HE SAID SHE WAS A "TERRIFIC
WOMAN AND VERY SPECIAL."
>> Martha: VERY SPECIAL.
WE WILL SHOW THAT JUST A SECOND.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HERE NOW THE AFOREMENTIONED BEN
SHAPIRO, EDITOR IN CHIEF OF THE
DAILY WIRE WHO WROTE TODAY'S
FIVE REASONS WHY OPRAH WOULD WIN
AND FIVE REASONS WHY SHE COULD
LOSE.
GOOD EVENING, GOOD TO SEE YOU AS
DONALD TRUMP WHAT'S GOING TO BE
FASCINATING AND INDEED IT WAS.
BUT THIS COULD BE A WHOLE NEW
LEVEL.
WELL-KNOWN PERSON PROBABLY ON
PLANET EARTH OTHER THAN
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
TWO OF THE MOST HIGH-PROFILE
PEOPLE IN AMERICAN HISTORY
BATTLING IT OUT.
ANOTHER SELF-MADE BILLIONAIRE.
YEARS.
SHE IS A TELEVISION STAR.
SHE HAS A REALLY GREAT PERSONAL
STORY.
THE FAR LEFT AND HER IMAGE WOULD
CERTAINLY TAKE A HIT WERE SHE TO
GET POLITICAL.
IT'S ONE THING FOR
PRESIDENT TRUMP, WHO BASICALLY
HAS BEEN HIT WITH EVERY PIECE OF
MUD AND EMERGED UNSCATHED TO RUN
FOR REELECTION.
OPRAH WINFREY IS SEEN AS THIS
ALMOST ANGELIC FIGURE IN
AMERICAN POP CULTURE AND IF SHE
HAS HAD IT ALL WITH ANY SORT OF
SCANDAL IT MAY NOT AFFECT HER
WHERE 90% OF PEOPLE LOVE YOU TO
A PLACE WERE 50% OF PEOPLE HATE
YOU, QUICKLY MOVE INTO POLITICS.
>> Martha: DONALD TRUMP IS
CERTAINLY WITNESS THAT HIMSELF
DURING HIS TRANSFORMATION FROM
UNITED STATES.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT AMERICA AS A
SOCIETY, ARE WE LIVING IN A
WORLD WHERE YOU ALMOST HAVE TO
BE A CELEBRITY?
YOU LOOK AT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO
HAVE THROWN THEIR NAMES IN THE
RING, MARK CUBAN, KANYE WEST HAS
TALKED ABOUT IT, THE ROCK HAS
TALKED ABOUT IT.
YOU START TO WONDER IF YOU ARE
LIVING IN THE SORT OF FREAKISH
PARALLEL UNIVERSE LATELY.
>> I THINK THE IDEA THAT NAME
RECOGNITION MAKES A DIFFERENCE,
PARTICULARLY IN PRIMARIES IS
ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
CAN YOU IMAGINE OPRAH WINFREY
LOSING PRIMARIES TO JOE BIDEN?
I CAN'T.
TYPICAL DEMOCRATIC POLITICIAN
THEY WILL HAVE A VERY NOT A HARD
TIME ARE NOT PART OF THE RACE.
REPUBLICANS COULDN'T NOT
DONALD TRUMP OUT OF THE RACE AND
HE WAS LESS OF A CELEBRITY THAN
WHEN THEY THINK WHAT PRESIDENT
DOES.
ON THE ONE HAND WE THINK THE
PRESIDENT IS THERE TO DO POLICY
AND ENGAGE IN POLICY AND THEN
THERE'S REALLY WHAT WE THINK THE
PRESIDENT DOES, WHICH IS STAY
SOFT.
WHEN WE THINK OF PEOPLE WHO
STATES THAT WE THINK OF
CELEBRITY SPIRIT WE THINK OF THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE ON OUR TVs ALL
OF THE FIGUREHEADS ON THE PROWL
VERY FAMOUS AND WE'VE ARTIE MADE
A DECISION, IT'S A LOT EASIER
CAN BE TAKEN DOWN WITH A SKIN SN
CAN BE TAKEN DOWN WITH A SKIN SL
RICK PERRY WAS KNOCKED OUT OF
BE USED, FOR YOUNG GIRLS.
THAT KNOCKED HIM OUT OF THE
PRIMARIES IN 2012.
>> Martha: WHEN YOU TAKE A
LOOK AT THIS POTENTIAL MATCHUP,
YOU GOT OPRAH WINFREY, WHO I
THINK WOULD BE SO EMBRACED BY
DEMOCRATS THAT YOU PROBABLY
WOULDN'T BE STANDING UP THERE
WITH 17 OTHER CANDIDATES.
WHEN DONALD TRUMP TRIED IT
EVERYONE JUST LAUGHED AT HIM.
DECEMBER, WOULDN'T MAKE IT TO
HERE, THEN.
>> I THINK THAT'S TRUE.
THE DEMOCRATS ALSO HAVE A WAY OF
ANOINTING CANDIDATES THAT
REPUBLICANS HAVE NOT HAD.
2008 ABOUT ANOINTING
HILLARY CLINTON AND
OPRAH WINFREY IS THE PERSON WHO
HELPED PUSH BARACK OBAMA OVER
THAT FINISH LINE.
I THINK THE CHANCES ARE ACTUALLY
PRETTY GOOD THAT IF OPRAH
IN THE GENERAL ELECTION I DO
HAVE MY DOUBTS AS TO WHETHER SHE
WOULD ACTUALLY DEFEAT THE
FOR MARCH AND IT SHOWED OPRAH
DEFEATING FROM SOMETHING LIKE
47-40.
THOSE AREN'T INCREDIBLE NUMBERS.
49% APPROVAL VERSUS 33%
GO THROUGH POLITICAL CYCLE OR
>> Martha: ONE LESS THING, YOU
SORT OF WENT OUT ON A LIMB
TODAY.
YOU SAID YOU DON'T THINK SHE WAS
THAT BRAVE.
HER BODY IN THAT ROOM WAS UP ON
THEIR FEET.
YOU SAID SHE WASN'T READY LAST,
WHAT DID YOU MEAN?
>> WHAT THE HECK KIND OF RISK
WAS SHE TAKING?
STANDING IN FRONT OF AN ENTIRE
TOWN FILLED WITH SEXUAL ABUSERS
AND HARASSERS.
SHE SAID NOTHING ABOUT IT FOR 20
YEARS.
SHE SAID NOTHING -- HE IS BEING
SHARED BY PEOPLE WHO SAID
LEADING THE FIGHT.
AT SORT OF MISTAKE.
JUST BECAUSE SHE SAID SOME STUFF
LAST NIGHT, I HAVEN'T SEEN ALL
THINGS MATERIALLY CHANGED.
REESE WITHERSPOON WERE MENTIONED
THINGS BEFORE OPRAH AND EFFORT,
WHAT CHANGED?
I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT
MOST OF US AGREED WITH THAT
STUFF WHEN THE STUFFERS BROKE
AND WHERE WERE THEY REPORTING ON
THE SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND ABUSE
SCANDAL FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS?
IS LEADING THE JOB TO COVER
HOLLYWOOD AND IT TOOK THE
NEW YORKER TO COVER ALL OF THIS,
WHERE WAS THE HOLLYWOOD FOREIGN
PRESS ASSOCIATION?
AGAIN, A WOMAN WHO IS GOOD
FRIENDS WITH HARVEY WEINSTEIN
OVATION TO ROMAN POLANSKI.
>> Martha: FOR CIRCLE OF