>> LENS BRING IN KARA SWISHER,
HOST OF THE SWAY AND PIVOT
PODCAST.
FACEBOOK SAYS THAT TRUMP CAN
COME BACK IF HE IS NOT A SAFETY
THREAT ANY MORE.
EXTREMIST GROUPS ARE STILL OUT
THERE.
HOW WOULD FACEBOOK BE ABLE TO
TELL IF THE THREAT IS GONE?
>> I THINK THEYRE FOCUSED ON
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE THINGS
HE SAYS.
THE ELECTION LIES THAT HE KEPT
TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK THEYRE WATCHING HIS
BEHAVIOR ELSEWHERE.
I THINK AFTER HE WAS SUSPENDED
HE CONTINUED TO SORT OF DOUBLE
DOWN ON THE THINGS HE WAS SAYING
THAT WERE A PROBLEM FOR
FACEBOOK.
I THINK ITS HIS BEHAVIOR THAT
THEYRE LOOKING AT, NOT
NECESSARILY PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT
HIS PRESENCE ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND
IF IT WILL BE SAFE, I SUSPECT.
>> KARA, YOU KNOW MARK
ZUCKERBERG VERY, VERY WELL.
DOES HE BELIEVE THAT FACEBOOK
USERS WILL JUST MAGICALLY
MODERATE THEMSELVES?
>> HE DOES.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE NOT TALKED TO
HIM IN AWHILE.
HE HAS NOT TALKED TO ME SINCE
OUR LAST INTERVIEW WHEN HE SAID
THINGS THAT WASNT GREAT TO SAY,
BUT HE REALLY BELIEVES IN THE
COMMUNITY AND THE ABILITY TO
SELF REGULATE AND IF NOT HE CAN
USE ALGORITHMS TO TAKE CARE OF
THE BEST.
AT FIRST I THOUGHT IT WAS FAINT
AND NOT VERY REAL, BUT I THINK
HE BELIEVE ITS THAT THE
COMMUNITY TOGETHER WILL DECIDE
ON WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS
WRONG AND HE SHOULDNT IN IS
SOMETHING THAT HE SHOULD
MAINTAIN FOR A LONG TIME.
I THINK THAT IS UNTENABLE WHEN
YOU HAVE A CHARACTER LIKE DONALD
TRUMP SHOW UP.
YOU CAN CALL TRUMP WHATEVER YOU
WANT, BUT THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO
DEAL WITH A BAD PLAYER THAT
CONTINUES TO GAME THEM
ESSENTIALLY.
>> YESTERDAY NICK CLEGG WAS
ASKED ABOUT YOUR COLUMN.
HE SAID FACEBOOK SHOULD BE
REGULATED, BUT NOT BROKEN UP.
HASNT THEIR MASSIVE EXISTENCE
AND ENORMOUS LOBBYING EFFORTS,
RESISTANCE TO REGULATION LEAD US
TO THE MESS THAT WERE IN NOW?
>> THERE IS NO REGULATION.
THEYRE NOT RESISTANT TO
REGULATION, ITS A QUESTION OF
WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
AND THEY DONT WANT THE WRONG
KIND OF REGULATION THAT THEY
WOULD NOT LIKE.
ONE OF THE ISSUES IS WHETHER OR
NOT THEY SHOULD BE BROKEN UP.
IF THEY HAVE A STRANGLE HOLD ON
SOCIAL MEDIA.
EVEN CLARENCE THOMAS WAS TALKING
ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD
BE A PUBLIC UTILITY.
THOSE ARE ALL INTERESTING THINGS
TO DEBATE AND EVERYONE SHOULD
TALK ABOUT THEM.
I THINK WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN.
THAT IS A GOOD PLACE TO BEGIN
AND THERE IS A LOT OF BILLS
INCLUDING BY SENATOR AMY
KLOBUCHAR AND OTHERS, THERE IS
MORE OF AN ABILITY OF THE FTC
AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO
HAVE FUNDING TO ENFORCE A LOT OF
STUFF, THATS THE BEGINNINGS OF
THINGS AND WE HAVE TO THINK HARD
ABOUT THE MONOPOLIES THAT REALLY
DO DETERMINE WHAT EVERYONE CAN
DO.
ONE OF THE THINGS IS WHETHER OR
NOT YOU AGREE WITH THEIR
DECISION ON DONALD TRUMP ONE
PERSON MADE THAT DECISION.
IT COMES DOWN TO MARK
ZUCKERBERG.
>> I DONT KNOW TOO MANY OF THE
RICHEST PEOPLE ON THE PLANNEST
THAT RUN PUBLIC UTILITIES.
HOW MUCH WILL IS THERE TO BREAK
FACEBOOK UP?
>> I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHERE
YOU ARE ON THE POLITICAL
SPECTRUM.
THEY THINK ABOUT THE POWER A
LOT.
NOW THE REPUBLICANS ARE SORT OF
FOCUSED IN ON SORT OF THE JOSH
HOLLY IDEA THAT THEY ARE BIASSED
AGAINST CONSERVATIVES AND
THEYRE NOT.
PRESIDENT TRUMP VIOLATED THE
RULES OF FACEBOOK OVER AND OVER
AND OVER AGAIN.
AND THEY ACTUALLY WERE QUITE
INDULGENT OF HIM UNTIL THE
INSURRECTION.
AND THEN THEY DIDNT FEEL LIKE
BEING HANDMAIDENS TO SEDITION.
FACEBOOK MOVES TO INDEFINITELY
BAN HIM AND NOW THEYRE GOING TO
DO IT FOR TWO YEARS.
THEYRE KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE
ROAD.
NOW I THIS I THERE IS A LOT OF