APPEARS EVERYONE IS NOW
READY FOR IT TO END.
MARTHA.
>> Martha: HERE NOW TAMMY
BRUCE PRESIDENT OF THE
INDEPENDENT WOMEN'S VOICE
AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR
AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTER
FATHER JONATHAN MORRIS AND
ENRIQUE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
PICTURES AND HISTORY OF THIS
LAW, IT HAS BEEN IN PLACE
FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
>> PHIL I THINK WE CAN AGREE
FAMILY SEPARATION IS CRUEL,
INHUMANE AND IN THIS CASE
COMPLETELY UNJUSTIFIABLE.
THERE IS NO LAW IN OUR
IMMIGRATION BOOKS THAT SAYS
THAT CHILDREN CAN BE
SEPARATED OR SHOULD BE
SEPARATED FROM THEIR
PARENTS.
THAT'S JUST NOT THE CASE.
RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE HAVE A
POLICY IMPLEMENTED BY THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ZERO
TOLERANCE THAT IS -- HAS
RESULTED IN OVER 1900 KIDS
BEING SEPARATED FROM THEIR
PARENTS.
>> Martha: LET ME ASK YOU
THIS.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF JEFF
SESSIONS EXPLANATION WHEN HE
SAYS, YOU KNOW, WHEN A
PARENT COMMITS A CRIME, THE
CHILD CANNOT GO TO JAIL WITH
THEM IN ORDER TO KEEP THE
FAMILY TOGETHER.
AND THEY ARE SAYING,
CROSSING THE BORDER
ILLEGALLY IS BREAKING THE
LAW.
SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS,
UNFORTUNATELY, TEMPORARILY
WHILE THE PARENTS GO THROUGH
THE PROCESS BECAUSE THEY ARE
NOT GOING TO BE CAUGHT AND
RELEASED.
THEY HAVE TO FIND SAFE
PLACES TO HOLD THESE
CHILDREN.
HAVE YOU IMAGES OF SOME OF
THOSE AREAS.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S A TERRIBLE
SITUATION FOR FAMILIES TO BE
SEPARATED.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK
AT IT THAT WAY, DOES THAT
MAKE A SENSE TO YOU.
>> THERE IS DISCRETION.
NOT PUTTING SHOPLIFTERS IN
EVERY CASE AND NOT
SEPARATING THEM.
WE ARE NOT PUTTING
POSSESSION BEHIND BARS IN
EVERY CASE AND SEPARATING
THEM FROM THEIR CHILDREN.
AND THEY ARE ALSO BREAKING
THE LAW.
THERE IS SUCH A THING AS
DISCRETION.
BEFORE ZERO TOLERANCE
IMPLEMENTED THAT WAS THE
CASE WOMEN GRANT FAMILIES.
WE DON'T NEED TO SEPARATE
IMMIGRANT FAMILIES AND
ALMOST 2,000 KIDS FROM THEIR
PARENTS JUST TO MAKE A POINT
AND USES THAT A DETERRENT.
CHIEF OF STAFF ATTORNEY
GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS HAS
SAID.
>> Martha: OTHER THING THEY
SAID SINCE THEY BECAME LAX
IN THIS PROGRAM IT WAS SORT
OF UNDERSTOOD BY SOME PEOPLE
WHO WANTED TO GET INTO THE
COUNTRY THAT IF YOU COME AS
A FAMILY THEY WILL LET YOU
THROUGH.
BETTER WAY TO COME AND BRING
YOUR KIDS AND NOW OBVIOUSLY
THAT'S CHANGED.
>> THAT'S ONE OF THE
PROBLEMS WITH THE POLICY FOR
YEARS IS THAT WE EFFECTIVELY
SUBSIDIZE THIS KIND OF
APPROACH THAT PEOPLE FOUND
OUT THAT IF YOU HAVE A CHILD
YOU WILL BE CAUGHT AND
RELEASED.
VERSUS NOT HAVING A CHILD.
THE "NEW YORK TIMES"
REPORTED IN APRIL THAT IN
FACT, PEOPLE ARE ADMITTING
THIS FAMILIES BROUGHT
CHILDREN KNOWING THERE WAS A
BETTER CHANCE THEY WOULD GET
THROUGH AND BE RELEASED AND
OTHERS, THIS IS THE SERIOUS
DYNAMIC WITH UNACCOMPANIED
MINORS, AND MINORS IN
CHILDREN ARE PEOPLE POSING
AS PARENTS.
SO HERE WE HAVE THE OUTRAGES
OVERCOMING THE FACTS.
I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
THREE REASONS WHY ADULTS OR
PARENTS ARE SEPARATED FROM
CHILDREN.
ONE, THEY ARE POSING AS THE
PARENT AND THEY'RE NOT THE
PARENT.
THEY ARE A THREAT TO THE
CHILD.
OR THEY ARE PUT INTO
CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS.
THIS IS -- IT'S NOT A WHOLE
SCALE.
>> ZERO TOLERANCE.
>> AND SO THIS IS ALSO,
AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT WAS
HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE
OBAMA REGIME AS WELL.
BUT IT COMES DOWN TO CATCH
AND RELEASE.
BUT WE HAVE FACILITATED THE
PARENTS BRING ACROSS THE
BORDER IN A WAY GAME THE
SYSTEM.
THIS IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT
WANTS TO STOPPED.
HE STATED HE WANTS IT
STOPPED.
ALL OF US ARE OUTRAGED THAT
WE ARE EVEN IN THIS DYNAMIC
AND IT COMES DOWN TO AN OR
DID HELY IMMIGRATION DYNAMIC
AND SECURITY AT THE BORDER
WHERE WE CAN TREAT EVERYONE
WITH DIGNITY AND PEOPLE ARE
NOT ENCOURAGED TO MOVE INTO
THE COUNTRY IN THIS FASHION.
>> Martha: LET ME BRING IN
FATHER JONATHAN.
HAVE YOU CATHOLIC BISHOPS
AND FRANKLY GRAHAM ARGUING
THESE FAMILIES NEED TO BE
HELD TOGETHER.
CATHOLIC BISHOP ARGUE GOING
ANYONE IS HELPING TO
IMPLEMENT THIS PROGRAM AND
IS CATHOLIC THEY COULD
POTENTIALLY BE EXCOMIEWRN
INDICATED FOR BEING PART OF
IT.
>> OKAY.
THAT.
>> WAS ONE BISHOP WHO
ACTUALLY SUGGESTED THAT I
DON'T THINK IT REPRESENTS
ALL OF THEM.
THE FACT IS THAT WE HAVE 20%
MORE CHILDREN IN THIS
SITUATION SEPARATED FROM
THEIR CHILDREN THIS YEAR
COMPARED TOO LAST YEAR.
IT'S A BIG DEAL.
WE HAVE TO SOLVE.
THIS WE'RE NOT THAT FAR AWAY
FROM SOLVING IT.
BOTH PRESIDENT TRUMP AS WELL
AS THE REPUBLICAN AND THE
DEMOCRATS ALSO THIS IS AN
OUTRAGEOUS SITUATION.
WHOSE FAULT IS IT?
OF COURSE THERE ARE PEOPLE
WHO ARE FAKING BRINGING
CHILDREN OVER AND SAYING
THAT THEY ARE THEIR CHILDREN
THAT'S NOT.
OF COURSE THERE ARE PEOPLE
BREAKING THE LAW COMING OVER
ILLEGALLY.
ALL OF THAT IS BAD.
THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO BE
BIGGER THAN THAT TO SAY WHAT
ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?
THERE ARE CHILDREN THERE
ALONE.
IT'S TRAUMATIC FOR THEM.
TRAUMATIZING FOR THEM.
SAY THIS NOT FROM A
THEORETICAL PERSPECTIVE.
I LIVE IN THE SOUTH BRONX.
I SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING TO
THESE FAMILIES WITH THESE
CHILDREN.
I SEE CHILDREN WHO ARE HERE
WITHOUT PARENTS.
OKAY.
THE PARENTS ARE DEFINITELY
NOT PERFECT AND THEY
SHOULDN'T BE CROSSING
ILLEGALLY BUT THE GOVERNMENT
HAS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE
ARE GOING TO DO FOR THE SAKE
OF THESE CHILDREN.
>> Martha: WHAT DO THEY DO?
DO THEY CHANGE THE LAW?
DO THEY INCARCERATE FAMILIES
TOGETHER?
ENRIQUE, WHAT'S THE
SOLUTION?
YOU HAVE THE FOLKS WHO ARE
BREAKING THE LAW.
AND THERE SALAH THERE IS A
BORDER.
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CROSS
THE BORDER ILLEGALLY AND
THEN YOU HAVE, I THINK
EVERYONE HERE IN THIS
CONVERSATION AND OUTSIDE OF
IT WHO REALLY UNDERSTANDS
THAT THIS IS NOT AN IDEAL
SITUATION.
THE PRESIDENT MADE THAT
CLEAR HIMSELF.
>> I APPRECIATE THE
QUESTION, MARTHA.
WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON
SOLUTIONS.
I THINK THE SOLUTION IS NOT
SEPARATING FAMILIES.
THERE ARE VERY FEW EXAMPLES
OF GOVERNMENT USING FAMILY
SEPARATION THROUGHOUT
HISTORY.
WE DON'T WANTS TO BE PART OF
THAT THE SOLUTION IS JUST
NOT BUILDING WALLS AND
REDUCING THE LEGAL PATH FOR
IMMIGRANTS TO COME INTO THIS
COUNTRY AND, AGAIN,
SEPARATING CHILDREN FROM
THEIR PARENTS.
I THINK THE SOLUTION HAS TO
DO WITH FINDING THE ROOT
CAUSES OF IMMIGRATION.
HAVING A WIDER LEGAL PATH
PEOPLE COME HERE AND DO THE
JOBS WE NEED THEM TO DO.
A LOT OF SOLUTIONS THAT
WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, AGREE ON
IN CONGRESS.
BUT EXTREMES TAKING OVER THE
DEBATE AND NO SPACE FOR
COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION.
>> Martha: YOU HAVE A COUPLE
OF THOSE GOING TO BE
CONSIDERED EVENTUALLY IT
LOOKS LIKE WOULD ALLOW
$25 BILLION TO BUILD THE
WALL AS WELL AS A SOLUTION
TO THIS PROBLEM TO KEEP
FAMILIES TOGETHER.
SO IS THAT A WORKABLE
SOLUTION?
TAMMY AND FATHER JONATHAN.
>> WE DEFINITELY WANT,
ESPECIALLY IF THIS DYNAMIC
WHERE YOU CAN KEEP A FAMILY
TOGETHER WITHIN A SEPARATE
KIND OF FACILITY SO, YOU
DON'T HAVE TO SEPARATE THEM.
AND THEN THAT PROCESS IS
VERY QUICK, AS A MATTER OF
FACT, THEN THEY BECOME HOME
AS A UNIT.
COULD THEY GO BACK HOME TO
THEIR HOME COUNTRY AND
OTHERS WANT THEM RELEASED
HERE THAT CAN BE VERY QUICK
FRAMEWORK.
KEEPING FAMILIES TOGETHER
ONCE A CRIMINAL PROCEEDING
IS OVER USUALLY WITHIN THE
SAME DAY AND THEN SENT HOME.
THE OTHER FRAMEWORK, THIS IS
HOW WE HANDLE KEEPING
FAMILIES TOGETHER WHILE ALSO
RESPECTING OUR LAWS HERE AT
HOME.
>> MARTHA, WE CAN'T FORGET
THAT THERE IS TREMENDOUS
AMOUNT OF HYPOCRISY OVER
MANY DIFFERENT
ADMINISTRATIONS.
THE FACT THAT WE HAVE -- WE
ARE RIGHT NOW ALLOWING
PEOPLE TO COME IN, GIVING
THEM WORK, NO DOUBT, GIVING
THEM WORK AND THEN SAYING
HEY, LISTEN, BUT YOU CAN'T
BE FULL MEMBERS OF OUR
SOCIETY.
BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT TO DO
EVERIFY SYSTEM.
IN OUR SYSTEM WE DO NOT WANT
TO ACTUALLY FIND OUT WHO IS
ILLEGAL.
WE CAN'T FORGET THAT WE ARE
TAKING ADVANTAGE AND THERE
ARE CHILDREN WHO ARE GROWING
UP RIGHT NOW WHO HAVE BEEN
HERE IN THE COUNTRY FOR
THEIR WHOLE LIVES OR WITH
FAMILIES WHO SIMPLY, THE
PARENTS ARE WORKING BUT THEY
CANNOT BECOME FULL MEMBERS
OF OUR SOCIETY AND IT'S NOT
HELPFUL.
>> Martha: POLITICS DON'T
GET IN THE WAY OF A
SOLUTION.
BOTH SIDES WOULD REALLY
RATHER NOT HAVE THE OTHER
SIDE INVOLVED TO COME UP
WITH A SOLUTION IT SEEMS
WITH THIS VERY HOT DEBATE.