>>> NEW REPORTS OF DONALD TRUMP
ISOLATED IN HIS FINAL DAYS.
"THE POST" DESCRIBES HIS INNER
CIRCLE COMPLETELY SHRINKING.
HE LASHES OUT AT THOSE WHO
REMAIN.
HE IS BASICALLY, ACCORDING TO
"THE POST"," JUST WATCHING TV,
WHICH MEANS OF COURSE HE IS ALSO
ABDICATING HIS JOB DUTIES,
WHETHER IT COMES TO THE NATIONAL
CRISIS OF COVID-19 OR MEANINGFUL
FOLLOW-UP TO THE INSURRECTION AT
THE CAPITOL.
REMEMBER, HE STILL HAS AS
PRESIDENT AN OATH, A SWORN OATH
TO PROTECT THE NATION.
HE IS ALSO LASHING OUT AT
EVERYONE FROM RUDY GIULIANI, WHO
OF COURSE WAS LOYAL TO THE END,
BUT HE IS NOW INSTRUCTING HIS
OWN AIDES TO ENSURE GIULIANI IS
STIFFED AND NOT PAID FOR LEGAL
SERVICES.
HE IS ALSO ANGRY AT W HIS PRESS
SECRETARY AS WELL AS LAURA
INGRAHAM.
HE DOESN’T THINK THEY’RE
SUPPORTING HIM ENOUGH.
BUSINESS PARTNERS ARE FLEEING.
TECH TITANS HAVE BEEN SHUTTING
HIM DOWN, WHILE SENATOR
McCONNELL IS OPENLY DISCUSSING
THE POSSIBILITY OF PURGING
DONALD TRUMP FROM THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY WITH THAT PIVOTAL SENATE
VOTE WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING.
WE TURN NOW TO A FRIEND OF "THE
BEAT," "THE ART OF THE DEAL"
CO-AUTHOR TONY SCHWARTZ.
GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE TONIGHT.
>> GOOD TO BE HERE, ARI.
>> WHAT DO YOU SEE IN THIS STAGE
OF THE DWINDLING TRUMP
PRESIDENCY?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, IT’S ALWAYS A
RACE FOR TRUMP BETWEEN WHETHER
HE WOULD DESTROY US OR DESTROY
HIMSELF FIRST.
AND I TRULY DIDN’T KNOW THE
OUTCOME OF THAT RACE.
WE SEEM TO HAVE FINALLY GOTTEN
AN ANSWER.
HE’S GOING TO DESTROY HIMSELF
FIRST, ALTHOUGH MY OLDER
DAUGHTER DID REMIND ME THAT
HITLER FAILED IN HIS OWN COUP IN
1922 IN THE BEER HALL PUSH IN
MUNICH AND HE WAS ABLE TO RISE.
I’M NOT COMFORTABLE RULING OUT,
COUNTING OUT TRUMP COMPLETELY.
>> YEAH, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK
AT THE FACT THAT THE BIGGEST
QUESTION FACING THE SENATE IS
WHETHER THIS INDIVIDUAL SHOULD
BE AS A CONSTITUTIONAL MATTER
BARRED OR NOT, THERE IS THE
QUESTION OF THEIR RETURN.
I CAN DISTINGUISH ALL KINDS OF
HISTORICAL FIGURES, BUT THE OPEN
CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTION, AS YOU
SAY IS NOT RESOLVED IF HE IS
ALIVE, AND IT DEPENDS ON WHAT
THE SENATE DOES.
BRIEFLY, CAN YOU TELL US FROM
YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF HIM HOW HE
OPERATES AT A MOMENT LIKE THIS
WHEN HE IS CLEARLY AT HIS LOWEST
ISOLATED PLACE.
I’LL MENTION ONE NEWS ITEM THAT
JUST CROSSED THE WIRES.
HE AND STEVE BANNON HAD ONE OF
THE MOST VOLCANIC FALLOUTS EVER,
BUT BLOOMBERG HAS TONIGHT,
QUOTE, TRUMP RECONCILES WITH
EX-STRATEGIST STEVE BANNON TO
WORK ON WHAT HAZY BEEN DOING,
THESE AUTHORITARIAN ELECTION
CHALLENGES.
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THEY
DESERVE EACH OTHER.
IT SHOWS YOU WHAT TRUMP IS DOWN
TO.
IT’S A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO
HE’LL EVEN TALK TO ANYMORE.
AND THE MINUTE STEVE BANNON
DOESN’T SAY WHAT HE WANTS HIM
TO, HE’LL BE OUT TOO.
WHAT TRUMP IS DOING RIGHT NOW IS
HE MOVING BETWEEN RAGE AND
DELUSION.
BE VERY CLEAR, THIS IS
UNPRECEDENTED FOR HIM.
IT’S NEVER BEEN SO CLEAR THAT HE
HAS A LOSS.
SO WE DON’T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT
HAPPENS TO A PERSON FOR WHOM
THIS IS THE OUTCOME.
BUT HE MOVES BETWEEN RAGE AND
DELUSION.
RAGE IS THE ONLY ANGER RAGE IS
THE ONLY EMOTION AVAILABLE TO
DONALD TRUMP.
HE DOESN’T TRAFFIC IN OTHER
EMOTIONS.
AND DELUSION IS IN THE FORM OF
THE FICTIONAL WORLD THAT HE’S
CREATED AND LIVED IN THROUGHOUT
HIS LIFE.
BUT IT’S LESS FICTIONAL REALITY
FOR HIM NOW, MORE RAGE, LESS
CAPACITY TO BELIEVE HIS OWN
LIES.
>> YEAH, AND THAT’S A REMINDER
AGAIN ON THE SIDE THAT A LOT OF
PEOPLE HAVE TO CARE ABOUT,
BECAUSE HE STILL HAS THE NUCLEAR
CODES FOR SIX MORE DAYS.
WHAT HAPPENS TO AN INDIVIDUAL AT
THIS BREAKING POINT WHEN HE HAS,
AS YOU SAY, FED OFF LIES AND
DELUSION FOR SO LONG.
THERE IS SOME PRESSURE THERE.
NOW I DON’T KNOW IF WE’RE
THROUGH THE WORST OF THIS.
YOU MENTION WE DON’T KNOW.
I DO THINK IT’S VITAL WE LEARN
AS WE GO.
LONG-TERM VIEWERS WILL RECALL
YOU STRONGLY WARNED ABOUT TRUMP
DURING THE 2016 RACE, AND YOU
DREW ON YOUR PAST KNOWLEDGE OF
HIM.
I WANT TO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT
SOME OF YOUR INSIGHTS, AS WELL
AS A FEW MEMORABLE MOMENTS WE
SHARED HERE AMIDST ALL THE NEWS.
>> HE’LL GO TO ANGER.
AND HE WILL DRUM UP THAT ANGER
THAT’S SITTING INSIDE HIS
SUPPORTERS IN ANY WAY HE CAN TO
PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS
WRONGED.
THE ELECTION WAS RIGGED.
AND HE DIDN’T REALLY LOSE.
>> HE LIES ABOUT EVERYTHING.
>> WHAT ABOUT RAMDAS?
THREE WORDS YOU HEAR NOW?
>> BE HERE NOW.
THAT’S ANOTHER THREE WORDS.
>> HAVE I FOUR MORE WORDS FOR
YOU.
ARE YOU READY?
>> I AM.
>> WE GOT TO GO.
>> IT REMINDS ME, ARI OF A
FAVORITE RAPPER FROM THE ’60s,
JOANIE MITCHELL.
THE REAL QUESTION IS WILL HE END
UP DESTROYING HIMSELF OR US
FIRST.
>> WHEN TRUMP LOSES THE
ELECTION, HE WILL NEVER
ACKNOWLEDGE.
HE WILL NOT CONCEDE THE
ELECTION, AND HE WILL NEVER
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE LOST THE
ELECTION.
>> HE ADMITS NOTHING.
NEVER ADMIT ANYTHING.
NEVER SAY YOU MADE A MISTAKE.
JUST KEEP COMING.
AND IF YOU LOSE, DECLARE
VICTORY.
>> TONY, THERE IS A LOT AT
STAKE.
WHAT MUST PEOPLE KNOW?
GO AHEAD?
>> NO, I LOCK AT THAT, AND I
REALIZE HOW MUCH OF A BURDEN
I’VE CARRIED FOR MY ROLE IN THIS
FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
AND I DO FEEL AS IF A CERTAIN
WEIGHT HAS BEEN LIFTED FROM MY
HOLDS, AT LEAST TO SOME DEGREE.
THERE IT IS.
>> AND BRIEFLY, WHEN IT COMES TO
PROCESSING WARNING, WHAT DO
PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW NOW, NOT
JUST THE SIX DAYS, BUT WHATEVER
COMES NEXT?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT I THINK
HE HAS DONE, HIS LEGACY.
HIS LEGACY IS HE IS UNLEASHED
AND SANCTIONED IN HIS SUPPORTERS
A 11 OF VIOLENCE THAT WILL VERY
LIKELY RISE DURING THE NEXT FOUR
YEARS AND PERHAPS DRAMATICALLY
SO.
SO IF HIS GOAL WAS TO UPEND
DEMOCRACY, HE CAME VERY CLOSE,
BUT HE FAILED.
BUT WHO KNOWS BECAUSE HE HAS