HE SAID HE HAD LIVER CANCER
INSTEAD, BUT THATS NOT LIKELY
WHAT HE DIED FROM.
35 YEARS AGO TODAY, DONALD
TRUMPS LAWYER ROY COHN WAS
DISBARRED FOR DISHONESTLY,
FRAUD, DECEIT, AND
MISREPRESENTATION.
ONE OF THE WEIRD SIDEBARS OF THE
TRUMP PRESIDENCY AND IN FACT THE
RUSSIA INVESTIGATION WAS THAT WE
LEARNED A LOT ABOUT HOW MUCH
DONALD TRUMP AS PRESIDENT USED
TO WAX RHAPSODIC ABOUT HOW MUCH
HE MISSED ROY COHN AND HOW MUCH
HE WISHED HIS CURRENT LAWYERS
WERE MORE LIKE ROY COHN.
THIS FOR EXAMPLE WAS FROM THE
LONG SOUGHT CONGRESSIONAL
TESTIMONY OF TRUMPS WHITE HOUSE
COUNSEL, DON McGAHN.
QUOTE, DID THE PRESIDENT RAISE
THE ISSUE OF WHY YOU TOOK NOTES
DURING MEETINGS?
ANSWER, YES, YES, HE DID.
HE ASKED WHY DO I TAKE NOTES.
WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO THAT?
HIS SIDE OF THE STORY IS, WHAT
ARE THESE NOTES.
LAWYERS DONT TAKE NOTES.
NEVER HAD A LAWYER TAKE NOTES.
I SAID, LOOK, I TAKE NOTES
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IM A REAL
LAWYER.
REAL LAWYERS TAKE NOTES.
ITS WAY TO KEEP TRACK OF
THINGS.
HE INVOKED, YOU KNOW, ROY COHN,
APPARENTLY DIDNT TAKE NOTES.
QUESTION, IT WAS YOUR
UNDERSTANDING THAT HE THOUGHT
GREAT LAWYERS LIKE ROY COHN DID
NOT TAKE NOTES?
ANSWER, HE SAID THAT, YES.
NOT ONLY DID I THINK THAT, I
HEARD HIM SAY THAT.
YES.
THIS WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT
ROY COHN HAS SORT OF THE GHOST
OF ROY HAD COME INTO THE OVAL
OFFICE.
SO IT DIDNT SEEM TO BE A POINT
WORTH RESPONDING TO.
AND YOU KNOW, HES THE
PRESIDENT.
HE GETS THE LAST WORD.
QUESTION, WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION
TO BEING COMPARED TO ROY COHN?
ANSWER, MY REACTION, WELL, THIS
WASNT THE FIRST TIME.
YOU KNOW, I REALLY DIDNT WANT
TO BE COMPARED WITH ROY COHN.
>> WHY NOT?
I DIDNT WANT TO BE COMPARED TO
ROY COHN IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR
FORM.
I UNDERSTAND HE WAS, YOU KNOW, A
BRILLIANT LAWYER IN CERTAIN WAYS
BUT HE HAD SOME ETHICAL TROUBLE
LATER IN HIS CAREER.
BY ETHICAL TROUBLE, DO YOU MEAN
HE WAS DISBARRED FOR UNETHICAL
CONDUCT?
ANSWER, YES, YES.
I MAY HAVE MENTIONED AT SOME
POINT IN SOME OF THESE
EXCHANGES, I DONT RECALL
SPECIFICALLY, BUT ROY COHN WAS
NOT REALLY MY ROLE MODEL.
SO SAYING I WAS NO ROY COHN IN A
WEIRD WAY, I THOUGHT THATS
GOOD.
HE DOESNT THINK IM NAT SORT OF
LAWYER.
QUESTION, BUT THE PRESIDENT WAS
SUGGESTING YOU SHOULD BE MORE
LIKE ROY COHN, WHO WAS A GREAT
LAWYER, CORRECT?
ANSWER, WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK
HE HAD ALREADY MADE HIS POINT
THAT HE REALLY HAD A FONDNESS
FOR ROY COHN.
ON THIS DATE 35 YEARS AGO, ROY
COHN WAS DISBARRED.
ANOTHER ONE OF PRESIDENT TRUMPS
PERSONAL LAWYERS, MICHAEL COHEN,
WOULD OF COURSE GO ON AFTER THAT
TO ALSO BE DISBARRED, IN THIS
CASE, A CONSEQUENCE OF MR. COHEN
BEING CONVICTED OF MULTIPLE
FELONIES INCLUDING A FELONY
CAMPAIGN FINANCE HUSH MONEY
SCHEME THAT FEDERAL PROSECUTORS
SAY HE WAS DIRECTED TO COMMIT BY
FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, WHO THEY
CALLED INDIVIDUAL ONE IN THAT
CASE.
SO PRESIDENT TRUMPS PERSONAL
LAWYER IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION
LAWYER, ROY COHN, DISBARRED.
PRESIDENT TRUMPS PERSONAL
LAWYER AND TRUMP ORGANIZATION
LAWYER MICHAEL COHEN DISBARRED.
TODAY, ON THE 35-YEAR
ANNIVERSARY OF ROY COHNS
DISBARMENT, YET ANOTHER PERSONAL
ATTORNEY FOR DONALD TRUMP BEING
SUSPENDED.
SUSPENDED BY THE STATE OF NEW
YORK FROM THE PRACTICE OF LAW
PENDING A PROCEEDING WHICH WILL
DECIDE IF HES PERMANENTLY
DISBARRED.
RUDY GIULIANIS LAW LICENSE WAS
SUSPENDED TODAY IN THE NEW YORK
STATE COURT.
THEY SAID, QUOTE, WE CONCLUDE
THERE IS UNCONROVERTED EVIDENCE
THAT RESPONDED CONVEYED
MISLEADING AND FALSE STATEMENTS
TO THE COURTS AND THE PUBLIC AT
LARGE IN HIS CAPACITY AS LAWYER
FOR TRUMP AND THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN.
THESE FALSE STATEMENTS WERE MADE
TO IMPROPERLY BOLSTER
RESPONDENTS NARRATIVE THAT DUE
TO WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD,
VICTORY IN THE 2020 U.S.
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WAS STOLEN
FROM HIS CLIENT.
WE CONCLUDE THAT RESPONDENTS
CONDUCT IMMEDIATELY THREATENS
THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
AND WARRANTS INTERIM SUSPENSION
FROM THE PRACTICE OF LAW PENDING
FURTHER PROCEEDINGS.
NOW, THE PENDING FURTHER
PROCEEDINGS PART THERE IS
IMPORTANT.
MR. GIULIANIS LICENSE TO
PRACTICE LAW IS SUPENDED.
HES NOT PERMANENTLY DISBARRED,
AT LEAST NOT AT THIS POINT.
HE MAY YET HAVE HEARINGS BEFORE
THE COURT AT WHICH HE CAN
CONTEST THIS DECISION AND SEEK
TO HAVE HIS LAW LICENSE
REINSTATED.
BUT THE COURT TODAY WENT OUT OF
THEIR WAY IN THIS UNANIMOUS
OPINION TO SAY THEY DONT THINK
HES GOING TO PREVAIL, EVEN
AFTER THERE ARE HEARINGS.
THEY SAID, QUOTE, WE FIND THAT
THERE IS EVIDENCE OF CONTINUING
MISCONDUCT.
THE UNDERLYING OFFENSE IS
INCREDIBLY SERIOUS, AND THE
UNCONTROVERTED MISCONDUCT IN
ITSELF WILL LIKELY RESULT IN
SUBSTANTIAL PERMANENT SANCTIONS
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THESE
DISCIPLINARY PROCEEDINGS.
SUBSTANTIAL PERMANENT SANCTIONS.
MEANING THIS IS AN INTERIM
SUSPENSION, BUT ULTIMATELY WHEN
WE GET TO THE END OF THIS, HES
LIKELY TO BE DISBARRED.
I THINK WHATS ALMOST HARD TO
WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND, THOUGH,
JUST IN TERMS OF HISTORY HERE,
IS THE CONSISTENCY OVER TIME.
HOW MUCH WHAT RUDY GIULIANI IS
TODAY FOUND TO HAVE DONE, WHAT
HE LOST HIS LAW LICENSE FOR
TODAY, HOW MUCH OF IT IS WHAT
ROY COHN GOT FAMOUS FOR DOING IN
THE 1950s WITH JOE McCARTHY.
I MEAN, GO BACK TO THE MOVIE.
GO BACK TO MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE.
THERES THE JOE McCARTHY
STAND-IN IN THE MOVIE.
HES ACTUALLY KIND OF LITERALLY
QUOTING JOE McCARTHY FROM REAL
LIFE.
BUT YOU KNOW, HES TALKING ABOUT
THESE SUPPOSED EXACT NUMBER OF
COMMUNISTS THAT HE HAS FERRETED
OUT AND HE KNOWS THE TRUTH
ABOUT, AND HES DEMANDING
ANSWERS FOR.
EVEN IF HE COULDNT KEEP THE
NUMBERS STRAIGHT, SINCE HE HAD
MADE THEM UP.
STILL, IT SOUNDS GOOD WHEN YOU
CITE SPECIFIC NUMBERS.
IT SOUNDS BETTER WHEN YOU CAN
REMEMBER WHAT THE NUMBER WAS.
BUT STILL, IT LANDS WITH A GOOD
EFFECT.
IN RUDY GIULIANIS LOSS OF HIS
LAW LICENSE TODAY, ITS ACTUALLY
THE EXACT SAME THING.
THE COURT TODAY FOUND THAT HE,
FOR EXAMPLE, MADE UP WILDLY
DIFFERENT, INCONSISTENT, AND ALL
FAKE NUMBERS OF SUPPOSEDLY DEAD
PEOPLE WHO SUPPOSEDLY VOTED IN
PHILADELPHIA.
QUOTE, RESPONDENT REPEATEDLY
STATED THAT DEAD PEOPLE VOTED IN
PHILADELPHIA IN ORDER TO
DISCREDIT THE RESULTS OF THE
VOTE IN THAT CITY.
HE QUANTIFIED THE AMOUNT OF DEAD
PEOPLE WHO VOTED AT VARIOUS
TIMES AS 8,021.
WHILE ALSO REPORTING THE NUMBER
AS 30,000.
MR. GIULIANI, ACCORDING TO THE
COURT, ALSO MADE UP WILDLY
DIVERGENT, TOTALLY DIFFERENT,
VERY SPECIFIC NUMBERS OF
ALLEGEDLY UNDERAGED ILLEGAL
VOTERS IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA.
QUOTE, AT VARIOUS TIMES, THE
RESPONDENT CLAIMS THAT 65,000 OR
66,000 OR 165,000 UNDERAGED
VOTERS ILLEGALLY VOTED IN THE
GEORGIA 2020 ELECTION.
THE GEORGIA OFFICE OF THE
SECRETARY OF STATE UNDERTOOK AN
INVESTIGATION OF THIS CLAIM.
IT COMPARED THE LIST OF ALL THE
PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN GEORGIA TO
THEIR FULL BIRTHDAYS.
THE AUDIT REVEALED THERE WERE
ZERO UNDERAGED VOTERS IN THE
2020 ELECTION.
WHILE A SMALL NUMBER OF VOTERS,
FOUR, HAD REQUESTED A BALLOT
PRIOR TO TURNING 18, ALL FOUR OF
THEM HAD TURNED 18 BY THE TIME
THE ELECTION WAS HELD IN
NOVEMBER 2020.
MR. GIULIANI ALSO APPARENTLY
MADE UP SPECIFIC BUT WILDLY
DIVERGENT AND ALL FAKE NUMBERS
OF SUPPOSEDLY DEAD VOTERS IN
GEORGIA.
QUOTE, RESPONDENT STATED THAT
DEAD PEOPLE VOTED IN GEORGIA
DURING THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION.
HE CLAIMED THAT HE HAD THE NAMES
OF 800 DEAD PEOPLE WHO VOTED
BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE
WHO HAD PASSED AWAY IN 2020.
RESPONDENT FURTHER STATED THAT
THIS NUMBER WASNT 800.
IT WAS REALLY IN THE THOUSANDS.
AT ANOTHER POINT, HE CLAIMED
THAT 6,000 PEOPLE, 6,000
SPECIFICALLY, 6,000 DEAD PEOPLE
HAD VOTED.
ON DECEMBER 20 -- EXCUSE ME,
DECEMBER 22nd, 2020, DURING A
WAR ROOM PODCAST WITH STEVE
BANNON, RESPONDENT GIULIANI
STATED THAT 6,000 DEAD PEOPLE
VOTED.
NOT A MONTH LATER, ON JANUARY
3rd, 2021, DURING AN EPISODE OF
SOMETHING CALLED UNCOVERING THE
TRUTH, RESPONDENT STATED THAT
THE NUMBER OF DEAD PEOPLE WHO
VOTED WAS 10,515.
TWO DAYS LATER, ON JANUARY 5th,
DURING ANOTHER WAR ROOM PODCAST
HOW MANY?
HOW MANY AM I SUPPOSED TO SAY?
FOUR KNOWN COMMUNISTS.
RUDY GIULIANI, RUDY GIULIANI AT
ONE POINT WAS THE NUMBER THREE
OFFICIAL IN THE UNITED STATES
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
RUDY GIULIANI WAS OF COURSE THE
MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY.
HE OF COURSE WAS U.S. ATTORNEY
IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW
YORK.
HE WAS THE TOP FEDERAL
PROSECUTOR IN MANHATTAN.
HE IS NOW UNDER FEDERAL CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATION BY THAT OFFICE
THAT HE USED TO LEAD, AND AS OF
TODAY, HES NO LONGER CURRENTLY
LICENSED TO PRACTICE LAW IN THE
STATE OF NEW YORK.