HIS FORCES BOGGED DOWN HOLDING
LITERALLY ON TO A PASS BUT ONLY
HE AND HIS CRONIES WANT.
THE L.A. TIMES WRITES,
ZELENSKYY SPEAKS TO A MODERN.
EUROPE SEEKING TO MOVE BEYOND
THE NATIONALIST TENDENCIES THAT
IGNITED TO WORLD WARS.
THIS MESSAGE IS CLEAR.
WHICH IS WHY ONE UKRAINIAN
JOURNALIST WROTE IN THE
WASHINGTON POST, I DID NOT VOTE
FOR UKRAINE'S PRESIDENT.
HIS COURAGE HAS CHANGED MY MIND
INSPIRED MILLIONS.
CAPTAIN UKRAINE, THE FIRST TRUE
PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE.
A HERO, A LEADER.
I WOULD NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD
SEE PEOPLE USE THESE TERMS TO
REFER TO VAULT VOLODYMYR'S LENS
SKI.
JOINING ME NOW IS MSNBC'S --
MALCOLM NANCE IS THE AUTHOR OF
THE UPCOMING BOOK THEY WANT TO
KILL AMERICANS.
THE MILITIAS, TERRORISTS, AND
ARRAIGNED ARE DRAWN Z OF THE
TRUMP INSURGENCY.
YOU SPENT A GOOD AMOUNT OF
SHINE IN THE RECENT DAYS IN
UKRAINE.
YOU GIVE ME SOME SENSE THAT
THIS WAS HAPPENING.
YOU WERE TELLING ME ABOUT
PEOPLE WHO WERE PREPARING TO
FIGHT.
IT SEEMED RIDICULOUS FRANKLY.
THE IDEA THAT THERE BE
INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE WITH NO
WEAPONS, NO MILITARY TRAINING
WHO ARE GONNA GO INTO WAR
AGAINST THE MASSIVE RUSSIAN
ARMY.
AND SUDDENLY, THAT'S WHAT THEY
DID.
>> AND IT WAS FASCINATING
BECAUSE FOR WEEKS.
THE MONTH THAT I SPENT THERE ON
THE GROUND.
AND THE UKRAINIAN ARMY, THE
CIVILIANS AND, THE CIVILIAN
GOVERNMENT JUST TOOK AN
ATTITUDE THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO
HAPPEN.
HOWEVER, I GOT THE TONE OUT OF
THEM THAT THEY BELIEVE IF IT
DOES HAPPEN, WE'RE GONNA FIGHT.
SO, WHAT YOU'VE SEEN HERE IS
THE FULL CIRCLE OF THEM NOT IN
DENIAL, BUT CERTAINLY HOPING
THAT THE ANGELS OF VLADIMIR
PUTIN --
WOULD ACTUALLY COMMENT TAKE
HOLD.
THEY ARE NOW IN FIGHT MODE.
AND I LIKE TO USE THIS MODE.
IT'S NOT THE SIZE OF THE DOG IN
A FIGHT, IT'S THE SIZE OF THE
FIGHT IN THE DOG.
AND THEY ARE PROVING THEY HAVE
A LOT OF FIGHT.
WHAT >> IS THE RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT
IN THE DOG, ORDINARY UKRAINIANS
AND VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, WHAT'S
THE CONNECTION THERE?
>> WELL, CERTAINLY HE'S A VERY
UNUSUAL CHARACTER TO BECOME
PRESIDENT.
HE WAS A COMEDIAN THAT WAS
PLAYING A CHARACTER THAT
ACTUALLY BECOMES PRESIDENT.
IT WOULD BE LIKE JOHN STEWART
OF THE DAILY SHOW COMING IN AND
BECOMING PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES.
WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY A BAD
THING.
SO, FOR THAT TO TAKE HOLD IT
WAS THIS IMPROBABLE CHARACTER
WHO SHOWED HIS TRUE CHARACTER
WHEN THE ABSOLUTE WORST GAME.
WHEN THE BOMBARDMENT OF THE
FIRST FIGHT, HUNDREDS CRUISE
MISSILES, BALLISTIC MISSILES,
AIRSTRIKES STRUCK HIS COUNTRY.
HE WENT FROM A SHIRT AND A TIE
TO WHAT HE'S WEARING RIGHT
THERE.
TO A COMBAT --
AND THEN HE WENT AROUND WITH
HIS BODY ARMOR AND FINALLY SAID
TO VLADIMIR PUTIN.
WHO EXPECTED HIM TO GET ON AN
EXECUTIVE JET AND JOT FLY TO
POLAND.
>> WHICH HE WAS OFFERED.
>> HE SAID I'M STAYING HERE TO.
FIGHT >> HE WAS OFFERED THE
ABILITY TO LEAVE.
THE MAN IS 44 YEARS OLD HE'S
GROWN INTO HIS JOB AND
AMAROK-ABLE WAY IN THE LAST
WEEK.
THIS IS A GUY WHO A FEW WEEKS
AGO DIDN'T SEEM TO BE TAKING
THE THREAT SERIOUSLY AS JOE
BIDEN WAS.
THOUGHT THAT MAYBE THE WEST WAS
OVERREACTING AND CAUSE PEOPLE
TO SAY, MAYBE HE'S NOT READY.
AND THIS HAS HAPPENED.
HE'S TRANSFORMED INTO A GLOBAL
LEADER OF SORTS IN THE FIGHT
FOR DEMOCRACY.
>> AND, YOU KNOW THE CHARACTER
THAT HE'S SHOWING RIGHT HERE.
IS VERY TYPICALLY UKRAINIAN.
AND THIS IS WHY WHEN I'VE BEEN
DOING MY SECURITY ASSESSMENTS
HERE IN THE LAST FEW DAYS.
I'M ONE OF THE FEW ANALYSTS
THAT BELIEVE, I THINK
UKRAINIANS COULD WIN THIS
THING.
AND WHEN I SAY WIN, I MEAN WIN
IN THE SENSE THAT RUSSIA WILL
NOT ACHIEVE MOST IF NOT ANY OF
ITS STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES.
I THINK THAT THEY IN FACT HAVE
SO MUCH EXPERIENCE THAT WHEN
THE RUSSIANS MAKE INROADS, IT'S
BECAUSE THEY WANT RUSSIANS TO
MAKE THOSE INROADS.
IN THE PLACES LIKE THEY DON'T
LIKE THE CITY OF KHARKIV AND
KYIV.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN DOING VERY
WELL.
EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE THROWING
THEIR --
ZELENSKYY IS THE EMBODIMENT OF
THAT DEFIANT NATURE.
AND THEY ARE WILLING TO TAKE
THIS COUNTRY TO THE END.
THIS IS WHY YOU SEE YOUNG WOMEN
TAKING AK-47 AND SAYING, WELL
I'VE NEVER FIRED ON BEFORE.
BUT I'M GOING TO NOW.
THESE WOMEN WERE FILLING
BOTTLES OF MOLOTOV COCKTAILS.
THEY'RE SAYING ALL THROW WENT
OUT MY WINDOW TO AN ARMY
PERSONNEL CARRIER.
YOU CANNOT BEAT THIS ATTITUDE.
AND GRANTED WE MAY HAVE --
TAIL ON THEM TO HELP THEM.
HOW DO YOU BEAT SOMEBODY THAT
CANNOT BE BEAT, YOU CANNOT BEAT
TRUMP DOWN.