NEWSROOM. THAT’S ANDREA, WITHOUT A DOUBT.
>> ON THAT NOTE I HAVE TO DO MY
SHOW.
SHOW. BYE.
BYE. >> BYE.
>> BYE. >> THE PRESSURE IS BUILDING ON
PRESIDENT TRUMP THAT THERE MAY
BE EVIDENCE LINKING HIM TO THAT
TRUMP TOWER MEETING AND LINKS
HIM TO COLLUDING WITH RUSSIA.
THERE’S MORE BAD NEWS FROM TRUMP
BUT COMES FROM HIS OWN CURRENT
LAWYER, RUDY GUILLIANI.
TO THINK ABOUT HOW TONIGHT IS SO
REVEALING ABOUT THE MOOD AT THE
WHITE HOUSE, QUITE DARK.
IF YOU’RE ACCUSED OF MURDER, THE
BEST DEFENSE IS USUALLY DENIAL,
I DIDN’T DO IT.
IF THAT BECOMES IMPOSSIBLE TO
CLAIM BECAUSE THERE IS STRONG
EVIDENCE THAT YOU DID KILL
SOMEONE, THEN THE NEXT OFFENSE
TYPICALLY IN LAW BECOMES
JUSTIFICATION.
JUSTIFICATION. I DID IT, BUT IT’S NOT A CRIME,
BECAUSE THE KILLING WAS IN
SELF-DEFENSE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND
THEN IT’S NOT A CRIME, KILLING A
TERRORIST ON 9/11 IS NOT A
CRIME, IN FACT, IT’S HER ROISM.
KEEP THOSE DEFENSES IN MIND.
WHEN YOU HEAR GUILIANI’S NEW
DEFENSE, HE’S NOT SAYING NO
COLLUSION, HE’S SAYING COLLUSION
IS NOT A CRIME.
>> I HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE
LOOKING UNDER THE FEDERAL CODE.
COLLUSION IS NOT A CRIME.
>> I’M NOT SURE THAT’S A CRIME.
THE HACKING IS THE CRIME.
>> GUILIANI MAY NOT ALWAYS SOUND
THAT COGENT OR COORDINATED.
LOOK, HE IS ON THIS MEDIA BLITZ
FOR THE WHITE HOUSE FROM THE
PAST STRATEGY, AVOIDING
MENTIONING BOB MUELLER BY NAME,
DONALD TRUMP SAYING BOB MUELLER
HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
>> WHAT’S HE REFERRING TO?
>> A DISPUTE I IMAGINE HE
DISCLOSED IT TO ROSENSTEIN WHEN
HE APPOINTED HIM BECAUSE IT
INVOLVED SOMETHING LAST YEAR
WASN’T SETTLED TO THIS DAY.
THAT’S UP TO THE PRESIDENT AND
MUELLER TO DESCRIBE.
>> WHAT’S THE CONFLICT?
>> I CAN’T TELL YOU.
>> ARE YOU SAYING THE BUSINESS
CONFLICT MUELLER AND PRESIDENT
TRUMP HAD, IS THAT ABOUT HIS
GOLF COURSE.
GOLF COURSE. >> I’M NOT GOING TO GO ANY
FURTHER.
FURTHER. >> HE’S NOT GOING FURTHER ON
THAT.
THAT. THERE WERE SOME SPECIFICS WHEN
GUILIANI TALKED ABOUT OTHER
ALLEGED MEETINGS BEFORE THE
TRUMP TOWER MEETING.
>> THE MEETING WITH THE
RUSSIANS, HOW CAN YOU BE SURE
THAT THE PRESIDENT DIDN’T KNOW
BEFORE.
BEFORE. IT’S HE SAID SHE SAID.
>> NOBODY CAN BE SURE OF
ANYTHING.
ANYTHING. IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS YOU
HAVE TWO THINGS THAT ARGUE
AGAINST COHEN.
AGAINST COHEN. TWO-ON-ONE -- SORRY, THREE
THINGS.
THINGS. THEN YOU GET TO THE OTHER
MEETING HE SAYS HE WAS AT THE
PRESIDENT WASN’T AT, THREE TO
FOUR ON ONE AND THEN HE ADDED OR
LANNY DAVIS ADDED THERE WAS A
MEETING TWO DAYS BEFORE THE
MEETING TOOK PLACE WITH DONALD
JUNIOR, JARED, MANAFORT AND TWO
OTHERS, GATES AND ONE MORE
PERSON.
PERSON. >> THAT’S A REAL MEETING?
YOU’RE SAYING --
>> THAT’S A REAL MEETING ON
ANOTHER PROVABLE SUBJECT.
>> IF THERE WAS A REAL
PRE-MEETING IT HASN’T BEEN
DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC.
HOURS LATER, GUILIANI SAYS THIS
PHANTOM MEETING, IF YOU WANT TO
CALL IT THAT, WAS INVESTIGATED
RECENTLY BY TWO PUBLICATIONS BUT
THE MEETING NEVER HAPPENED.
>> HAD AN ALLEGED MEETING THREE
DAYS BEFORE, ACCORDING TO COHEN
OR ACCORDING TO THE LEAK, MAYBE
COHEN WILL WITHDRAW THIS, I
DON’T KNOW, THEY HAVEN’T PURSUED
IT, THE TWO PUBLICATIONS WON’T
PUBLISH IT, I THINK THEY SOUND
LIKE AN INDEPENDENT
CONTRADICTIONS.
CONTRADICTIONS. HE SAYS THERE WAS A MEETING WITH
DONALD JUNIOR WITH JARED KUSHNER
AND PAUL MANAFORT AND DEATHSGATE
POSSIBLY TWO OTHERS OUT OF THE
PRESENCE OF THE PRESIDENT,
DISCUSSED THE RUSSIANS.
WE CHECKED WITH THEIR LAWYERS,
THE ONES WE COULD CHECK WITH,
FOUR OF THE SIX, THAT MEETING
NEVER EVER TOOK PLACE.
DIDN’T HAPPEN, A FIGMENT OF HIS
IMAGINATION OR IS LYING.
>> LET’S DEAL WITH THE FIGMENTS
CLEARLY.
CLEARLY. GUILIANI SAYS THE ONLY REASON HE
BROUGHT UP THIS OTHER MEETING HE
SAYS DID NOT HAPPEN, THAT HE
WANTED TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF A
LEAK.
LEAK. RUDDY IS SAYING MICHAEL’S BIG
SECRET EVIDENCE, IF HE HAS IT,
IS ACTUALLY NOTHING.
YOU CAN THINK OF THIS ATTACK
THAT IS AN ARGUMENT, MICHAEL
COHEN IS LIKE GERALDO BUT GOING
TO OPEN THIS FAMOUS VAULT AND
THE VAULT IS ACTUALLY EMPTY, NO
MEETING.
MEETING. GUILIANI’S RIGHT, IF MICHAEL
COHEN’S BIG VAULT OF EVIDENCE
DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING IN IT THAT
WILL DEAL WITH THE PROBE, WE’LL
SEE.
SEE. MICHAEL COHEN AND LANNY DAVIS
ARE NOT GERALDO, THEY’RE NOT
STANDING IN FRONT OF A VAULT.
THIS WHOLE THING IS WEIRD WHY
WE’RE REACHING FOR WEIRD
REFERENCES.
REFERENCES. HOW DO YOU ACCUSE SOMEONE GOING
FULL GERALDO, PROMISING A VAULT,
IN THIS CASE, A MEETING, WHEN
THEY HAVEN’T DONE IT AND THERE’S
NO VAULT.
NO VAULT. I BEGIN WITH THIS ABSURD LINE OF
QUESTIONING.
QUESTIONING. MEMBER OF THE "NEW YORK TIMES"
EDITORIAL REVIEW BOARD AND "WALL
STREET JOURNAL" AND FORMER TOP
AIDE TO HILLARY CLINTON AND CEO
OF THE CENTER FOR AMERICAN
PROGRESS.
PROGRESS. SHELBY, LET ME START WITH YOU.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN RUDY
GUILIANI SAYS MICHAEL COHEN
MIGHT COME FORWARD IN FRONT OF
THIS VAULT BUT THE VAULT IS
EMPTY AND YET WE’RE AT A PERIOD
IN THIS DEBATE MICHAEL COHEN
HAVEN’T DONE THAT.
>> THERE IS A LOT OF WAYS TO
INTERPRET WHAT RUDY GUILIANI IS
SAYING BUT IN THE PAST HE’S COME
OUT TO GET AHEAD OF OTHER
STORIES TO STORMY DANIELS AND
IT’S BEEN HIS JOB TO LEAK
INFORMATION TO DO DAMAGE CONTROL
WHEN THE INFORMATION DOES COME
IT.
IT. IT’S UNCLEAR BECAUSE HE IS ON
SOME NETWORKS DENYING THIS
MEETING TOOK PLACE BUT ON CNN IT
WAS A LITTLE MORE CONFUSING WHEN
HE SEEMED TO SAY IT WAS A
MEETING OR FOUR AGAINST ONE OR
FIVE AGAINST ONE IN TERMS OF I
DON’T KNOW WHETHER THAT MEETING
TOOK PLACE OR WHAT WAS SAID AT
THE MEETING.
THE MEETING. HE’S CONFUSING A LOT OF PEOPLE.
ANOTHER THING RUDY COULD BE
DOING IS TAKE AWAY THE LEVERAGE
MICHAEL COHEN HAS IF HE WANTS TO
COOPERATE WITH PROSECUTORS.
WHAT HE HAS TO OFFER MIGHT BE
TAKEN AWAY BY RUDY PUBLICLY AND
THE TAPES FROM GUILIANI AND
TRUMP AND QUITE FRANKLY, THEY’RE
VERY SCARED OF HIM.
>> I WOULD HAVE A SIMILAR
INTERPRETATION.
INTERPRETATION. I GUESS I WOULD SAY OVERALL WHAT
GUILIANI IS TRYING TO DO, IT
SEEMS TO ME, MUDDY UP THE WATER
AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, SO WHEN A
BOMBSHELL DOES COME OUT, IT
SOUNDS LIKE IT IS A LITTLE BIT
OLD NEWS.
OLD NEWS. HE CONTRADICTED HIMSELF A LOT
TODAY.
TODAY. THE FACT HE CONCEDED COLLUSION
WHEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES HAS BEEN SAYING THERE IS
NO COLLUSION IS AN IMPORTANT
FACT.
FACT. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATION, THE END OF THE
DAY THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYER
ADMITTED, AT LEAST FOR A TIME
TODAY, THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES COLLUDED WITH THE
RUSSIANS TO HELP WIN HIS
ELECTION.
ELECTION. I KNOW HE WANTS TO SAY -- THE
QUESTION BEFORE MUELLER IS THE
CRIMINALITY, ABSOLUTELY, THE
FACT THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYER HAS
CONCEDED COLLUSION WITH THE
RUSSIANS TO GET HIMSELF ELECTED,
I THINK MOST AMERICANS WOULD SEE
THAT AS A PRETTY BIG BOMBSHELL
IN AND OF ITSELF --
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> -- A FACT WE SHOULD BE DEEPLY
ANXIOUS ABOUT THE LEGITIMACY OF
THIS PRESIDENT.
THIS PRESIDENT. >> THAT’S UP ON YOUR SCREEN, YOU
SEE THIS NEWS SCREEN AND SEE
GUILIANI SAYS COLLUDING WITH
RUSSIA IS NOT A CRIME.
THAT’S A BAD THING, WHETHER
COLLUDING WITH RUSSIA OR IRAN OR
WHOMEVER, THAT’S A BAD THING NOW
BEING SOLD AS NOT A CRIME.
WE HAVE DONE REPORTING ON THIS
SHOW AND I THINK FOLKS ARE AWARE
DEPENDING WHAT THE COLLUSION
ENTAILS IT CAN BE A CRIME
BECAUSE AN INTERNATIONAL
CONSPIRACY TO GET A THING OF
VALUE OR IMPACT AN ELECTION IS
CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, IT DEPENDS
WHO KNEW WHAT WHERE OR WHEN.
AS EXPERIENCED AS YOU ARE OF THE
CAMPAIGN OF MEDIA WHERE THESE
THINGS PLAY OUT, LET’S LOOK WHY
GUILIANI SAYS HE IS THE FIRST
MOVER BRINGING UP THE
PRE-MEETING GERALDO SAME THING.
TAKE A LISTEN.
>> WHY DO I MENTION IT?
BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, I THOUGHT
IT WAS GOING TO COME OUT.
SECOND, MY EXPERIENCE IS WHEN
YOU HAVE STUFF LIKE THIS
FLOATING AROUND IT COMES OUT.
I DON’T WANT IT TO COME OUT AND
BE UNREBUTTED WHEN IT ORIGINALLY
COMES OUT.
COMES OUT. >> GOT IT.
>> PART OF WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO
DO HERE, THE JURY FOR THIS CASE
IS THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.
>> NEERA, GIVEN YOU’RE DISCLOSED
AS AN OPPONENT TO HIM, HE SEEMS
TO BE TELLING THE TRUTH THERE
HOW HE VIEWS THIS AND HIS
MOTIVATIONS.
MOTIVATIONS. >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. LOOK, THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE LONG
NATIONAL NIGHTMARE OF THIS
INVESTIGATION WHERE THE
PRESIDENT HAS SEEMINGLY LIED
REGULARLY, WHAT’S OBVIOUS IS
THAT THE TRUMP LEGAL TEAM IS
THEIR FOREMOST GOAL IS INDICT
THE PROSECUTION AND DRIVE
OPPOSITION TO THE PROSECUTION,
MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR
REPUBLICANS TO ACT BECAUSE IT’S
SEEN THROUGH A PARTISAN LENS,
AND IT’S ALMOST AS IF THEY
CONCEDE ON SOME LEVEL THAT
THEY’RE GUILTY AND THEIR GOAL IS
JUST TO MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR A
JURY TO CONVICT.
LIKE IN A NORMAL TRIAL, WHAT
THIS WOULD BE SEEN AS TRYING TO
TAMPER WITH THE JURY POOL.
I THINK IN SOME WAY THAT IS WHAT
GUILIANI IS CONFESSING TO,
TRYING TO THROW UP AS MUCH MUD
AS POSSIBLE SO AMERICAN PEOPLE
ARE CONFUSED WITH WHATEVER
MUELLER COMES OUT WITH.
LET’S BE CANDID, DO YOU THAT
WHEN YOU’RE GUILTY, NOT WHEN
YOU’RE INNOCENT.
YOU’RE INNOCENT. >> YOU KNOW, I’M STRUCK BY
SOMETHING RUDY SAID.
HE SAID NOBODY CAN BE SURE OF
ANYTHING.
ANYTHING. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS
ALMOST PUTINESQUE.
ALMOST PUTINESQUE. >> LIKE ARE WE EVEN HERE RIGHT
NOW, MAN?
NOW, MAN? IS THIS HAPPENING?
>> IS THERE TRUTH OR IS THERE
TRUTH?
TRUTH? >> MAYBE WE’RE STILL IN CLASS
AND THIS IS A DREAM.
>> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY. >> YOU’RE RIGHT.
THAT’S A PUTIN TALKING POINT.
A VERY GOOD POINT.
>> THAT’S VERY NEFARIOUS.
RUDY GUILIANI AND THE PRESIDENT,
TOO, THEY HAVE A LONG HISTORY
OF, YOU KNOW, USING NEW YORK
CITY TABLOIDS TO DO THE SAME
THING.
THING. YOU FIGHT FOR -- YOU FIGHT IN
THE PUBLIC ARENA.
SO WHAT YOU CAN’T DO IN THE
COURTROOM, YOU TRY AND DO, YOU
KNOW, IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC
OPINION.
OPINION. I THINK THIS IS THE CASE WHERE
THEY SEEM VERY WORRIED ABOUT
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE
COURTROOM.
COURTROOM. >> ABOUT THE REAL STUFF.
>> THAT’S RIGHT.
THEY CAN’T CONTROL THAT, RIGHT?
THEY’RE DOING WHAT THEY DO BEST,
THROW A PR BLITZ AND SEW ENOUGH
DOUBT IF NOT THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE, THEIR BASE, TO PREVENT
THE POLITICAL FALL-OUT.
THERE’S A LEGAL PROCESS HERE.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOMETHING
LIKE IMPEACHMENT FOR EXAMPLE,
THAT’S A POLITICAL PROCESS, NOT
A LEGAL ONE.
THEY ARE LASER FOCUSED ON THAT.
>> ONE MORE THING WHILE I HAVE
MARA, I WANT YOU TO TAKE A
LISTEN TO ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI, A
PRETTY LOYAL TRUMP AIDE BUT GOES
QUITE FAR TO TRY TO AVOID
APPARENTLY LYING BECAUSE IF YOU
WATCH THIS CLOSELY, HE’S OF THE
VIEW, OF COURSE TRUMP WOULD HAVE
BEEN BRIEFED ABOUT THE TRUMP
TOWER MEETING WITH EVERYTHING WE
KNOW.
KNOW. >> YOU REALLY FIND IT CREDIBLE
DONALD TRUMP JR., JARED KUSHNER,
PAUL MANAFORT WOULD HAVE GOTTEN
ALL THIS DIRT ON HILLARY CLINTON
TO USE AGAINST HER AND WOULDN’T
HAVE TOLD HIM ABOUT IT?
THAT SOUNDS CREDIBLE TO YOU?
>> I THINK, COULD HE HAVE KNOWN
AFTER THE FACT, I THINK IT’S
POSSIBLE.
POSSIBLE. I DO THINK IT’S POSSIBLE.
IF YOU CHECK SOURCES INSIDE THE
WHITE HOUSE AND CHECK SOURCES
INSIDE THAT CAMPAIGN, THE LEVEL
OF FOURNETTETY SIMS, I THINK
THAT’S POSSIBLE.
THAT’S POSSIBLE. I UNDERSTAND THE PUSHBACK WHY
PEOPLE THINK IT ISN’T POSSIBLE.
>> WHATEVER ANYBODY THINKS OF
ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI, A HARVARD
TRAINED LAWYER USING THE WORD
POSSIBLE FOR NOT DIRECTLY LYING
AND SAYS THAT PUTS HIM CLOSER
AND HOW WE GOT HERE AND THERE IS
A FREAK-OUT TONIGHT PUTS HIM
CLOSER TO ADVANCE KNOWLEDGE OF A
POTENTIAL CONSPIRACY.
POTENTIAL CONSPIRACY. >> WE’RE AT A POINT NOW EVERY
PERSON IN AMERICA NEEDS TO
DECIDE FOR HIMSELF OR HERSELF,
ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE WHAT’S
IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES OR ARE YOU
GOING TO SEE THINGS THROUGH
PARTISANSHIP OR TRIBALISM IN
SOME NEVER-NEVERLAND.
SOME NEVER-NEVERLAND. I THINK UNFORTUNATELY THAT’S
WHERE WE’VE COME TO.
WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME
OF THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION IS
YET.
YET. THAT’S FINE, LET THAT PROCESS
PLAY OUT.
PLAY OUT. >> WE DON’T.
>> WE DO HAVE OTHER REPORTING
AND INDICTMENTS TAKEN PLACE SO
FAR WE DON’T NEED TO BELIEVE THE
PRESIDENT WHEN HE CALLS THIS A
WITCH HUNT.
WITCH HUNT. WE KNOW THAT’S NOT THE CASE.
LET’S JUST STICK TO THE FACTS.
>> ONE OTHER THING
ANTETOKOUNMPONYANT
-- ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI, HE CAME ONTO THE RUSSIAN SIDE TO SAY
HANG THERE IN SO THERE’S A
REASON TO BELIEVE HE KNOWS A LOT
ABOUT THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING
AND WHAT HAPPENED AFTER IT
BECAME PUBLIC.
BECAME PUBLIC. THE POSSIBLE WORD IS VERY
IMPORTANT HERE.
IMPORTANT HERE. >> ANYTHING YOU WANT TO GET IN?
>> A VERY IMPORTANT THING FOR
THE ISSUE OF TRIBALISM, THE
GROUND HAS SHIFTED IN THIS
INVESTIGATION POST THE PUTIN
MEETING.
MEETING. BEFORE THAT, I DON’T THINK A LOT
OF PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD HOW MUCH
DONALD TRUMP SEEMED TO BE AT THE
BECK AND CALL OF PUTIN.
WE COULD HAVE FACTS ABOUT THIS
ALLEGED CRIMINALITY OR ALLEGED
CONSPIRACY, BUT PEOPLE DIDN’T
REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
STAKES WERE.
STAKES WERE. THEN, DONALD TRUMP DECIDED TO
HAVE A MEETING WITH PUTIN IN
WHICH HE REALLY DID SEEM TO
BELIEVE VLADAMIR PUTIN OVER OUR
OWN INTELLIGENCE FORCES OR
INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES AND
DECIDED TO DEFER AND SEEMED VERY
WEAK TO PUTIN.
I THINK HE REALLY DEMONSTRATED
TO PEOPLE WHAT THE QUID PRO QUO
SITUATION IS HERE.
HE’S ACTED GUILTY IN EVERYONE’S
EYES.
EYES. I THINK, IF YOU’VE SEEN THE
POLLING SINCE THAT MEETING,
THERE’S MUCH MORE SUPPORT FOR
MUELLER.
MUELLER. EVEN REPUBLICANS, NOT A
MAJORITY, BUT A PRETTY GOOD
MINORITY OF REPUBLICANS THINK
THERE IS SOMETHING REALLY WEIRD
GOING ON.
GOING ON. I THINK THIS HAS DRAMATICALLY
SHIFTED, IRONICALLY ENOUGH BY
DONALD TRUMP’S OWN PERFORMANCE.
>> YOU’RE MAKING AN IMPORTANT
POINT I’D LIKE YOU TO BUILD ON.
THE PROBLEM WITH CONSPIRACY
THEORIES IS THEY REQUIRE
COMMITMENT CONTRA THE EVIDENCE.
SO OVER TIME, EVEN WHEN
DISCREDITED, THEY LOOK MORE AND
MORE RIDICULOUS.
MORE RIDICULOUS. BUT EVEN FOR PEOPLE INCLINED TO
GIVE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, FOR
WHATEVER REASON, PROCEDURAL DUE
PROCESS FAIRNESS, A FOUND SEXY
WORD TO USE IN THE NEWS OR
BECAUSE THEY LOVE DONALD TRUMP,
EVEN IF YOU’RE INCLINED TO GIVE
THE BENEFIT OF THE DOWN, THAT
WAS 2016, THEY WERE
INEXPERIENCED, YATTA YATTA.
2018, NOT SO INEXPERIENCED, HAS
THE FULL BENEFIT OF THE NATIONAL
SECURITY APPARATUS AND CONTINUES
TO GO IN, IN AN IN-PERSON PUBLIC
FORUM WITH THE PRESIDENT OF
RUSSIA KNOWN TO BE A KILLER AND
HAVE HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES BY THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND CONTINUE
TO TAKE THAT SIDE OVER THE U.S.,
HOW DOES ONE LOOK AT THIS AND
SAY, IT’S A CONSPIRACY THEORY,
THERE’S NO SUPPORT FOR IT, IT
SEEMS TO BE GOING ON ACTIVELY
BEFORE OUR EYES.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. LET’S POINT OUT, IF DONALD TRUMP
DID ACT IMPROPERLY WITH THE
RUSSIANS, OBVIOUSLY, VLADAMIR
PUTIN WOULD KNOW THAT.
THE WEIRD THING ABOUT THIS WHOLE
SITUATION IS TRUMP BEHAVES THAT
WAY.
WAY. HE BEHAVES AS IF THE RUSSIANS
HAVE INFORMATION ON HIM.
EVERY POLITICAL ADVISORY IN THE
WORLD WOULD SAY, GO HAVE A
MEETING WITH PUTIN AND ACT TOUGH
WITH PUTIN.
WITH PUTIN. DEFEND AMERICA’S INTERESTS.
HE ATTACKS ALL OUR ALLIES YET
ALMOST COWERS IN FRONT OF PUTIN.
TO AMERICANS LIVING THEIR LIVES,
THAT BEHAVIOR WAS INEXPLICABLE
EXCEPT FOR THE NOTION PUTIN HAS
SOMETHING ON HIM, OR THERE IS
SOMETHING TO THE STORY.
HE REALLY DID PROVE, IN A SENSE,
GIVE EVIDENCE IN PEOPLE’S MINDS
TO BELIEVING THE WHOLE ARRAY OF
ILLEGAL ACTS IN FRONT OF US.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. LISTENING TO YOU, I FEEL MORE
INFORMED BUT I DON’T FEEL
BETTER.
BETTER. >> NOTHING -- NOTHING IS -- PART
OF THIS WILL MAKE YOU FEEL