STAFF OF THE ISRAEL ARMY GAVE NO
TERRIBLE ACT OF ATROCITY. ON OCTOBER 20th THE PRESIDENT
ON OCTOBER 20th THE PRESIDENT
ASKED
ASKED.
SO WE ARE WAY, WAY PAST DUE.
UKRAINE IS BLEEDING.
THE BORDER IS OPEN.
ISRAEL IS UNDER ATTACK.
FUNDS ARE NEEDED.
THE WHOLE WORLD NEEDS AMERICA.
WHERE IS AMERICA?
>> DAVID, SWITCHING TOPICS HERE,
YOU'VE GOT A NEW PIECE OUT THIS
MORNING IN "THE ATLANTIC" DEBATE
AN DIETINDICTED TRAITOR?
NO."
ONCE OF YOUR RESPONSES IS,
PRESIDENT BIDEN'S SPOKESPERSON
SHOULD ANSWER LIKE THIS.
THE CONSTITUTION IS NOT
DEBATABLE.
THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT
PARTICIPATE IN FORUMS WITH THE
PERSON UNDER CRIMINAL INDICTMENT
FOR HIS ATTEMPT TO OVERTHROW THE
CONSTITUTION.
SPELL THAT OUT A BIT.
>> THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK
ABOUT WHETHER PRESIDENT BIDEN
SHOULD DEBATE DEFENDANT TRUMP.
SOME PEOPLE SAY YES, SOME PEOPLE
SAY NO.
EARLIER THIS WEEK A CONSORTIUM
OF TV NETWORKS ASKED THAT THE
DEBATE GO AHEAD.
YOU'LL HEAR PEOPLE SAY THE
PRESIDENT SHOULDN'T DO IT, TRUMP
IS OBNOXIOUS, TRUMP IS A JERK.
NONE OF THAT ENTERS INTO IT.
CAN'T BIDEN RIGHTLY DEBATED
THEN-PRESIDENT TRUMP IN 2020.
HILLARY CLINTON DEBATED TRUMP IN
2016, AS OBNOXIOUS AS HE WAS TO
HER.
WE NEED TO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY.
HE IS UNDER CRIMINAL INDICTMENT
AND NOT JUST FOR THE TRIAL IN
NEW YORK FOR THE HUSH MONEY, BUT
CRIMES AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION,
FOR TRYING TO OVERTHROW AN
ELECTION.
WOULD THE PRESIDENT DO AN EVENT
WITH THE WEATHER UNDERGROUND OR
THE BLACK PANTHERS OR THE PROUD
BOYS OR ANY OTHER GROUP OF
PEOPLE INVOLVED IN INDICTED
CRIMES?
IT'S NOT A MATTER OF OPINION.
IT'S NOT BIDEN'S PERSONAL
DELIKE.
IT'S A FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP
HAS BEEN INDICTED FOR VIOLENT
CRIMES AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION.
THE PRESIDENT SHOULDN'T BE ON
THE STAGE WITH SUCH A PERSON.
>> THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAVE
FASHIONED THEMSELVES AS THE
PARTY FOR DEMOCRACY, THE PARTY
FOR DEBATES.
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO PUSHED
PREVIOUSLY AND SAID WE NEED TO
HAVE DEBATES.
POTENTIALLY IF PRESIDENT BIDEN
WERE TO SUDDENLY NOT, THAT WOULD
BE A RISKY PLAY.
LOOK AT THE SHEER POLITICS OF
THIS.
IF HE SAYS NO TO THE DEBATE,
PLENTY OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
SAY, WELL, THAT'S BECAUSE
PRESIDENT BIDEN IS DUCKING HIM
BECAUSE HE'S TOO OLD OR WHATEVER
IT MIGHT BE.
HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS THAT?
>> I ADDRESS THE POLITICAL AND
THEN THE OTHER.
LOOK, THERE'S A SAYING IN THE
NEWS BUSINESS, IT'S NOT A SCOOP
UNLESS YOU PLAY IT LIKE A SCOOP.
THERE SHOULD BE A SAYING IN LAW,
IT'S NOT A CRIME UNLESS YOU ACT
LIKE IT'S A CRIME.
HOW DO AMERICANS UNDERSTAND THAT
WHAT DONALD TRUMP DID WAS
SOMETHING SO OUT OF THE USUAL?
THE STAKES ARE HIGH IN THIS
ELECTION.
WELL, THE STAKES WERE HIGH IN
1980 WHEN JIMMY CARTER AND
RONALD REAGAN HAD A HUGE DEBATE
OVER THE SHAPE OF THE AMERICAN
GOVERNMENT.
AND THE STAKES WERE HIGH IN 2004
WHEN GEORGE BUSH AND JOHN KERRY
DEBATED THE WAR.
IF THIS CASE
IN THIS CASE, IT IS A GRAND JURY
THAT INDICTED DONALD TRUMP.
IF BIDEN GOES ON THE STAGE WITH
HIM, BIDEN IS AGREEING, LOOK,
THE PLOT TO OVERTHROW THE
CONSTITUTION IS ONE IMPORTANT
ISSUE, BUT THERE ARE OTHERS
BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TALK
ABOUT OVERTHROWING THE
CONSTITUTION.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT
GROCERY PRICES.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT
ABORTION.
IT'S JUST ONE ISSUE OUT OF MANY.
YOU'RE GIVING PEOPLE PERMISSION
TO SAY, I'M NOT WITH TRUMP ON
THE OVERTHROWING THE
CONSTITUTION BY VIOLENCE PART,
BUT I AM WORRIED ABOUT THESE
FOOD PRICES.
THE ELECTION WILL BE DECIDED ON
FOOD PRICES AND ABORTION.
I UNDERSTAND MOST PEOPLE DON'T
VOTE ON THESE ISSUES.
I'M GOING TO BE VOTING ON
UKRAINE AND DEMOCRACY.
BUT WHEN THEY TEACH THIS A
HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW IN HIGH
SCHOOL, THEY WON'T BE TALKING
ABOUT ABORTION AND GROCERY
PRICES.
THEY'LL BE TALKING ABOUT DID THE
UNITED STATES STAND BY THE
STRUCTURE OF WORLD PEACE THAT IS
SYMBOLIZED BY NATO?
DID THE UNITED STATES MAINTAIN
IT IS ILLEGAL AND IMPROPER TO
OVERTHROW THE CONSTITUTION BY
VIOLENCE, OR DID IT YIELD ON
THOSE POINTS?
THAT SHOULD NOT BE UP FOR
DEBATE.
>> DAVID FRUM, THANK YOU FOR
THAT.
DAVID, I HOPE THIS IS OKAY, BUT
JOE AND I BOTH READ THE PIECE
THAT YOU WROTE ABOUT YOUR
DAUGHTER MIRANDA'S LAST GIFT.
IT'S IN "THE ATLANTIC."
IT WAS SO MOVING AND SO
BEAUTIFUL.
YOU CAPTURED YOUR DAUGHTER AND
HER WIT, THE STRUGGLE ING, THE G
AND HUMOR OF LOVING HER AND HER
DOG, WHICH SHE LEFT YOU.
APPARENTLY THE DOG DOESN'T
RESPECT YOU AND CONSIDERS YOU TO
BE HIS ASSISTANT.
I HOPE YOU ARE TREATING THE DOG
WITH THE RESPECT MIRANDA
EXPECTED RINGO TO DESERVE.
JOE AND I READ IT AND WE SAT IN
SILENCE FOR MANY MOMENTS JUST SO
MOVED BY HOW INCREDIBLY GENEROUS
IT WAS FOR YOU TO WRITE.
>> IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME.
I WASN'T PREPARED FOR THAT, SO
IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SPEAK.
>> I'M SO SORRY.
>> I THANK YOU.
I HOPE PEOPLE READ IT AND THAT
MORE PEOPLE KNOW MIRANDA AND
RINGO TOO.
HE DOESN'T RESPECT ME, BUT I TRY
TO RESPECT HIM.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> I'M SORRY TO SORT OF SURPRISE
YOU WITH THIS, BUT IT WAS SUCH A
BEAUTIFUL PIECE.
I COULDN'T LET IT GO BY WITHOUT
MENTIONING IT.