mike smith amen i believe that honesty
is really a foundational piece of any
kind of relationship you're going to
have any relationship worth anything
you got to be straight up you got to be
transparent right you agree
word well i think i should just be
uh straightforward about
you know feeling some kind of way the
last couple weeks that's why i didn't
talk to you
uh we were on break yeah i was a little
i'm so upset about it
because that little thing that little
running thing we have going you think
it's a joke but
i take it personally where you keep
saying that
you would leave the show in a minute to
work for an nfl franchise
and i feel like you know you put my
family at risk
like we can't have like extra stuff
because
uncle michael wants to go off and pursue
his nfl dreams
like you would be calling me and asking
me to take you with me come on now
you you've only written several books
about the inner workings of nfl
organizations
you'll be like hey dog you got room for
me come on now play the truck
you go too i don't know you go to oh no
i just been a little upset about it and
and you know it could actually happen
because you know you meet the rooney
rule requirements
somebody could bring you in and talk to
a really great point
that's a really good that's a good point
like a sham interview i guess
yeah who would you call i call hey i
called mike smith
but you think you're qualified but in
all seriousness you think you're
you could if somebody said come in and
learn the business we'll give you
four or five years to learn the business
do you feel like you'd be pretty good at
it wait i i listen man first of all
you you said i think i'm qualified like
as a matter of fact like
listen i say that tongue-in-cheek okay
but like me
you have to find your franchise on
madden
i know i don't want anybody thinking
that i seriously believe that i'm
qualified or covered in the nfl for as
long as i did or have
no what i would want to do is just so
we're clear michael
when i say i would leave you for uh an
nfl position
i i don't mean yeah i told you i'd be
the assistant to the traveling secretary
i just want a foot in the door and i
would work my way
up over several years and learn the
business i don't think i would be in the
business i don't think i would be the gm
i'm not looking to go and be the gm and
think i would be good at it immediately
i mean working my way up
of course not potentially of course not
but assistant gm
you're an intelligent person you're
passionate about the sport
you're willing to learn and listen so
you got four or five years in
you probably would be in position maybe
not to run a franchise but you'll be
getting a little closer
i imagine i would like to think so
imagine
see like when sean khan said his things
yesterday
about jacksonville and how he plans to
run the operation
and he's going to have some more
interest
in right in the roster he said i'm not
going to be jerry jones
but i'll have some interest in the
roster he got a lot of pushback on that
and i understand why because that's
that's our default response
but think about this the guy has built
businesses in his career he's 70 years
old he has taken businesses from nothing
to something
it's not football but he's taken
businesses
from nothing to something he knows
how business works and imagine he stayed
out of the way
for a decade with the jacksonville
jaguars
he was rewarded with one conference
championship game appearance
in 2017. three four quarterbacks i lost
track of the quarterbacks three four
rebuilding plans
i lost track and now he's saying well
wait a minute
i got nine ten years in as an owner
i'm not like mike smith where i'm just
learning i'm learning
as i pay the bills in this piece
don't i have the right to say
wait a minute both of you both of y'all
four
and five general manager and head coach
both of you report to me
and we'll be on the same page because
i've seen
enough in duvall duvall is usually it's
l the the focus on all l
l's lots of l's and duvall what's wrong
with that
tell me the problem what's your problem
i got i got to say i was not expecting
that take
i was not that that is the most
ridiculous thing
i have ever heard you said what are you
serious right now
i'm serious are you serious he said
what what what was wrong about what he
was waiting wait you get no i was also
talking about what's wrong about what
you said
you gave thought to
what shot khan said about you know
wanting to
be involved yes with the first pick
with the draft with the roster you gave
consideration to that
and that's what you came back with you
thought it was a good idea you thought
that tick was a good take huh
you thought that was a good idea huh
sure bro i am
i'm more disappointed than you than i am
in sha khan because it's his team
and it's his money tell me he's got the
right to be crazy you i expect better
from
okay i'll tell you okay tell me what's
wrong
i'll take the i'll take the broad sides
and the slides at my
character i'll take the character
assassination right now
but what i want to know is tell you i'm
going to tell you what don't you like
about what he said as steve jobs once
said
you don't hire smart people and tell
them what to do
shotgun may be a successful businessman
i'm not sure if steve jobs said that
okay well it sounds good i'm gonna i'm
gonna i'm okay to him anyway
all right because cause you don't get to
be steve jobs
by not giving people structure
and making sure they are on the path and
you don't micromanage but you got to
give them structure you got to get
something if you aspire to be the dallas
cowboys
for the last 20-something years have at
it then
go ahead and be a meddlesome owner go
ahead and do it
but what good management knows
is what they don't know and they hire
people and put them in place to do their
jobs they hire smart people
and empower them a structure of
accountability
a cultural accountability that's one
thing but
it's been a long time and i'm talking
about
paul brown george halas it's been a long
time
since an owner as effective
as a general man okay al davis thank you
was effective
as a general manager and as a personnel
guy
because those were football jerry jones
is it is jerry jones bad at the job
uh yeah and i think that's all known
that for quite a long
yeah okay yes because there needs to be
some distance
between ownership and management michael
don't make me go to the cliche
owner's own general managers general
manager coaches coaches and players play
you got to know your place
even if your place is at the top of the
food chain got to know your place game
of all i'm not saying you can't be
in the room where it happens yeah you
could be in the draft room
and learning and you can chime in where
appropriate
but you the lady shotgun is messing this
up for me because i came into this
season michael check the tape you know
what i told you on the phone i know i
know you love jack's show
i told you who my team was this year
everybody everybody waking up to this
now
i told you that they were loaded with
draft picks
and cap space and all they had to do was
tank
just right and they could end up with
trevor lawrence
okay they did it they they are they are
it is
it is it is blue skies and birds
chirping
and sunshining and duvall camp space
when it comes to the
guys they got multiple picks and
multiple rounds here comes shotgun
messing that up by opening his mouth
talking about
yeah you know i want to keep roster
control
now player you hire a general manager or
a coach with personnel authority and he
brings in his general manager
and you get up out the way you let them
take trevor lawrence or as the case may
be justin fields
and you move out the way and enjoy the
wins and enjoy the revenue that comes
with the wins
that's the way it's been done since the
beginning of this
of this game and that's the way it's
always going to be done for franchises
that actually
want to win it's you know like his
company but that's the wrong way to run
it
mike shaw khan did
exactly what you said he did it the
right way
he did it the right way two or three
maybe he picked the wrong people
he picked the wrong way okay maybe maybe
but what i'm saying to you is
david caldwell who just got fired
was there for eight years uh
he stayed out of the way he allowed
david caldwell hey
you'll go ahead and and draft blake
bortles
you go ahead and draft luke jokel
you know you go ahead and draft these
people
i'm going to sit here i'm going to
support you you want to
spin in free agency which they did and
remember the year in 17 they brought in
calais campbell
they had all these guys they drafted
jaylen ramsey
go ahead do all this stuff then when tom
coughlin came in
because he said or maybe maybe caldwell
i'm not gonna fire caldwell
but coughlin he's won the super bowl he
was one of the founding members of this
franchise
uh let's bring him back into the fold
i'm gonna stay out his way too
he's smart he's won super bowls he
screwed it up
like if you are shot i mean look mike
you
think about this if you're in his
position
and you've done everything people have
told you to do
you stayed out of the way you spent
money you let the football people
operate this thing
you take advice from people like okay
hey how about this you listen to the
consultants
and you still suck
why not why not try something do it
what's the definition of insanity
you know what doing the same thing over
and over i'm stopping
i'm trying to i'm listening and i'm
trying to consider i'm trying to
consider i'm trying to see where you're
coming from
i'm trying real hard but you're not
feeling to see where you're coming from
no and i'm just still i'm still just
more i just can't believe it's coming
from you of all people
you are one of the you have you have had
access to organizations
like few have what would your sources
what would your gm friends what would
all the people who have let you in their
draft rooms what would they say
about you sitting up here advocating for
a owner to meddling personnel decisions
it's different no no there's there is
something to be said for an owner
what's the big deal being cons no no
i mean you can consult him and have a
relationship with the owner
of the team okay but an owner coming out
and saying
i want control of the roster to me
is a radical flag as
i kept the roster control i kept the
roster control and the candidates
the general manager candidates i've been
talking to them that for the immediate
future i'm going to keep the roster
control
and i want the coach to know that also
close quote
if i'm a potential head coach or general
manager
i don't give a damn how many draft picks
and how much cap space
and what quarterback you're about to
draft that's not some place i want to go
and work
with an owner this guy's just tired he's
going to be all up in my business
because that's how that's not what you
highlighted but if you hire me to run
the team
let me run the team if you're if your
business is compiling elves
season after season if your business did
you do what you just did
you clean house and you and you find
somebody else to do it
tell me tell me tell me the owner that
this has worked for
tell me the only thing that this works
for what you're advocating for michael
tell me the example okay just like
yesterday you put me on the spot he's
like name the college coach
name the college guy got it he said you
said there's a reason
you can't name one so i'm gonna ask you
you still ain't the owner for whom this
has worked
al davis name notifications that's
different
and that's a long time ago long long
long time ago oh yeah yeah okay yes but
you didn't say you didn't say uh name it
okay so shotguns al davis
shout out kaiser al davis the other
team's quarterback must go down he must
go down hard
shotgun and just just win just win and
then hit it and then
i don't know that rest in peace recipes
al then al fell off
but that whole commitment to excellence
the autumn win
that ain't shot you know
maybe maybe i'm i'm just saying mike
i think a lot of times you'll you'll
hear this in the nfl and i think he's
seen a lot as
as a still relatively young owner
going into his 10th year next year he's
seen a lot
in this game he's seen a lot of the
badness
in jacksonville everything that could go
wrong
has happened in jacksonville since he's
been the owner so why
so let's make it worse by by by by over
i don't know
does that make will he make it worse i
think what he's looking at
i like this is what i do like he said i
want the head coach
and the general manager both to report
to me i want them to be on
equal footing because what you see
sometimes
as you saw in new york with adam gase
comes in general manager hires him
all of a sudden he's backstabbing his gm
and his gm is out the guy who brought
him in
is fired you know coach is blaming the
gm gm playing the coaches hey i'd be
able to coach this team you give me
better players
hey uh i i'd be able to you know if this
guy would just coach the players that i
have we got good players he doesn't know
how to coach
now you you eliminate that back fighting
that that backstabbing and infighting
and you have them on equal ground and
they report to shot khan who i don't
think
wants to uh figure out if we're keeping
eight or nine linebackers i don't think
he wants that level of roster management
whatever whatever level of roster
management he wants is too much
the roster management goes to the
general manager or the head coach with
personnel authority
look you can structure your organization
however you want you could have them
both report to a team president
you could have the the gm report to that
you know
be reported to their coaching at the
belichick model where the coach has
personnel authority but there's a
personnel guy
that reports to him or works hand in
hand with him you could have
uh you know the gm hired a coach the
old-fashioned way i think
in business in general michael and it's
a fascinating broader conversation to be
had
in business i don't necessarily know
that there's a hard and fast rule as to
how you should structure your
organization
especially when you're starting over or
starting up
in this case the jaguars are starting
over and i think it depends on who you
hire
so if you hire urban meyer for 12
million and we'll get to that number
in a little bit if you hire urban meyer
are you going to then tell urban meyer
okay now urban i'm hiring this gm
and both of you are working with me yes
or do you give urban
the the wherewithal to say okay who
would you like to work with you
in order to acquire the types of players
that you want to coach
i'll sign urban just sign the checks
just sign the checks man that's your job
you got one job sign the checks that's
it and they all i believe
because you're the boss but you ain't
got to be involved in a day to day like
that
wait hold on hold on i became an owner
just to sign your checks
look i got to pay money yes i can pay
money
for the free for the pay for the best
i'm rich i can pay for the best seats
and without paying
he's in the playoffs in spite of himself
this year but you could be daniel snyder
okay the only reason daniel snyder's in
the playoffs this year because he got
out the window
to do that's it's not his thing the
playoffs he got out the way
okay you just said you want to be daniel
schneider go for it
jerry jones go for it you want to be all
up in the videos
singing dancing go for it
you want to win football games come to
death row
okay i i am so disappointed
i am so disappointed in you i'm happy
that we started with the jacksonville
jaguars
i don't care if he's disappointed and
this is truly having this
you want to talk about editorial control
side note
no quote-unquote sports talk show
in the history of sports talk shows has
ever led to jacksonville jaguars
that's the first hey look that up
something that's got to be a first
number
number one in your hearts number one on
your draft board
that is and not only live with the
jaguars
but spend 20 minutes talking about it
let's take a break so michael holly can
reconsider
this insanity we can take a break
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