWISE A COMMITMENT TO
EVIDENCE.
THERE WOULDN'T BE THERE HURRY UP
AND THEN SLOW DOWN THAT THERE IS
NOW AN CONSUMER CITIZEN
CONFUSION.
NO ONE UNDERSTANDS THE STRATEGY.
DURING THIS BREAK, THIS IS NOT
AN AVERAGE BREAK BUT A HOLIDAY
BREAK WHERE PEOPLE ARE
CONNECTING WITH THEIR FAMILIES,
RESTORING THEIR EVERYDAY, CRAZY
LIVES.
TO ME ON THE OTHER END OF THIS
WHEN CONGRESS RECONVENES, THERE
WILL BE ADDED EXHAUSTION,
FATIGUE AND MOMENTUM COMING INTO
THE NEW YEAR.
EVERYONE WILL BE EXTRA SICK OF
THIS.
THIS AGAIN?
NO WAY.
>> Jesse: ALSO MEDIA SMEARING
EVANGELICALS FOR REFUSING TO
BACK IMPEACHMENT.
IT COMES AS "CHRISTIANITY TODAY"
CAUSES A STIR AFTER PUBLISHING
AND EDITORIAL CALLING FOR
PRESIDENT'S FROM OFFICE.
>> THEY ARE GIVING FULL LOYALTY
TO THE PRESIDENT AND NOT GOD
APPEAR THEY ARE NOT QUESTIONING
TRUMP.
>> THE REASON THIS IS OFFENSIVE,
EXPOSING ALL OF THEM TO TAKE
THIS SHAMELESS CON MAN OVER THE
PRINCIPLES THAT THEY ARE
PREACHING AND THE HOLY SEASON
HAS WE CELEBRATE.
THEY WOULD SELL OUT IF THEY
THOUGHT THEY COULD GET SOMETHING
FROM IT.
>> Jesse: HE SAID OH JESUS.
>> Dana: HERE TOGETHER, SO
THEIR DISMAY THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE
ABOUT EVANGELICALS AND TRUMP IS
NOT NEW.
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE THE
VERY BEGINNING HOW DARE YOU, HOW
COULD YOU?
GOING BACK TO ACCESS HOLLYWOOD
AND ON AND ON.
AND FOR LIKE ME, MY SPACE IS
PERSONAL AND I DON'T LIKE TO MIX
IT WITH POLITICS AND I'M NOT
PART OF EVANGELICAL BUT I WAS
BORN LUTHERAN.
BUT I UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT
EVANGELICAL POSITIONS.
I ALSO THINK IF SOMEONE WANTS TO
WRITE AN EDITORIAL TO
"CHRISTIANITY TODAY" THE
SOVIETS.
LET THEM.
EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
GIVE THEIR OPINION AND WE ARE
BLUNT AND WE GET TO DO IT ON
TELEVISION, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE
THAT BIG OF A DEAL.
>> Jesse: I THINK YOU SEE ALSO
THE TIMING OF IT.
YOU SAW "THE NEW YORK TIMES"
OP-ED BY REPUBLICANS WERE FORMER
REPUBLICANS.
THEY KNOW THEY ARE TRYING TO
TAKE OUT SOME OF THESE
REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE AND
THEY NEED ALL-OUT PRESSURE
PRESSURE CAMPAIGN AGAINST
REPUBLICANS TO GUILT THEM AND
SHE CAME THIS AND SO THE STAKES
ARE SO HIGH FOR THIS IMPEACHMEN
IMPEACHMENT.
>> LOOK AT ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE
GOING TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE IN
THE VOTERS AT HOME AND NOT
NECESSARILY "THE NEW YORK TIMES"
OR ANY OTHER MEDIA OUTLET TO TRY
TO SHAME THEM.
LOOK, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A
DISCONNECT BETWEEN
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS
PERSONAL, YOU KNOW, LIFESTYLE OR
HOWEVER, THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT POLITICAL EVANGELICAL
VALUES.
HEAT THE REALITY IS HE GOVERN
STRONGLY FOR THOSE GROUP OF
INDIVIDUALS WITH NUMBER OF
EXECUTIVE ORDERS AND THAT'S WHAT
THEY ARE LOOKING AT AND NOT
NECESSARILY PERSONAL CONDUCT.
>> Jesse: THAT IS TRUE.
BECAUSE IT IS A GREAT POINT BUT
IT IS DANGEROUS TO START
ATTACKING HYPOCRISY AND MAIN
MEDIA.
THAT IS PERSONAL TO THEM.
AND I THINK WHAT MATTERS, YOU
KNOW, PEOPLE CAN HAVE A DENTIST
TASED BUT WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT
HAPPENS AT THE BALLOT BOX.
THAT TURNOVER OF THE CIRCUITS
AND THE PUSHING THOSE THROUGH,
THAT SPEAKS LOUDER THAN ANYTHING
ELSE.
>> Jesse: TOM SHILLUE.
>> Tom: DANA, YOU ARE RIGHT
ANYONE CAN WRITE AN EDITORIAL
BUT THE THING IS ONE GUY MARK
GALLI ON FOR SUNDAY SHOWS HAD AN
OPEN FORUM AND MADE IT SEEM A
NATIONAL MOVEMENT BUT IT IS ONE
GUY, THE OWNER OF
"CHRISTIANITY TODAY."
THE THING YOU LOOK AT THOUGH IS
THE FACT THAT THE MEDIA TREAT AT
THIS.
LIKE IT WAS WATERSHED WHEN IT
WASN'T.
THE FOLLOW-UP ARTICLE IS VERY
INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY JUST
WANT TO, THEY SAID PLANT A FLAG.
THEY DON'T LIKE THE EVANGELICAL
MOVE IS TIED TO TRUMP THAT IT'S
HURTING RECRUITMENT WITH CERTAIN
GROUPS AND THEY WON'T ADMIT THAT
BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT IMPEACHMENT
WHICH THEY ARE ARTICULATE.
>> Dana: WHAT ARE THEY
OFFERING?
THE ALTERNATIVE, THE ALTERNATIVE
EVANGELICALS ARE NOT POOR.
THE ALTERNATIVE ON THE POLICY
SIDE.
>> Tom: DID YOU HEAR WHAT MARK
GALLI SAID?
HE IS NOT POLITICAL.
HE PUNTED ON THAT.
>> Jesse: ACCORDING TO THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN, THEY WILL TURN
OUT MORE EVANGELICALS.
>> Dana: PROBABLY COMING OUT.