corners. You've brought us there. Let's stay in the big
tent. Yeah. Day in the Big Ten,
DJ Turner Michigan.
All right, DJ Turner from Michigan is one where I had no
expectations.
I had heard the buzz on, Devon Witherspoon,
you know me, I don't care about buzz but I knew of it. DJ
Turner.
All I knew is he ran a fast. 40 at the combine. It's all I knew
four to six or eight or something like that for to 6147
split through. 38 and a half inch vertical,
right? Yeah. To me the most technically sound
Corner in the draft.
There's there's nobody better at technique,
you know, like Witherspoon, the ability to mirror receivers of
the line of scrimmage. The quick feet is phenomenal,
his hips. Better than Witherspoon, right? His ability
again like, hey, you know, I'm gonna and I'm trying to paint
a picture for people, but,
you know, we're running a go right up the sideline, right?
And I'm turned on the inside because I'm looking back at
the quarterback, you know? Now the Makes an out breaking route,
his ability to flip those hips, turn and brake on the ball.
It's right up there, it's actually more smooth hip wise
than it is
for Devon. Witherspoon. Witherspoon might be a hair
Twitchy, ER, and a hair better with acceleration,
so he makes up for not having that hip thing that we talked
about. We're talking about here, but, I mean,
what more can you say about the guy
starts, top ability? Amazing makeup speed, amazing.
You know, other than Witherspoon, I think, is put it
in
the second most tough spots out of anybody. I watched in this,
I mean, he's plays man to man in your face, a ton against
big-time receivers, you know, he's awesome defending double
moves.
He can be the nest, best nickel
or outside guy, you know. And then and then, oh yeah. He's
also the fastest guy in the draft,
like, he's got it all. I mean, he really does his ability to
turn and run was the best.
Sot, until I watched Witherspoon, which was the next
guy after him. Yeah. But I would argue, I'm not sure if
Witherspoon's is better than Turner in that department,
right? Turner's ability to turn and close the gap. And close on
the ball on a go route or whatever it is.
It's effortless.
He's very comfortable in lowing. I'll stay in your hip
pocket because if you decide to turn it on and go, you're not
going to be able to turn it on and go as fast as me.
So, I could stay in the Hip Pocket and wait for you to make
your break down, to make your move. Now I'm all over it.
I mean his footwork is phenomenal
right? There's only one thing. You can question about the guy
in my opinion,
and that's okay. It's like Weatherspoon the size thing.
Yeah. All right. Yeah. And he looks a little smaller than
Weatherspoon. I mean, they're basically the same five-eleven
180 that kind of the same. They're the same guy would
go, I think they would look the same. If they were wearing
the same uniform, one uniform just makes you look a little bigger
than the other Michigan's got that uniform. It may you know,
slimming,
it makes people look
Michigan that, you know, you'll see a guy in Michigan d-tackle
and you go man, what does he like to 75? And then you look
it up, do you? Holy s***, he's 310. He's wearing. Number
seven. A defensive tackle, and Michigan and there is something
about that
uniform. Recruiting Advantage will make you look good but but
maybe not in the eyes of the. Yeah, yeah. Well, the NFL
people of figure it out, but but I think you're saying
a right to,
there's not as much of a difference there. Is he as physical
as Witherspoon? No, I just told you, I don't know if I've ever
seen a corner ever as physical as Witherspoon. But this guy,
you're like, excited me a lot and you know, back to our
element, you know,
he never never looked panicked. It's effortless. His feet are
phenomenal. The ability to mirror people. The line of
scrimmage as good as I saw in the draft other than
Witherspoon.
Transition out of backpedal
is the most efficient one. There was
right, the turn and run. I talked about hips, awesome
acceleration,
makeup speed all that.
You know, no one really gets open against the guy ever.
Now, do people Catch the ball. Yeah
but okay. Like Marvin Harrison Junior's going to be a top 15
pick next year.
Oh my gosh. He caught a ball. Like, oh, so that. So this is
the thing I was shocked about as I was kind of like I get
done with my rankings
in and then I start to go. I wonder where other people
TJ. Turner's, not on anybody's top 5 radar.
I read everybody's description and it reads like a top-five
corner in the draft, but then he's like way down the list and
I don't understand it. So here's PFF. OK, I said about DJ
Turner. He is basically tired.
Like he'll flip to the other side of the ball from a testing
perspective. So I know, I think a lot of people thought that to
about DJ turner, He's going to wow, with the combine, some of
his
measurables are going to be
off the charts, and I think we have the Octagon or
the heptagon, or the septagon, or whichever gone, we have here.
It is an octagon for corner so
there it is. Yeah. Height weight
arm length, not great. Everything else.
Elite 99th percentile for 40-yard dash. He was
the fastest at the combine. 10-yard split was very fast as well.
And said, vertical leap. So those 50/50 Jump balls, he can
still get up there. He can, he's physical,
he has a good Jam,
you know, out of the guys, I watch to he had
other than Witherspoon had the attitude. I like
he's in your face. He's letting you know it
he's playing outside. They throw a receiver screen. He's
physical to take on blockers. He's physical to hit receivers
when they catch the ball or they're going over the middle.
You know, again
Witherspoon's taken some of his Lobster, but he was kind of
going to be the guy. I was like, I He's all excited about
but I was getting done the other like, oh my gosh, this
guy's. He's finally, there's a guy that really has
the attitude and everything I like
and then I watch Witherspoon. I went, oh s***, he's a little
bit better in some of those departments. Yeah, but yeah, so
I have no like,
you know, the play strength, tackling,
you know, gets a lot of tough man. To man situations has
a Cockiness that, you know, I love
right. His only - is that size department. But and, and I know
that there was some
big Receivers that pushed off on more made some catches? Well
let me talk about that because PFF was also high in your
number-one guy, ravan Weatherspoon saying about him,
his senior tape was as good as we have seen
in our nine years of college grading. Yeah. Okay
but you mentioned something to me before we
started this heat gun, he was lucky. The competition is
a little lucky do in the Big 10. Exactly did not play with
Witherspoon were talking about here, I'll play Ohio, state did
not play Penn State. The two teams with the best receivers,
right? I mean those are the two teams that got the guys. Like
there were times that Turner.
It worse you might have been going up against some of those
stoves. I feel like DJ Turner is being
a little bit scrutinized because Marvin's Marvin
Harrison jr.
Caught a pass on a money was all over them. Well, I'm gonna
go wee-wee. Most people can't even be here to be all over
him, guys. You know,
some of the guys that I see ranked,
you know, again on top five, I want to go
there, not there, even for the 50/50 aspect he's open and it's
100%, he's gonna catch it because your guy's not there,
So that's where so he's being docked for the fact that he's
in everybody's
Grill all the time
and now he has to make every play
or we look at it as a negative we're looking at is a -
oh he lit up a catch against Winston Quinton Johnston
the guy that's 64 and the from one of the freakiest of the Freaks
and the drap.
Okay. Great
trust Quinton Johnson is going to do that to Jalen Ramsey next
year. He's going to do it to
the other big Corners in the draft that people are out
there. Let alone they might have even been there to be in
that kind of, you know, that conversation of being in
the 50/50.
So that's where I feel like I don't understand it.
I really don't understand where
he is and I'm not going to be affected by it. I'm not. But
yeah to me this is a when I watch him I just go. This is
a little slightly less version of Witherspoon and I'm not sure
some of his man-to-man skills
aren't better and aren't going to translate even better than
the NFL. It's closed. There's moon has an overall pyres
better more impressive physical I get it. I'm pure man to man,
I think it's closer than
than I think. People are giving it credit for well. That's why
they're both in tier one for you. And we do have some video
of DJ Turner's Pro Day. Alright, Michigan. So we can do
some scouting live here on the unbuttoned
podcast, so good. Backpedal
got great legs slipped a little bit right there.
Doc them down.
When you watching when you see this well I mean to me it's
just the like
how How few steps it takes them to make the cuts. Like, he's in
the back pedal, you just puts one foot in the ground and
comes forward. It's not like, I got to take four steps to stop
and slow down, right? He goes full speed sideways. It's
like chop chop and he goes back the other way
right there. That's what I mean. Look at me. Look how
smooth that is. And then there's a, he can put his foot
in the ground and open up his hips. He doesn't have to like
redirect his whole body and go.
Okay, wait rest of the body. Let's get straight. So now we
can go that way, he can kind of
do it cut and open up the hips. All in one motion
and as we know it's the NFL split seconds, make a difference
and that's where it's going to give them the ability to
be in a bad position or cover a double move or a guy that runs
a Post Corner. He's going to he's going to be great at that
stuff. You know. I
I love the kid. I really do and I'm shocked that. Yeah he's as
down the list for some people as yeah. As he is because
I mean again Tyree killed on the other side of the ball.
Where did they have them ranked? I don't, you know,
I don't even No, but whoever you just read that? Yeah, I don't
know.
Where is he
19th? Oh, yeah. That's it. Yeah, that's that's their way
way low. And they will be way low for that that I don't,
I don't understand that. And then
that's where I don't understand. Just read your
comment and they're just that doesn't say 19
that does not say 19.
And then I want to know where the negatives other than just
that's all we're going to talk about. You just think that he's
going to get pushed around like his size? Is that big detriment
that he's going to get pushed around? That much. Yeah, right.
Well, here's another thing too that I noticed to like, you
know, we talked about,
you know, a little bit of the holding by dbe's and all that
him and Witherspoon. Pyatt legit NFL wise.
Like there is no grabbing. There's no holding that, like
you go College, you get away with this the NFL. Do they play
a real right?
And
the frustrating thing is they have a lot of good plays
where you go, what a great play and they call pass interference
on them. And you go that was pass interference.
On the receiver,
and they're calling it on the DB.
I mean, the dbe's poor dbe's. That's the one thing that
jumped out to me. Watching college football, DBZ last few
days. Tough life. Oh my gosh, there is so many places where
I go, man. That was blatant offensive, pass interference
and they
show on the film that they call them defense and I'm like, oh
my God, are you kidding me? It's pitiful, the good really
fans and the media have lost our the
referees have lost track of what
pass interference has. We all want to see offense to
touchdowns that guessing games, we do see a lot of those in
college.