of the stature
legacy and i i think though i think wine
uh...
which is kind of the most
glaring
uh... because there there's kind of two ways of thinking about the thatcher
legacy one
there's a kind of unacknowledged consensus in some ways that she's a
about things that she was execute clearly wrong about
uh... to the point where david cameron who's the conservative u_k_ prime
ministers actually a polish daughter apologize on her behalf
and then other areas in terms of economics social policy where she uh...
thatcherism still kind of reigned supreme frankly the first watson what
margaret thatcher's attitude was towards
apartheid south africa which she was prime minister of the u_k_
and specifically towards
nelson mandela so
this is what she said andy and and you know bear in mind as an adult was still
imprisoned by the apartheid regime
when uh... dublin market that your came to power and several years to drip
readership
she said about nelson mandela
she called nelson mandela and the african national congress which was the
you know liberation party of south africa
that nelson mandela was at uh... and nancy was a typical tere
restoring this nation's
well
and she and stan you as the international community came together
across party lines
to apply sanctions to uh...
dope white apartheid afrikaner government south africa
thatcher upholds
sections
calling for a policy of what she called constructive engagement
i don't know what that means
what it seemed to me to practice was opposing sanctions and calling
by male citadel attorney
uh... so in south africa speaking of the opposite and of the spectrum
uh... of reaction to attach a look at the st cement weeded out
mandela outlived thatcher once a up one alone
freedom
history is the ultimate judge
that's once twitter tweet tweet that one out self africa reaction the factors
that
uh... and you know a lot
it's and then actually had only had to go ahead again you miss that
when with however make sure i got mandela outlive thatcher one of freedom
history is the ultimate judge ok that last line picture george bush saved my
back andrea of tweet about me when ako treatment
when everybody would recognize sometime out distance that was
sort of like charlie sheen said winning
aka profited would be a agree charlie sheen
quote great religion help
odd now of course mart that sure wasn't just that atrocious in south africa she
was atrocious and chile she said
actually i think people should as-is another i think that we can try to get
it because this is this search dual purposes because of what you know this
is another
example
a fat sure
the reality of being in government
i think is that sometimes you can have relationships and engagement with
unsavory players ok so that i think and and governments of all kinds
uh... you know in fact and see government which currently run south
africa which came out of the apartheid struggle has uh... you know i'd
disinvited the dalai lama from the nobel a prize laureate event couple years ago
because it one of fed china jeopardized arms deals with china
this is across political thing but when you talk about chile
uh... this isn't so
just think about this
margaret thatcher call nelson mandela terrorist
now a good still pinochet who came to to to power in chile in nineteen seventy
three and a military coup
organized opposition people in opposition politicians in soccer
stadiums have been killed by mass
uh... and pioneered a way of killing people which was used in argentina
uh... and by a number of right wing acquit the government's latin america
where it you would take people and helicopters
drug them so they passed out
cut their stomachs open throw them out of the plane so they could sink into the
ocean
and their uh... families that have no way of kind of
uh... tracing recovering the body
so this is peter shoes you've the rights record
and he did this all with the support of of course not only thatcher but also
uh... you know if you'd that unites states who happened under the nixon
administration kissinger was very close with uh... pinochet
now in the late eighties pinochet uh... under an agreement where he had lifetime
immunity for all of his
cyril human rights abuses did agree to have a referendum to trends in chile
back democracy so thatcher said that
a good still pinochet was the man responsible for bringing democracy to
chile
after he overthrew a democratically elected government
killed tens of thousands
people
jailed opposition leaders have people tortured
any agreed to of referendum where you would have lifelong community
and margaret thatcher came away with
he brought the markets he chile but of course from margaret thatcher's
perspective another
uh... and other people you know another big fan of appear shit libertarian
listeners was milton friedman
because pinochet while he was committing these refi cuban rights abuses
was privatizing government industries
and slashing social spending
so he was held up as this great model
for free markets
so i guess markets and freedom don't always come together
uh... but you had a bit but again so the baseline
out you know
however
were solely shocking
no
again
i'd just
all
is actually cell basically
uh... those are and then of course uh... also uh... she was she was very friendly
with the saddam hussein regime bein eighties when you know he was still on
the right side of things
our general suharto of indonesia also had a
horrific human rights record so that's part of the stature legacy which we
should all be talking about it