MARIAH CAREY HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF SEXUAL
HARASSMENT BY HER FORMER SECURITY GUARD. MIGHT GO AND
ELLA WHO IS THE CEO OF LOS ANGELES-BASED AND NOAH
CONSULTING IS ACTUALLY THREATENING TO SUE HER FOR
UNPAID BILLS AND EXCESS OF $220,000 FOR WORK UNDERTAKEN
BETWEEN JUNE 2015 AND MAY 2017. FURTHER:
OBVIOUSLY THERE IS
ARE ALL ALLEGATIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING
RIGHT NOW AND OBVIOUSLY THINK IN THE MIDST OF ALL OF THE HARVEY
WEINSTEIN FOLLOW IN ALL OF THESE OTHER FAMOUS PEOPLE IN HOLLYWOOD
BEING BROUGHT DOWN BY SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND SEXUAL ABUSE
CLAIMS AND ALLEGATIONS, THIS IS ADDING TO THE LIST WITH A LITTLE
BIT OF A TWIST, REQUEST ON A LOT OF THESE CASES WE'VE SEEN WOMEN
ACCUSING MEN OF THESE ACTIONS AND NOW THIS SORT OF FLIPS THE
TABLE. WHAT YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THIS?
>> GO-AHEAD.
>> I FEEL LIKE I JUMP IN IMMEDIATELY.
>> GO-AHEAD.
>> YEAH, IF YOU ARE SEXUALLY HARASSING PEOPLE, I THINK THE
ACCUSATIONS SHOULD COME FORWARD AND WE SHOULD INVESTIGATE AND
FIND OUT WHO IT IS REGARDLESS OF THE GENDER OF THE PERSON WHO IS
ACTUALLY PERPETUATING THE SEXUAL HARASSMENT. I THINK SOME OF THE
CLAIMS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC NUMBER I
CARRIES ALWAYS IN A N…GLIG…E.
>> HAVE YOU SEEN HER MUSIC VIDEOS?
>> I'VE NEVER NOT SEEN HER ALMOST NAKED, SO IT IS PROBABLY
ALSO THE LAZIEST SEXUAL HARASSMENT, BASED ON HER
PERFORMANCES, AND HAS TO BE REALLY BAD, BUT AGAIN,
HARASSMENT OF ANY FORM HAS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY, FOLKS NEED
TO COME FORWARD AND HE NEEDS TO FILE THIS SO CAN BE FURTHER
INVESTIGATED.
>> YES. I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO
RECOGNIZE THAT SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND SEXUAL ABUSE HAPPENS TO MEN
TOO AND I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT SORT OF NUANCE TO A
LOT OF THE ALLEGATIONS THAT WE ARE SEEING IN THE MEDIA RIGHT
NOW. THAT SAID, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE. HE IS UNPAID.
HE IS SAYING THAT SHE IS RACIST. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE IS
SAYING SHE SAID WAS THAT SHE WAS RACIST BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO BE
SURROUNDED BY BLACK GUYS AND NOT WHITE PEOPLE. 1ST OF ALL,
REVERSE RACISM IS NOT A THING SO THAT IS THE FIRST THING.
NOT A THING.
>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS.
WHAT IS REFERS RACISM NOT A THING ME?
>> WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AND IS HIM, LIKE SEXISM, RACISM,
WHATEVER IT IS. YOU CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF THIS BECAUSE YOU
ARE A SOCIOLOGIST BUT YOU ARE ALSO LOOK AT THE OPPRESSOR AND
OPPRESSED AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT DYNAMIC IN THE SYSTEMIC
PROBLEMS, THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS, THEY ARE GOING TO BE INDIVIDUAL
BIASES AND STEREOTYPES AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT WHEN YOU
ARE LOOKING AT IS A SYSTEMIC LEVEL THE OPPRESSED CAN'T
BE RACIST OR SEXIST AGAINST THE OPPRESSOR.
>> BUT WHAT IF SHE'S LIKE I HATE WHITE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY
ARE INHERENTLY INFERIOR TO ME.
SO I DO NOT WANT THEM AROUND ME?
>> THERE CAN BE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT CAN FEEL THAT WAY, BUT IT
IS NOT THE WHOLE RACISM BECAUSE IT IS NOT A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM.
>> I GET WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. I THINK THOSE WORDS, I GET IT.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE HISTORICAL
LEGACY OF OPPRESSION AND THE THINGS THAT BEEN HAPPENING SINCE
SLAVERY BUT IT IS LIKE, IF SHE IS BEING RACIST WHITE PEOPLE,
SHE CAN BE RACIST FOR WHITE PEOPLE, RIGHT?
I AS A JEW CAN BE RACIST TOWARD PEOPLE WHO HAVE OPPRESSED
ME IN THE PAST.
>> I THINK IT IS JUST THE WAY WE'RE USING THESE TERMS AND I
THINK WE GET CAUGHT UP IN HOW WE, SEMANTICS AROUND THESE
THINGS. SHE IS DISPLAYING BIGOTED BEHAVIOR AND SAYING
THINGS THAT ARE RACIST. SHE MAY BE DISCRIMINATING IN THIS
PARTICULAR CASE BECAUSE IT IS THE WORKPLACE WHICH I THINK IS
PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE YOU SHOULD EXERT SOME SORT OF CONTROL OVER
WHO IS HIRED IF YOU DO OF THE ISSUE, THEN WHY IS IT ON DISPLAY
IN THESE INTERPERSONAL INTERACTIONS WHEN HE IS AN
ASSISTANT, A BODYGUARD.
>> YOU EXERT SOME CONTROL OVER WHO IS BEING HIRED AND NOT TO
SAY THAT SHE IS NOT OPENLY DISCRIMINATING BY NOT ACTIVELY
HIRING WHITE PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW, I FEEL LIKE HER ETHNICITY
IS KIND OF AMBIGUOUS OF THIS IS KIND OF AN INTERESTING CASE. IN
ANY LIGHT THINK ALL FORMS OF DISCRIMINATION OR HARASSMENT
NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED AND TAKEN SERIOUSLY. IT'S A LITTLE
NEBULOUS HERE AS TO WHAT IS HAPPENED AND I THINK THAT
IS WHY IT IS JUST A LITTLE TRICKY TO SUSS OUT.
>> IN ANY CRIME IT SEEMS THERE IS AN ACT IN AN INTENSE THAT YOU
CAN BE IN MARIAH CAREY AND SHE IS IN REVEALING OUTFITS AND IT
IS THE STAGE AT THE GRAMMYS AND THERE IS ONE WHEN SHE IS IN A
REVEALING OUTFIT AND SHE IS INTENTIONALLY MAKING YOU FEEL
AWKWARD AND POWERLESS WHEN SHE IS MAKING YOU COME IN AND TAKE
HER LUGGAGE AWAY, WHEN YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE SAID THAT THIS
MAKES YOU FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE IN THIS NOT PART OF YOUR JOB AND IT
SHOULDN'T BE PART OF YOUR JOB.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU. THERE ARE OTHER ALLEGATIONS THAT I'VE READ
FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES, ONE OF WHICH SAYING THAT SHE WAS
PARTAKING IN SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH SOMEBODY AND HE FELT LIKE
SHE WAS MAKING SURE THEY HE WITNESSED IT.
>> THAT IS CREEPY.
>> YOU ARE ALSO A SECURITY GUARD AND IF YOU WERE STANDING OUTSIDE
OF HER ROOM TO PROTECT SOMEBODY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LINES ARE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE THIS IS ALL SORT OF
COMING OUT RIGHT NOW AND I THINK THERE IS A LOT WE STILL NEED TO
LOOK INTO. THAT SAID, I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT STORY
BECAUSE SEXUAL-HARASSMENT OBVIOUSLY CAN HAPPEN TO MEN TO
AS WE'VE SEEN IN THAT KEVIN SPACEY ALLEGATIONS AND NOW
POTENTIALLY IN THEM OR I CARRY ALLEGATIONS TO.
>> AND THINK IT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE IT IS ANOTHER CASE,
ALTHOUGH NOT AS CLEAR, HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN PROFESSIONALISM IN
THESE PROFESSIONAL SPACES. THINK WITH FIGURE OUT HOW TO
CARVEOUT BOUNDARIES THAT ARE CLEAR BECAUSE THIS ISN'T A
FORMAL OFFICE SPACE. YOU ARE A SECURITY GUARD SO THEY DO KIND
OF TRAVERSE THE BOUNDARIES OF INTERPERSONAL INTERACTIONS.
THEY ARE THERE WHEN YOU ARE CHANGING OR POSSIBLY SLEEPING
WITH SOMEONE SO HOW DO YOU DEFINE WHAT HARASSMENT IS.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE, I GUESS IT PROBABLY HAPPENS IN GAME OF
THRONES BUT I REMEMBER THERE'S A SHOW CALLED ROMER SHE IS HAVING
SEX AND ALL OF HER GUYS ARE STANDING AROUND IN A CIRCLE. IT
SEEMS LIKE THESE ARCHAIC TERRIFYING MEDIEVAL SITUATIONS.
I WILL SAY THAT I AM GLAD THAT HOLLYWOOD IS CHANGING. I WAS AN
ASSISTANT AT A TALENT AGENCY AND I WAS RIGHT FOR GREAT PEOPLE BUT
YOU WOULD BE ON THE PHONE, LISTENING AND EVERYBODY'S
CONVERSATIONS UNLESS YOU NEED IN CASE YOU NEED TO SEND A PACKAGE
OR SOMETHING AND YOU HEAR IT, JUST TERRIFYING THINGS ON THE
PHONE AND YOU HEAR STORIES FROM OTHER ASSISTANTS WORKING OTHER
PLACES AND I TALKED TO VARIOUS PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE INDUSTRY
AND THEY HAVE SAID TIMES HAVE CHANGED. THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS
HAPPENING AND HR DEPARTMENTS EXIST NOW WHEREAS BEFORE IT WAS
JUST THE PERSON WHO SIGNED YOUR CHECK AND THERE WASN'T A REAL,
FULLY DEVELOPED HR DEPARTMENT YOU COULD GO TO AND I HEARD OF
ONE STORY WHERE, IN MY DAY, YOU HEAR THESE THINGS ABOUT, WHAT
ARE YOU WEARING KIND OF TEXT GOING TO ASSISTANTS AND SAYING
REALLY UNTOWARD HORRIBLE THINGS AND THEN I HEARD ONE STORY ABOUT
SOMEONE WHO JUST SENT ONE TEXT THAT WAS MORE ABOUT WHERE ARE
YOU RIGHT NOW WHICH COULD BE A BUNCH OF THINGS BUT AS AN
ASSISTANCE AFTER HOURS YOU WOULD GET CALLED TO MAKE A DELIVERY
8:30 PM ON A FRIDAY NIGHT, YOU JUST HAD TO DO IT BECAUSE IT WAS
PART OF YOUR JOB AT THE AMBIGUITY THERE, THEY WERE BOTH
BROUGHT IN AND ASKED TO HASH IT OUT AND ESTABLISH THOSE
BOUNDARIES WHICH IS A VERY RESPONSIBLE STEP WHICH I
DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY HAPPENING 15 YEARS AGO.
>> I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK
OFF OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU SAID, I
THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO REALLY DEFINE WHAT SEXUAL-HARASSMENT
IS, WHAT SEXUAL ABUSES AND SEXUAL ASSAULT IN ALL THOSE
THINGS BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO. WE SHOULD
KNOW WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE, I THINK RIGHT NOW IT DOES SEEM A
LITTLE BIT NEBULOUS AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT IN DIFFERENT
SCENARIOS WHEN IT IS THE INTERPERSONAL AND YOU HAVE
BUSINESS SORT OF MIXING WHERE YOU'D ARE DOING LATE-NIGHT
DELIVERIES AND YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO INTERPRET TEXT OR
WHATEVER IT MAY BE. THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION. EVEN THOUGH
MAYBE THERE SHOULDN'T BE, I STILL THINK THAT IT EXISTS SO
LET'S DEFINE IT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BREAK IT DOWN, EVERY
LITTLE THING RIGHT HERE IS CONSIDERED SEXUAL-HARASSMENT,
THIS IS SEXUAL ASSAULT, THIS IS SEXUAL ABUSE. I THINK WE REALLY
NEED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC SO PEOPLE, EXCEPT FOR SOME OF THE
BIGGEST OFFENDERS, I THINK IF THEY ARE SEEMINGLY INNOCUOUS, I
THING NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO BE CREEPY OR HARASSING.
>> I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE BUT
FOR YOUR EVERY DAY SORT OF WINK AT THE WOMAN AND THINGS LIKE
THAT, I THINK IF YOU ARE MADE CLEAR, HEY, THAT IS
SEXUAL-HARASSMENT THE NAVY FEWER PEOPLE WOULD DO IT.
I THINK, I HOPE.
>> I THE SAME REACTION. I HEAR THAT AND I WANT TO BELIEVE IT SO
BADLY, BUT I THINK THAT ENTERTAINMENT IS A SPECIFIC KIND
OF INDUSTRY THAT YOU GET INTO FOR THE POWER AND THE COOLNESS
OF IT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DRAWN TO FOR THOSE REASONS.
THERE ARE THE PURE ARTISTS AND THE PRODUCERS THAT ARE REALLY IN
IT TO MAKE AMAZING ARTS BUT THERE ARE ALSO PEOPLE THERE JUST
TO GO TO PARTIES AND GET DRUNK AND GET CHICKS. THAT INSTINCT
IS STILL OUT THERE.
>> I THINK IT EXISTS, THAT STARTS IN FRATERNITIES.
>> IT IS VERY FRIDAY.
>> THIS IS A PERVASIVE ISSUE. THERE ARE MANY WORKPLACES THAT
ARE UNDER FIRE NOW BECAUSE THE COCKTAIL PARTY GOT TOO OUT OF
CONTROL AND YOUR BOSS CAME UP AND SAID SOMETHING
INAPPROPRIATE, RIGHT? THAT IS JUST PAR FOR THE COURSE. TO
YOUR POINT, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF
WHAT THEY THINK SEXUAL-HARASSMENT OR ASSAULT IS.
THEY EVEN BASE IT ON THE TYPE OF THE RELATIONSHIP THEY THINK
THEY HAVE WITH THEIR COWORKER. OH, WE ARE COOL SO I AM GOING TO
SAY
SOMETHING WILDLY INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE THAT IS
HANNAH. IT'S LIKE ACTUALLY WE STILL WORK TOGETHER, THERE
SHOULD BE SOME BOUNDARIES. IT IS A DICEY ISSUE. I THINK
PARTICULARLY THINGS MAY CHANGE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN MEDIA BECAUSE
OF THE STIGMA AROUND KIND OF BEING OUTED. I THINK THAT
DOESN'T HAPPEN SO MUCH WHERE THE REGULAR WORKPLACES. NO ONE IS
WONDERING WHAT FEDEX IS DOING BUT SOME OF THESE CORPORATIONS
OR PUBLIC FIGURES WERE LIKE OH, YOU ARE HARASSING PEOPLE?
I'M NOT GOING TO WATCH HOUSE OF CARDS.
>> HAVING A PLATFORM IS A HUGE DEAL.
>> SIMILAR TO THAT I TALKED TO A PRODUCER WHO HAS BEEN IN THE
TOWN FOR PROBABLY 30
YEARS AND HE SAID THAT HE THINKS IT IS BECAUSE THE INSURANCE
COMPANIES ARE LIKE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO SETTLEMENTS ANYMORE.
>> IT IS ALL ABOUT PROFIT. PEOPLE ARE GETTING BETTER AT IT.
THE PEOPLE WHO YOU BEEN ABLE TO SCARE INTO SUBMISSION FOR SO
LONG ARE NOT AS FRIGHTENED ANYMORE. THEY ARE GOING TO TELL
ON YOU AND THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A GOOD CASE BECAUSE
EVERYTHING, WHEREAS BEFORE WAS A PHONE CALL THAT THEY MADE, NOW
IT'S A TEXT MESSAGE AND AN EMAIL THAT THEY CAN PRINT OUT AND SHOW
IN COURT AND HE IS JUST LIKE YEAH, FOR WHATEVER REASON,
ACTUALLY GETS IT TO HAPPEN EVEN IF IT IS THE INSURANCE
COMPANY THIS IS A GOOD THING THAT IS HAPPENING.
>> BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY HAS INTEGRITY.