From his mouth to your years. >> It’s Brian kilmeade.
>> You know my main problem
shared is very simple and and
it all boiled over I write
about in my book it boiled
over. In In this meeting and
sheriff’s office in the summer
of 2019.
I walked in it was he called
the meeting was Jared Brad
Prescott ronna mcdaniel the
head of the RNC still is and
Mick Mulvaney then chief
of staff and it boiled every
Jarrett’s widow and no idea how
much he hated the kindness of
Jared I don’t hate you don’t
flatter yourself I don’t
understand you were 3 plus
years into this the president
wants is to work together all
you do is try to get get in my
way you roll your eyes, you
roll need a presence as work
together on this the 2 of you
and you give her a flip ensure
and then you tell people on the
leaker of course he had people
on the government payroll who
are leaking left to right.
>> So that uses some of the
sparring back and what did you
read about a new book Jared
Kushner I have negotiated with
him successfully plan. Former
senior adviser to President
Trump his book breaking
histories there. So of course
Kelly and came out a book last
month. So you guys didn’t
didn’t see eye to eye on a few
things to remember the
situation. so we really didn’t
work that closely together you
know we she was on the campaign
for the last couple months and
instead a very good job with
the communications use on
television all the time and
really really sorry that was
jumping ship, she’s she stayed
well, she’s a little shaky
during that time but she she
got to the right place but but
but again she did a good job
advocating for the president
and.
>> We’ve got the White House is
about getting things done and I
was more kind of working on
policies and getting things
done and she was in the
communication so she really
doesn’t show much in my book
because again I was working on
Middle East peace I was working
on securing the border building
the wall is working you know
operation warp speed is working
on prison reform and I think
she’s working another thing so
again I had no problems with
her I just tried to avoid a
little bit because she did a
lot interacting with the media
and I think she had different
things she was working on and I
had my own thing sex work and a
guy that you did not see eye to
eye with who was in in fighter
is Steve Bannon
who didn’t last long and when
he left the White House he
quickly combined with another
book to really hit the
president. Pretty hard when he
left what was that like being
that you left the business
world. And then you suddenly
had to deal in the White House
with Steve bad at that time
reince priebus who seemed to
come by against you.
So Steve actually was a
phenomenal ally on the campaign
he was very very with the
campaign we trend this morning.
Yeah he he he said he was again
like I said he was a great
partner on the campaign and
then we got to the White House.
I don’t know why he
he he P started going after me
I write a scene where I think I
tried to media between him and Gary Cohn at because there was leaking on each other.
And he basically said I’m gonna
break in half and maybe thought
I was siding with them over
him, but I think we agree to a
lot of the policies we agreed
on securing the border, we
agreed on a more protectionist
trade policy. and we agreed on
the deregulation.
But all of us and I felt like I
was getting lead on all over
the place and I was very odd
mail, but I never been a
Washington die. I didn’t talk
to the press at all that get
yeah and I basically had an
inflection point are right
about this right said OK, you
know if I have to fight back
and I can either try to leak
back at him
or I could do my game I kind of
said look I can never out leak
a leak or if you’re not heart’s
not in it you’re not good at it
you’re never going to beat
somebody is good at it.
And so I basically said look
the only way that I can I can
sustain as I have to get
tighter just focus on getting
things done and that’s the best
way to do it I played the long
game. And ultimately what what
I found with my my opponent
said I write about the book is
that I actually never defeated
them what happened was is.
I was able to kind of create a
foundation for myself or I can
focus on getting my things done
and often they blew themselves
up which is what happened with
Steven so look I wish him well
he was I I supported his pardon
at the end he was there.
For us in the first campaign
when very few people work.
And I wish him nothing but the
best rights and he’s back with
the president is back tight
with the president seems.
Again I you never know what the
perception is Ed what’s
actually happening but he’s
definitely become a very strong
voice for
mega but what they will say to
like he’s very big into the ER
on our
Republican a Republican civil
war stuff and that was his
thing upright pardon
and I think that fighting the
establishment was a good thing
but when you’re governing right
that what I saw is that the
parties are not ubiquitous
right there basically
collections of tribes and if
you want to pass legislation to
get things done you need to
figure out how to unite the
tribes and get people together
and maybe that’s why he wasn’t
the best
influence when he was in the
White And also some of the
other battles Mick Mulvaney had
a rival, and it pet simply own,
correct.
You had the referee between
them I had no idea that they
weren’t getting along. But was
a pretty critical time because
right after you the Russia
investigation you’ve got the
impeachment and you realize
these guys got to find a way.
>> You want to get involved in
that again yes so that was
during what I call season 3
right my 3rd year there we have
different staff and I saw so
many people come and go that.
>> I kept trying to like salt.
I actually got along very well
with both I thought they both
had their strengths.
But I was in this like weird
scene where they could come
into my office complain about
Pat Pat was looking on him the
power company often complain
about make was leaking on him.
I guys like
the president has a pretty
existential threat here which
is they’re trying to impeach
him the good news is and by the
way this this happened with
Russia this happened with the
Ukraine is like the Democrats
would constantly pick the worst
things to go after it was joke
with Trump on the other
rushing’s that’s a look the
good news is they’re going to
have to a private thing that
you’re most innocent of
anything you’ve ever been
accused of right so the
impeachment that they chose a
stupid thing to try to impeach
him on and so we said let’s
make him pay a political price
but you have to make sure you
have the right legal strategy,
the right communications
strategy, and it doesn’t work
with the chief of staff and the
chief legal counsel are
fighting with each other and so
for me after my. The first year
I tried to really stay in my
Lane, a lot more and say
you never was criticized me for
getting involved and by the way
probably rightly so right I
viewed as a business guy
there’s a problem.
You have to get involved try to
fix it, but the more I tried to
fix other people’s problems.
The more they would start
leaking on being resenting I
was involved so I said it kind
of got tighter
and I saw here that this was an
existential threat for the
president with the had to get
involved. I tried working with
both it really wasn’t working
so I created a separate comms
team to come in and I read
actually a bunch of books on it
and and I saw how Panetta did
it for Clinton and said it was
I think probably one of the top
2 chiefs of Staff that I
studied when I was in there and
he basically brought in a
lawyer named Shelburne who
reported directly and they
basically created a pod that
was able to fight impeachment
from the sky Tony say he was
phenomenal. The Hogan Gidley
Cayman
was phenomenal. Pam Bondi the
players and we just pummel them
and from start impeachment and
president Trump’s approval
rating went up 10 points right
and then you had the one at the
end of before you left and now
you anyone now the raid with
the January 6 investigation and
now you have the raid.
>> On Mar a Lago where it
stands right now. Have you
thought about what more you
could have got done had you not
had the Ukrainian phone call.
Had you not had the phony
Russia investigation. So I
think the biggest impediment
was covid right bye bye
by year 3 we’ve actually gotten
pretty good at it and we’re
used to it operating in a very
hostile combat environment.
And I think Trump and finally
figured out how to move all the
levers of power we had great
people and all the different
areas. The deregulation was
happening amazingly again the
year before Trump was elected
there were 6 million man hours
in America spent. Complying
with new regulations and then
for 4 years you had the first 4
years in our history.
Where there’s a net decrease in
our country and the cost of
regulations which helps small
business it’s all coming back,
yeah, which which they’re
putting back which is crazy but
but but but the bottom line is
I think covid held us back I we
were very close Middle East.
I mean we really at 6 p steals
your great momentum. I think we
could have gone 6 more at
least and I think the other
thing that I really wish would
made more progress on was.
What was was immigration we
developed a merit based
immigration system I got called
in after year to a game that
read about in the book where
Trump does the shutdown I just
got my criminal justice
reformed and I worked so
I read about that almost yeah
sessions tried to stop you
every step of the lot of PHS
sessions McConnell again by the
way the Democrats to John Lewis
tried to stop it.
We work through and it was
really like standing on a ball
and navigating we got it done
incredible 87 votes in the
Senate with an Asterix because
I think Byrd voted again 60’s
pista Tim Scott on something
and Lindsey Graham was in
Afghanistan. SWAT had 89, but
I’m not bitter about that.
But as we get that done Trump
calls me in a couple hours
later and says are you working
on immigration. So Kelly told
not to wear his of looking here
for 2 years. I don’t have a
wall you know Kelly’s failed
me. Bennett’s failed me,
nobody’s got me the
wall Rhine Paul rises
congratulations you’re in
charge of the was it who can.
So so I worked actually with
Nick did a great job and when
he did a great job you
repurpose defense spending it
would give you more 1.4 1.8 you
repurpose defense spending in
order to build the wall.
We we found a lot of different
change under couch cushions
with the federal has done and
actually Stephen Miller is very
helpful it and we we we got
470 miles done by the end and
we had another 300 miles which
would have really secured it
that that the Biden
administration scrapped so but
when he paid for it. We paid
for everything was paid for the
rest in the desert right now
I guess that’s their policy I
don’t understand it and by the
way When I coming from New York
people said the borders in a
phobic its racist is a very
common sense things a physical
barrier to protect your
sovereignty and to allow Border
Patrol agents to have more
utilization but the one that I
also regret was we developed an
amazing merit based immigration
system which it referred to as
the big beautiful door.
We want to welcome people to
the country but he wanted them
to come legally and you want
people who are going to your
GDP grow your wages, not
depress wages and we really
developed an amazing system.
I think would have actually
been phenomenal for for our
country I really hope one day
get simple Anthony Fauci said
this yesterday on our channel
by cut 18.
>> Do you regret.
>> The shutdown the sweeping
shutdown said made
things worse. No I I Neil and
in fact I think we need to make
sure that you listen is
understand. I didn’t shot down
anything. There was a lot of
consideration among the White
House. Task force that we were
reaching
a point with the hospitals such
as in New York City and other
places. We’re being strained to
the point.
But practically being
overwhelmed, you bring us
inside those meetings when he
was he pushing guys to do.
>> So first of all he’s a
master with words and and being
all sides of
things but but I tease in the
beginning the first 15 days
that we did to slot stop the
spread that that made a very
big difference right the hot
that the the rate of growth and
spread of the virus was was
huge the hospitals are running
out of capacity.
And we did not have enough
medical supplies in the country
to deal with it so but by doing
the first 15 days we got people
to kind of stay in place a
little bit more
that enabled us to to stimulate
supplies and get to go through
this in the book how we did it
we were facing improbable
challenges, we’ve got all the
bureaucrats out of the way and
we brought private sector of
the military in
and we just need miracle after
miracle after miracle happen in
order to get the supplies.
We needed at 2 different
places, not right, but how we
did it, but it was very very
improbable those things after
that it
I think the media weaponized
covid against Trump in a very
aggressive way rate think he
did too because he had a lot of
friends in the media you get
yet governor Cuomo says I was
going to I was back during the
administration with Fauci he
spent an awful lot of time
talking with the media again he
was my office once his phone
rings, it’s give shares of Jim
Acosta I write about this said
it’s like
come on man like we’re supposed
to all be on the same team in
this a pandemic let’s put our
jerseys aside and let’s focus
on going and the thing that
frustrate a lot of people to is
that no he was
you know one of the nation’s
foremost experts guys experts
you know quotes because I think
you have a lot of experts in
government who who quite
frankly should be there.
But he’s an expert he’s been in
the task force
we’re scaling the testing as
quickly as possible right and I
was sitting in for a problem
there’s 3 different things that
they can constrain duty their
imagination it’s money Earth’s
gravity. Here we had an amazing
plan which we developed very
quickly. We had unlimited
capital to spend to to to
stimulate it. We had to make
you tips right at that base
which didn’t have enough cue
tips in this country
and I found it was always the
lowest cost item that becomes
your biggest but back in so
we did EPA is we’re working
with American cotton we’re
flying all over the world, but
everyone the world is looking
for the same product.
So we’re scaling as quickly as
we can to make 3 agency to make
the that the transfer media and
so we’re scaling it all up we
figured out miracles to do it.
And he goes on television and
instead of saying we’re doing
this is what we’re doing this
is where we are today, it’s
faster day when the world he
says we’re just not there yet
saying what is this guy
sportscaster like she’s
literally in the meeting he’s
on the task force he was there
even before me I came in to try
to clean up the problem that
they left it.
>> And it’s just it would have
been muted analyst
you need an advocate that was
telling the truth behind the
scenes you can express to the
American people to explain to
them what the problem was
why we were where we were and
what we’re doing to fix it and
why Pete what people to do best
to get there. So I think covid
became very political very
emotional for a lot of people
but.
>> Again I think that you know
operation warp speed that we
didn’t in this book which can
you know he said couldn’t be
done to year and a half.
We ended up getting a vaccine.
The fastest vaccine history
because president Trump came in
and said get it done we hire
the right people we cut all the
bureaucracy out
and the Lancet just published a
study that said that that save
20 million live. Well look I I
that’s all true
and I know when the president
says he gets booing as brings
up the vaccines. He says why
people booing me at these
events we bring up the vaccine.
>> So if you tell the people take the vaccine were so show you the study is still my
decision. When you tell us take
the vaccine, you’re fired take
the vaccine or you’re not
allowed in. That’s when the
American people just can’t get
their head around
it some overreacting get to
mass and 5 vaccines and 6
boosters in others don’t do you
agree
with that. A 1000% we were
never for vaccines. We never We
were never 4 mandates we never
impose mandates.
>> But I do think that the
vaccine. What was a miracle I
think it was it was safe at
least the first iteration I
thought it was very effective
historically affected. But it
should definitely be up to
people whether they choose to
you and you have to zoom in to
people that it’s a now the
vaccine is not to be as
effective as a variant so
worried about so the minister
tells go to work anyway and
they get it and they get 2 or 3
times. Anthony Fauci got the
president got everyone’s
getting it. That’s what I think
credibility got lost in and
politics dug in so Leslie.
Jared in writing this book.
What the
president say the read all of
it that he said you summarize
it we worried about him reading
it so so I didn’t show it to
him beforehand because I really
wanted to be my But I do think
that I was
able to show people a lot of
very intimate moments. I think
that people are we speculating
on what Trump is like and I we
see the truth is hiding in
plain sight, but
but I wanted people to say in
another criticism people give
of him as they’ll say OK I love
his policies, but I was she
would be act like a normal
person why we see if he acted
like a normal he probably would
have been president and I think
that he probably would have
been a successful as president
he was so but I want people
to do in this book is read it
and then really judge for
themselves. How Trump used his
unique personality and his
unique outsider approach
to take on a Washington that
was very hostile that.
Yeah, I think our founding
fathers designed a great
system, but it needed a shock
to the system he was that
shock. I think he got better
and better at it as he went
and what he said to me when I
gave it to us. He said look
this is a very important book
I’m glad that somebody wrote a
book that’s really going to
talk about what actually
happened in the room
and he says I’m going to read
it so he started reading it
does give me some compliments
on it
so far and again I hope he’s
proud of it. I don’t know feel
like anything guys couldn’t
have really different. But you
respect how different both of
you are with each other is that
that comes across clearly how
it feels about you in the job
he gave you thanks and I always
notice that there was only one
of us that was elected it was
him and so I disagreed I was
grateful that he gave me the
opportunity but I was an
advisor sometimes he listens
sometimes he didn’t but we have