>>> NOW TO THE THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN SEPARATED
FROM THEIR PARENTS ALONG THE
SOUTHERN BORDER AND PACKED INTO
DOZENS OF SHELTERS.
EVER SINCE THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION ANNOUNCED A ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY THAT SEPARATES
UNDOCUMENTED PARENTS FROM THEIR
KIDS, THE NUMBER OF KIDS IN GOVERNMENT CUSTODY HAS SPIKED.
RIGHT NOW THE HHS IS HOUSING
MORE THAN 11,000 MIGRANT
CHILDREN AND THAT NUMBER IS
GETTING BIGGER EVERY DAY.
IN FACT, THOSE SHELTERS ARE SO
PACKED RIGHT NOW THAT THE
GOVERNMENT IS REPORTEDLY LOOKING
INTO BUILDING, TALK ABOUT
BUDGET, BUILDING TENT CITIES TO
ACCOMMODATE THE OVERFLOW.
MSNBC GOT AN EXTRAORDINARY
FIRSTHAND LOOK AT ONE OF THOSE
SHELTERS, A CONVERTED WALMART. JACOB, TALK US THROUGH THIS.T.
JACOB, TALK US THROUGH THIS. I READ YOUR TWITTER FEED LAST
NIGHT AND IT WAS STUNNING.
SOME OF THESE KIDS ARE 10 YEARS
OLD.
OLD.
THE IMAGES WEVE SEEN, I KNOW YOU COULDNT BRING ANY CAMERAS
IN.
IN.
YOU WERE NOT ALLOWED TO TAPE ANY
OF IT, ANYTHING WEVE SEEN, THE
GOVERNMENT HAS PROVIDED.
THIS DOESNT FEEL LIKE WERE IN
THE UNITED STATES.
>> YES, AND THANKS, BECAUSE I SAW YOU SHARED THAT LAST NIGHT.
THIS IS A STORY THAT NEEDS TO BE
TOLD AND NEEDS TO BE SHEAR EDARE
IVE BEEN INSIDE FEDERAL PRISON. IVE BEEN INSIDE COUNTY JAILS.N.
IVE BEEN INSIDE COUNTY JAILS. THEY CALL THIS A SHELTER BUT
EFFECTIVELY THESE KIDS ARE INCARCERATE THESE KIDS ARE
INCARCERATE INCARCERATED.
INCARCERATED. THESE KIDS ARE INSIDE THIS
FORMER WALMART.
FORMER WALMART.
THERE ARE MORE CHILDREN IN THERE
NOW THAN THERE HAVE EVER BEEN BEFORE.N THERE HAVE EVER BEEN
BEFORE.
THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES INVITED US INSIDE
BECAUSE I THINK THEY WANTED TO
SHOW US RELATIVELY SPEAKING HOW
GOOD THE CONDITIONS ARE.
THERE ARE LICENSED PROFESSIONALS
IN THERE THAT ARE TAKING CARE OF
THE CHILDREN.
THE CHILDREN.
THERE ARE NOT CAGES. THERE ARE NOT FENCES THAT HAVE
BEEN DESCRIBED AT SOME OF THE
BORDER PATROL STATION.
BUT THE REALITY IS THESE KIDS
AND AN INCREASING NUMBER OF THEM
ARE ALONE BECAUSE THEY WERE
RIPPED APART FROM THEIR PARENT
BECAUSE OF THE ZERO TOLERANCE
POLICY FROM THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION.
THEY WALK OUT THERE ON THE YARD AND THEYRE ONLY OUTSIDE -- YARD
AND THEYRE ONLY OUTSIDE -- WERE SHOWING THE OUTSIDE
PICTURES.
PICTURES.
THEYRE ONLY OUTSIDE FOR TWO
HOURS A DAY.
THEYRE INSIDE A FORMER WALMART
22 HOURS A DAY FOR AROUND TWO
MONTHS, IF NOT LONGER.
ITS JAIL OR PRISON-LIKE CONDITIONS WITHOUT THE CELLS IS
THE BEST WAY I COULD DESCRIBE IT
TO YOU.
TO YOU. >> WHAT WAS THE ENVIRONMENT?
WHAT WAS THE TONE?
WHEN YOU AND THOSE KIDS LOOKED
AT ONE ANOTHER?
>> WELL, CHECK THIS OUT.
SO WHEN YOU GO IN, AN OFFICIAL
FROM THE SHELTER SAYS TO YOU, TO
ME, PLEASE SMILE AT THESE KIDS,
THEY DONT SEE PEOPLE FROM
OUTSIDE ALL THAT OFTEN AND THEY
FEEL LIKE ANIMALS IN CAGES BEING
LOOKED AT.
LOOKED AT.
WHICH WAS SHOCKING. TO ACTUALLY HEAR FROM THEM.
BECAUSE THERE ARENT CAGES IN
THERE.
THERE.
BUT THATS THE VIBE. THAT IS WHAT THESE KIDS ARE
GOING THROUGH ON AN EVERYDAY
BASIS.
BASIS.
ITS ORGANIZED CHAOS. THEY HAVE STRUCTURED TIME TO DO
EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING.
BUT ITS A BUNCH OF 10-YEAR-OLD
TO 17-YEAR-OLD BOYS WITHOUT
PARENTS OR FAMILY. AND ITS ONE STAFF MEMBER AT THE
SHELTER FOR EVERY EIGHT KIDS.
SO, I MEAN, JUST BY VIRTUE OF
THE NUMBERS, ITS AN
OVERWHELMING EXPERIENCE.
OVERWHELMING EXPERIENCE. EVEN THOUGH THEYRE GOING TO
CLASS SIX HOURS A DAY AND THEY
GET TO GO OUTSIDE AND MEALS,
ITS BLEAK HONESTLY IS HOW I
WOULD DESCRIBE IT.
>> WELL, WHATS THE PLAN? WHERE ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO GO
FROM HERE?
FROM HERE?
>> THEYRE SUPPOSED TO BE MATCHED WITH A SPONSOR AND THEN
THE SPONSOR IS SUPPOSED TO PICK
THEM UP AND THEN THEY GO TO
IMMIGRATION COURT HEARING.
WE KNOW MANY OF THE SPONSORS
DONT SHOW UP FOR THAT
IMMIGRATION COURT HEARING.
THE CHANGE NOW, AGAIN, IN THIS
SELF-INFLICTED CRISIS AS OUR
COLLEAGUE HAS PUT IT BY THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, MANY OF
THESE KIDS, AN INCREASING NUMBER
ARE UNACCOMPANIED MINORS THAT
ARE RIPPED APART FROM THEIR
PARENTS.
PARENTS.
THEIR PARENTS ARE IN FEDERAL
PRISON.
THEY GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE
THEIR PARENTS ARE BEFORE THEYRE
ABLE TO REUNITE AND GET OUT. THEY DONT KNOW IF THEYLL BE.
THEY DONT KNOW IF THEYLL BE DEPORTED.
DEPORTED.
ALL BECAUSE OF THIS NEW POLICY
BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
THATS DESIGNED TO DETER PEOPLE FROM EVEN TRYING TO GET INTO THE
COUNTRY, WHICH CRITICS SAY
DOESNT EVEN WORK.
>> MY GOODNESS.
ALL RIGHT, JACOB, STAY WITH ME.
EXTRAORDINARY REPORTING.
EXTRAORDINARY REPORTING. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU DOING
THIS.
THIS.
THIS IS A STORY THAT NEEDS TO BE
TOLD.
I WANT TO BRING MY PANEL IN.
ROBERT COSTA, NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER FOR "THE WASHINGTONICAL
REPORTER FOR "THE WASHINGTON POST."
POST."
ALSO THE MODERATOR OF "WEEK
WEEK" ON PBS.
AND MY OLD FRIEND, BRENDAN GREELY, EDITOR OF THE RESEARCH
NOTE, ALL WE KNOW SO FAR.
I DONT EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY THIS
IS HAPPENING.
IS HAPPENING. >> HE DOESNT GET A LOT OF
ATTENTION BUT THINK ABOUT WHOS
STILL INSIDE OF THE WHITE HOUSE,
STEVEN MILLER.
STEVEN MILLER. YOU OF COURSE HAVE PRESIDENT
TRUMP IS HIS BOSS.
THEY BELIEVE IN HARD-LINE
CONSERVATIVE IMMIGRATION POLICY.
AS MUCH AS CONGRESSIONAL
REPUBLICANS AND SOME MODERATE
REPUBLICANS ON CAPITOL HILL ARE
TALKING ABOUT TAKING ACTION ON
DACA OR MOVING FORWARD TO A MORE
CENTRIST POSITION ON IMMIGRATION
THIS ADMINISTRATION, THIS WHITE
HOUSE, CONTINUES TO PUSH FOR
THESE SORTS OF POLICIES.
>> WHAT IS THIS IMMIGRATION
PROBLEM THAT THEYRE TALKING
ABOUT SO MUCH?
BECAUSE THATS WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND.TS WHAT I DONT
UNDERSTAND.
THERE ARE THESE TWO NARRATIVES OUT OF THE ADMINISTRATION THAT
IM CONFUSED BY.
ON ONE HAND, THE PRESIDENT
GREATEST JOBS EVER, FULL
EMPLOYMENT, AND ON THE OTHER,
LOOK AT THOSE MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS
STEALING OUR JOBS.
SO WHICH IS IT?
IF THESE MEXICANS ARE STEALING
JOB
JOB
JOBS, HOW IS IT THAT EVERYBODY
SEEMS TO HAVE A JOB?
>> THATS A RATIONAL QUESTION. BECAUSE THERE ISNT ONE.STION.
BECAUSE THERE ISNT ONE. THERES NO RATIONAL POLICY HERE.
ULTIMATELY THIS IS WHAT IS
HAPPENING IN JACOBS ROBERT, AND
IM SO GLAD THAT HE HAS BEEN ALL
OVER OUR AIR WAVES TALKING ABOUT
THIS.
THIS.
THIS IS AN OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE.OUT OF BODY
EXPERIENCE.
WATCH ING WATCHING THESE PICTURES.
LISTENING TO HIS REPORTING.
THATS NOT THE AMERICA I KNOW.
IM WONDERING WHERE IS THE
SHAME.
SHAME.
WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE FROM
CAPITOL HILL ABOUT WHATS HAPPENING?LL ABOUT WHATS
HAPPENING?
WHERE ARE THE CALLS FOR HEARING? WHERE IS THE PARTY OF FAMILYING?
WHERE IS THE PARTY OF FAMILY VALUES?
VALUES?
>> NANCY PELOSI SAID WHERE ARE PEOPLE OF FAITH.SAID WHERE ARE
PEOPLE OF FAITH. OKAY, FOR COMPLETELY PERVERSE
MOMENT, TAKE HUMANITY OUT OF IT.
BRENDAN, LETS GO ECONOMICS.
YOU DO HAVE SIX MILLION PEOPLE
IN THIS COUNTRY THAT DO NOT HAVE
JOBS.
JOBS.
YOU HAVE LAGGING WAGES. THOSE PEOPLE NEED TO GET
RETRAINED.
RETRAINED.
AND LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT HAS BEEN SPENT FRUITLESSLY
ON THIS FOR NO REASON.
IT SOLVES NO PROBLEM.
>> IM SLIGHTLY MORE CYNICAL
THAN YOU ARE ABOUT THIS IF
THATS POSSIBLE.
THATS POSSIBLE. >> IM NOT CYNICAL AT ALL.
>> I THINK WERE CARRYING OUT A
POLICY PERFECTLY DESIGNED TO
SUPPRESS WAGES IN AMERICA.
WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT IMMIGRATION,
WE KNOW 11 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED
IMMIGRANTS IS THE BEST GUESS WE
HAVE.
HAVE.
IS THAT ITS LACK OF DOCUMENTATION THAT DRIVES DOWN
WAGES.
WAGES.
THERES ABOUT A 20% GAP.
THERES ALMOST NO GAP BETWEEN
DOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS AND
NATURALIZED --
>> MAKE IT CLEAR, WHEN YOU HAVE
NO PAPERS, YOU CAN BE PAID ALMOST NOTHING.CAN BE PAID
ALMOST NOTHING.
>> SO THATS HOW THAT WORKS.
SO WHAT WEVE DONE NOW IS WEVE MADE IT ALMOST MORE DIFFICULT
FOR PEOPLE TO BE UNDOCUMENTED IN
AMERICA.
AMERICA.
WHICH GIVES EMPLOYERS EVEN MORE
PRESSURE OVER THEM.
IF WE REALLY WANT TO SOLVE THIS
PROBLEM, WHERE ARE THE REST OF
THE EMPLOYERS, RIGHT?
WHY IS THERE NOT A RAID ON ABSOLUTELY ANYONE WHO MIGHT
POSSIBLY EMPLOY AN ILLEGAL
IMMIGRANT AND WHY ARENT THEY
BEING ARRESTED?
BEING ARRESTED? LETS ACTUALLY SOLVE THE
PROBLEM.
PROBLEM. WHAT THIS IS A LACK OF HONESTY
ABOUT WHO DOES THE JOBS IN
AMERICA.
AMERICA.
>> A GREAT POINT.
I WANT TO BRING YOU BACK IN.
YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER THERE
ARE MORE KIDS EXPECTED.
AS THIS GROWS, HOWS THE COURT GOING TO KEEP UP WITH THIS?RT
GOING TO KEEP UP WITH THIS? >> YOU HAVE THESE MASSIVE COURT
CASES.
CASES. YOU HAVE THESE UNDOCUMENTED
IMMIGRANTS COMING IN.
AND THEN THESE PEOPLE ARE BEING
REMANDED TO THE U.S. MARSHALS
SERVICE.
SERVICE.
SOMEBODY SAID, QUOTE/UNQUOTE, ITS RIDICULOUS HOW MANY PEOPLE
ARE COMING IN HERE.
ITS JUST NOT SUSTAINABLE.
I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING
YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
THE PRESIDENTS JUSTIFICATION
FOR DOING ALL THIS STUFF,
UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE ARE BRINGING
DRUGS.
DRUGS.
THE VIOLENCE IS POURING ACROSS THE BORDER.E IS POURING ACROSS
THE BORDER.
LOOK AT THE REPORTS FROM OUR OWN
DEA THAT SAYS SPILLOVER VIOLENCE IS NOT A CREDIBLE THREAT IN THEE
IS NOT A CREDIBLE THREAT IN THE UNITED STATES, DESPITE THE FACT
THERES DRUG WAR VIOLENCE THAT
HAPPENS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
BORDER.
BORDER.
WE TALK ABOUT DRUGS THAT ARE COMING. ABOUT DRUGS THAT ARE
COMING.
WE NEED A WALL TO PUT UP A WALL
TO STOP THESE PEOPLE FROM COMING IN.STOP THESE PEOPLE FROM COMING
IN.
DRUGS COME THROUGH THE LEGAL PORTS OF ENTRY.UGH THE LEGAL
PORTS OF ENTRY. AND THEN PEOPLE COMING IN FOR
WORK, THE BORDER PATROL CHIEF IN
THIS SECTOR TOLD ME HALF OF THE
PEOPLE COMING IN HERE ARE NOT
COMING AS ECONOMIC REFUGEES OR
MIGRANTS.
MIGRANTS.
THEYRE COMING TO SEEK ASYLUM FROM DANGEROUS STREET GANGS LIKE
MS-13.
MS-13.
WHICH BY THE WAY, JEFF SESSIONS SAID IS A CULTURE -- YES, HEONS
SAID IS A CULTURE -- YES, HE SAYS THERES A CULTURE OF
VIOLENCE IN CENTRAL AND SOUTH
AMERICA.
AMERICA. M
M MS-13 WERE CREATED IN LOS
ANGELES AND DEPORTED TO THOSE
COUNTRIES AND THATS WHAT PEOPLE
ARE FLEEING FROM.
>> WOW, ALL RIGHT, ROBERT COSTA,
YOURE SAYING LOOK INSIDE THE
WHITE HOUSE AND POINTING TO
STEVEN MILLER.
STEVEN MILLER. OUTSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE, COREY
STEWART, ANTI-IMMIGRANT
STEWART, ANTI-IMMIGRANT PLATFORM, WINS IN VIRGINIA.
STEPHEN KING, RETWEETS A
NEO-NAZI.
NEO-NAZI.
PAUL RYAN, UNDERCUTTING A DACA SOLUTION., UNDERCUTTING A DACA
SOLUTION.
STEVE KING, EXCUSE ME, STEVE
KING.
AND YOU GOT PAUL RYAN
UNDERCUTTING A DACA SOLUTION. SO YOU CAN POINT TO STEVENON.
SO YOU CAN POINT TO STEVEN MILLER, BUT WHERES CONGRESS?
>> WHERES THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?
WE HAVE A FRONT PAGE STORY IN
"THE WASHINGTON POST" ABOUT HOW
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS A TOTAL GRIP
OVER THE GOP.
IF YOU THINK IMMIGRATION POLICYS GOING TO CHANGE IT ALL,
THINK AGAIN.
THINK AGAIN. INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE, ON
CAPITOL HILL, THEYRE ALREADY
PREPARING THIS FALL WITH THE
UPCOMING SPENDING BILL TO HAVE A
MAJOR SHOWDOWN OVER THE BORDER
WALL.
WALL.
THEYRE LOOKING TO RAMP UP ON THESE SORTS OF IMMIGRATIONON
THESE SORTS OF IMMIGRATION POLICIES, NOT WIND DOWN.
>> HOW DOES HE HAVE A TOTAL
GRIP?
GRIP? A GUY LIKE MARK SANFORD DOESNT
WIN?
WIN?
IF "THE WASHINGTON POST" ASKS YOU TO DO SOMETHINGPOST" ASKS
YOU TO DO SOMETHING REPREHENSIBLE, YOU SAY NO.
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS JUST
SAYING, IM GOING TO KEEP ON
ROCKING UNDER THIS?
>> YES, NO, THATS EXACTLY WHAT THEYRE SAYING.ATS EXACTLY WHAT
THEYRE SAYING.
KEEP IN MIND, THE LOSS OF
CONGRESSMAN SANFORD IS HUGE
BECAUSE ITS NOT LIKE HE WAS A
MIDDLE OF THE ROADER OR SOMEONE --THE ROADER OR
SOMEONE -- >> THIS IS A GREAT POINT.
>> THIS GUY WAS A -- NOT A FAR
RIGHT BUT A CONSERVATIVES
CONSERVATIVE.
CONSERVATIVE.
A REPUBLICAN FROM SOUTH
CAROLINA.
OPEN UP THE DICTIONARY TO REPUBLICAN, HIS FACE AMONG A LOT
OF OTHERS USED TO POP UP.
>> YOU HAVE A POP-UP DICTIONARY
AT HOME?
AT HOME?
>> JUST ABOUT REPUBLICANS. >> MAYBE.BOUT REPUBLICANS.
>> MAYBE.
>> YES, JUST ABOUT REPUBLICANS. >> REALLY EXCITING DICTIONARY..
>> REALLY EXCITING DICTIONARY. >> IN THE THREE -- YOU MENTIONED
THREE NAME, STEVEN MILLER, STEVE
KING AND SPEAKER RYAN.
>> COREY STEWART.
>> AND COREY STEWART.
IM GOING TO LEAVE OFF SPEAKER
RYAN.
RYAN.
STEVEN MILLER AND COREY STEWART
WHAT WERE TALKING ABOUT ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE PUSHING WHITE
SUPREMIST IDEAS.
SUPREMIST IDEAS. THATS WHY IMMIGRATION IS BEING
PUSHED SO HARD.
WHEN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY CAN
RALLY BEHIND IN VIRGINIA, COREY
STEWART, A WHITE SUPREMIST.
ONE, WE SHOULDNT BE SURPRISED.
THE PRESIDENT CEDED THE MORAL
AUTHORITY OF THE OVAL OFFICE BY
SIDING WITH WHITE SUPREMACISTS
IN CHARLOTTESVILLE.
IN CHARLOTTESVILLE. SO THE FACT THAT MARK SANFORD
GOT DEFEATED, THE FACT THAT
COREY STEWART WON, SHOWS THAT
YES, ROBERT IS RIGHT, OUR STORY
IS RIGHT, THIS IS NOW NO LONGER
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
>> PRESIDENT TRUMP --
>> IT IS THE PARTY OF DONALD
TRUMP.
TRUMP.
>> MANY SIDES. HE SAID THE SAME THING WHEN
ASKED ABOUT KIM JONG-UN AND
HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS.
MANY PEOPLE DO LOTS OF BAD
THINGS.
THINGS.
NO OTHER COUNTRY DOES THINGS TO
THEIR PEOPLE AS BAD AS NORTH KOREA.PEOPLE AS BAD AS NORTH
KOREA.
BRENDAN, LAST POINT.
>> WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT IMMIGRATION POLICY.ABOUT
IMMIGRATION POLICY. I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR WHATS
HAPPENING THERE ON THE BORDER IS
NOT POLICY.
NOT POLICY. >> THANK YOU.
>> IT IS THEATER.
IF WE WERE --
>> WHOM?
>> WHOM?
>> I DONT KNOW.
BUT EVIDENTLY THEY SEEM TO KNOW THEIR OWN VOTERS.Y SEEM TO KNOW
THEIR OWN VOTERS. >> AND WHAT KIND OF --
>> ITS NOT POLICY.
WE NEED TO OPENLY HONESTLY
ADDRESS IT IN THE UNITED STATES.
DO WE NEED A GUEST WORKER
PROGRAM
PROGRAM PROGRAM?
PROGRAM? ITS NOT MY PREFERENCE BUT WE
NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT.
THIS IS DETAINING PEOPLE WHO ARE
APPLYING FOR ASYLUM.
AND THEIR CHILDREN ARE BEING
TORN FROM THEM AT THE BORDER AS
THEYRE ARRESTED FOR WHAT IS, BY
THE WAY, A MISDEMEANOR, CROSSING
THE BORDER.
THE BORDER. >> YOU SAY FOR WHOM.
THE VOTER, THE REPUBLICAN VOTER