She's that she would cut me up
something about that she wasn't
in the mental place to do that.
Whether she would get herself in
that place to be able to do it.
Death threats and guns.
Stunning testimony today in day1
of Lori Valo de Bell's murder t.
Vala was charged with murder
and conspiracy to commit murder
and the deaths of her two kids,
JJ and Ty Lee, as well as her
husband's late wife, Tammy de B.
Our sheer Matsuzawa has a
look at what happened at the
ADA County Courthouse today.
The court ended today with
Ian Pawlowski on the stand.
He's the husband of Lori Valo's niece,
Melanie. Now, there was some question
about whether he violated the
exclusionary rule because his w,
Melanie, may have seen or heard
previous testimony in this case.
The court ruled that he didn't
violate it and was able to test.
Ian's testimony started just about 15
minutes before court ended for the day.
He described Melanie's relationp
with Lori as close and very supportive,
he said when Lori and Chad first shared
their religious beliefs with hi.
He was open to it,
but that quickly changed,
he said the day after he married Melanie,
she dumped his fears on him.
He got concerned,
went to police and recorded
conversations with Chad and Lau,
but they never confessed to a c.
Today,
Audrey Baratario also testifiede
stopped being friends with Laure
after Laurie threatened to kill.
She says Laurie called her
naive and trusting,
and that she would cut her up and bury her
in a place where no one would find her.
The defense in question?
Audrey,
and reminded her that she was under oath
to tell the truth and that she never said
any of this in the grand jury proceedings,
Valo's attorney,
Jim Archibald, then said.
Quote, you want the jury to believe that
you didn't make this last crap up to what?
She replied.
I did not make it up.
Before that moment,
though,
Audrey talked about how she stad
with Lori and attended religious
conferences together on occasio,
she says when Lori started
talking about zombies and people
being possessed by spirits.
They came out of nowhere,
she said.
After a conference they attended
in the summer of 2019.
They went back to Laurie's hoted
Laurie talked about wanting to get an
evil spirit out of her then hus,
Charles Vallow.
Audrey says everyone held handsd
performed what's known as a casg
to remove the spirit from Charl.
Audrey told the court she felt uncomfortable.
Charles died in July of 2019.
Laurie's brother,
Alex Cox shot and killed him,
and what he claimed at the
time was self-defense.
In October of 2019,
Lori and her niece Melanie Boudreaux,
now Pawlowski, visited Audrey in Missouri.
During that trip,
Audrey says Lori brought up thea
of working on Tammy because shew
had a spirit that needed to be taken out.
Later that month,
Audrey met up with Lori and
her niece Melanie in Hawaii.
That's when Audrey says Lori
told her Tammy died.
As we've reported,
Tammy died on October 19th of 2.
Extreme religious beliefs have n
an integrated part of this case,
and I caught up with Leah Satili
previously to talk about those beliefs.
She's the author of the book
When the Moon Turns to Blood,
but she's also a journalist
who reports on political and
religious extremism in the West.
Laurie and Chad had a tight community
of people around them who were
entertaining these ideas of ligt
and dark spirits and zombies and
people transforming into another
person that could then be eliminated.
I think that the Laurie Valo
and Chad De Bell case is.
An example of what happens when
extreme belief starts mainstrea.
You know, even though they held these
really fringe beliefs, you know,
they weren't wearing camo and carrying
an AR15 at the Capitol and sort
of wearing these costumes that e
recognize as maybe sort of extr.
These are people who were,
you know, going to yoga classesd
were you know members of their,
of their local LDS ward.
So I think that it it,
it's a little bit of a wake up l
for everyone to really look at .
When people start talking about
beliefs that are religious,
that are extreme,
that maybe we all need to pay a little
bit closer attention to to whate
wider implications of those could be.
Sergeant Vincent Kayakamanu with
the Fremont County Sheriff's Ofe
also testified that one of the
guns belonging to Alex Cox could
have been mistaken as a paint g.
Which is important to note since Tammy
reported a man attempted to shoot her
with a paintball gun in October of 2019,
just ten days before she died.
Today the jury saw that assault
rifle up close and court will re
tomorrow morning with Ian back on the
stand at the ADA County Courtho.
Shira Matsuzala, Idaho's News Channel 7
looking forward to listening some recordings
that are probably going to be played.
For a comprehensive breakdown
of testimony in court today,
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