ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN IT ALL AWAY
IN HIS WORDS AS AN ILLEGAL
SEARCH WARRANT REALLY FALLS
FLAT.
>> SO THERE’S ANOTHER BOMBASTIC
LAWYER AND CONFIDANT OF DONALD
TRUMP’S WHO HAD A SEARCH
WARRANTED EXECUTED ON HIS WORK
AND HOME, MICHAEL COHEN.
HE WAS ON WITH NICOLLE WALLACE
TONIGHT WITH A LITTLE ADVICE FOR
RUDY GIULIANI.
LET’S LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAS TO
SAY.
>> THIS IS MY SPEECH TO RUDY AND
TO, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY ELSE.
THEY HAVE HIM, AND SO IF HE’S
LOOKING TO PROTECT HIMSELF SO
THAT HE DOESN’T END UP SPENDING
THE REST OF HIS LIFE IN PRISON,
HE MAY WANT TO ACTUALLY START TO
COOPERATE.
IT’S SOMETHING THAT I DIDN’T DO
THAT I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE
HINDSIGHT BEING 20-20.
WHAT
>> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT
ADVICE, GLENN?
>> YEAH, THAT’S THE VOICE OF
EXPERIENCE TALKING BECAUSE LET’S
LOOK WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME.
FEDERAL SEARCH WARRANTS WERE
EXECUTED ON AN ATTORNEY’S HOME
AND AN ATTORNEY’S OFFICE.
WHILE THAT WAS MICHAEL COHEN AND
HE ENDED UP GOING TO PRISON.
IF PAST IS PROLOGUE, I THINK
RUDY GIULIANI OUGHT TO HUNKER
DOWN WITH HIS LAWYERS AND START
TO DISCUSS, OKAY, WHO ARE THE
BIGGER FISH THAT I CAN GIVE UP.
SO IF IT WERE ME AS THE
PROSECUTOR I WOULD BE DEBRIEFING
RUDY GIULIANI ABOUT WHAT HE
KNOWS ABOUT BILL BARR, ABOUT
DONALD TRUMP, ABOUT DON, JR. AND
OTHERS.
BECAUSE IF ANYBODY KNOWS THE
VALUE OF COOPERATING WITH A
CRIMINAL PROBE, IT’S A FORMER
U.S. ATTORNEY LIKE RUDY
GIULIANI.
>> AND THERE’S MORE TO IT THAN
THE BOMBAST AND THE THINGS
HAVING TO DO WITH THE ELECTION,
WHICH WERE MOST RECENT IN OUR
MEMORY ABOUT RUDY GIULIANI.
THIS ACTUALLY HAS TO DO WITH
UKRAINE AND THE AMERICAN
PRESENCE THERE AND THE ACTING
AMBASSADOR MARIE YOVANOVITCH,
WHO BY THE WAY TALKED ABOUT RUDY
GIULIANI TARGETING HER, WHICH
PROBABLY ULTIMATELY LED TO HER
LOSING HER JOB IN THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION.
LET’S LISTEN TO WHAT SHE HAD TO
SAY ABOUT RUDY GIULIANI.
>> I DO NOT UNDERSTAND MR.
YOU’LL
GIULIANI’S MOTIVES FOR
ATTACKING.
CLEARLY NO ONE AT THE STATE
DEPARTMENT DID.
WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT MR.
GIULIANI SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THOSE
CLAIMS WERE SUSPECT COMING AS
THEY REPORTEDLY DID FROM
INDIVIDUALS WITH QUESTIONABLE
MOTIVES AND WITH REASON TO
BELIEVE THEIR POLITICAL AND
FINANCIAL AMBITIONS WOULD BE
STYMIED BY OUR ANTI-CORRUPTION
POLICY IN UKRAINE.
>> MARIE YOVANOVITCH WAS
SOMEBODY SOME POWERFUL PEOPLE IN
UKRAINE WOULD HAVE LIKED OUT OF
THE WAY, AND ULTIMATELY THAT
WORKED.
I DON’T KNOW HOW THAT MAKES IT
MORE OR LESS SERIOUS AS A CRIME,
BUT IT IS MORE SERIOUS AS A
MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY THAT
RUDY GIULIANI MIGHT HAVE BEEN UP
TO THIS KIND OF ACTIVITY EITHER
AT THE BEHEST OF THE RUSSIAN --
OF THE UKRAINIANS OR NOT.
>> YEAH.
AND THIS IS A REALLY INTERESTING
PIECE, ALI, BECAUSE A PRESIDENT
HAS PLENARY AUTHORITY TO REMOVE
AN AMBASSADOR FOR GOOD REASON OR
FOR NO REASON AT ALL.
SO AT ANY MOMENT DONALD TRUMP
COULD HAVE PICKED UP THE PHONE
AND RECALLED AMBASSADOR MARIE
YOVANOVITCH, BUT THAT’S NOT WHAT
WAS GOING ON.
WHAT WEZAS GOING ON IS RUDY
GIULIANI WAS WORKING BEHIND THE
SCENES TO TRY TO DISLODGE
AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH WHO BY
ALL ACCOUNTS WAS A REALLY
ACCOMPLISHED CORRUPTION FIGHTER
IN HER POST AS AN AMBASSADOR.
SO IF THE PRESIDENT COULD HAVE
SUMMARILY REMOVED HER, WHY DID
RUDY GIULIANI HAVE TO WORK
BEHIND THE SCENES TO ALMOST
COVERTLY TRY TO PUSH HER OUT?
THAT TELLS US -- AND THIS IS WHY
I THINK YOU READ THAT IT’S THE
WORKING THEORY OF THE
PROSECUTORS.
IT TELLS US THAT RUDY GIULIANI
WASN’T DOING THIS FOR DONALD
TRUMP.
HE COULD HAVE DONE IT HIMSELF.
WHAT HE WAS PROBABLY DOING IS
WHAT THE EVIDENCE IS BEGINNING
TO LOOK LIKE IS HE WAS ACTING AT
THE BEHEST OF POWERFUL
UKRAINIANS WHO DID NOT LIKE
AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH’S