>> Earlier on the show, we reported on Mike Pompeo going off on an NPR reporter.
He did that after she dared ask him about the firing of Ukraine ambassador, Marie Yovanovitch.
And so in the wake of that, Mike Pompeo went and yelled at that NPR reporter and unleashed
a fiery geography quiz upon her.
>> So the question everyone asks is what does Meghan McCain think about this?
And you could really compare Pompeo to a lot of people who have been the brunt of tough
questions from the media.
>> Scary ladies at NPR.
>> Just from the scary ladies at NPR but she chose one that you wouldn't expect, Adam Driver,
take a look at this.
>> There's a weird pattern right now of people walking out of NPR interviews, cuz remember
we talked on the show Adam Driver did it.
Because something he asked not to be played on NPR was played, so this is now the second
notable person that's walking out of NPR.
So I don't know what's going on over at NPR.
>> Just every fact about this is so fascinating, it's not even fascinating.
She could have picked anyone who was facing tough questions or maybe national security
you would invoke.
But no, she just thinks because two people walked out of interviews, those two people
are the exact same and it's the fault of NPR.
>> Yeah.
>> Adam Driver walked out because he was please don't play a clip of my acting, I have a phobia
about it, I don't like listening to myself.
And they did and he left because of that.
Mike Pompeo was asked about the thing that might unseat the president.
>> It's the same.
>> But he should have just said, listen, I have a phobia talking about foreign policy,
and all impeachment.
>> Yeah.
>> If you could really not talk about anything to do with Ukraine or anything, that'd be
great, yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> He should have just done that.
And then we would have all moved on and been, my god, he's so powerful.
>> Wow, what a great actor.
Those eyes and those strong arms.
Are we still talking about Pompeo?
>> I'm not sure, actually.
>> Adam Driver is quite- >> It's a State Department story, now in theaters.
So I sometimes feel a little bit weird being too hypercritical of Meghan McCain.
She's one person in the media but it's the most important political show outside of Fox
and Friends.
It's a huge juggernaut and she is incredibly well paid.
At least $1 million a year if not more, which means that she earned $8,000 while making
that one comment.
>> She earned a significant portion of a middle class income yearly to say, I've noticed a
sort of a pattern and I'm gonna, this is sort of behind the scenes, I guess.
This thing that we do, there are far harder jobs than this.
Honestly, all that you're expected to do on some networks, you have to be able to read
a teleprompter.
We thankfully don't have to do that because it's actually pretty hard.
But you have to bring one interesting thing to each story.
>> Yes.
>> And her contribution as someone who makes more than 99% of everyone else in America
is, I've noticed a pattern, one person physically walked out of a room and another did.
And I'm now going to make our show about that, Adam Driver.
>> Yeah, I don't know, it's crazy, they get a bunch of, I would pay money to see what's
on the blue cards.
>> Yeah.
>> Because those are the facts that they have maybe they asked for them, maybe they wanted
them printed out, but I don't know for sure.
But that was the only thing that she mentioned on the show.
She continued on to kinda hone in on who she blames for the mistrust between the White
House and the media.
>> Scarjo.
>> Well, say if you go into an interview and you're someone like Mike Pompeo.
And you say I wanna talk about this, I don't wanna talk about this, and you agree ahead
of time and that journalist breaks the agreement.
>> Right.
>> I can understand how you would get frustrated.
I didn't think he sounded that angry either.
Apparently they went- >> No later.
>> Apparently they went to another room and got into a fight.
>> Well, that's not the point, though.
>> Which is ridiculous as well.
But I will say that the breakdown between the trust between the media and the White
House right now I think is because of this.
Because you have journalists reporting off-the-record information all the time, then they think
it's for the good of the people.
>> But we don't know that that's what this is, because she apparently has all of the
texts between them, saying that- >> He has denied, I think it's a he said,
she said.
>> Okay, she messed up even saying that.
>> She corrected herself right after that, to be fair.
>> It doesn't matter, she released the actual emails.
It's got to be on one of those cards.
>> They did not agree just to talk about Iran.
First of all, it'd be a super low bar to expect the Secretary of State in a time of massive
crises in American foreign policy gets to dictate exactly what is asked of him.
But that's not even what happened.
And she was actively misinforming millions of people right there.
And going so far above and beyond to defend Pompeo to say that they got into a fight.
No, he yelled at her for nine minutes straight.
She wasn't yelling back and forth.
No one at NPR has literally ever yelled in their entire life.
>> No.
>> It wasn't a fight, it was a berating from a powerful person against a reporter.
And then she said, and that's why there's no trust between the White House and journalists
because they're unfair based off of this misconception that I have, that I have now spread.
I'm gonna justify this perhaps unprecedented multi year campaign against the free press
that we've seen from our White House.
How many ways could she fail in a 15 second clip?
>> Does she realize that she's just parroting the White House talking points?
Especially given, when you compare that to everything else she's said about Trump, as
it pertains to how Trump treated her father.
I mean- >> If you put it in those terms, she might
agree.
>> But that's it, and that's my central frustration with Meghan McCain, is she forgot what her
argument was last segment.
>> Of course.
>> And how what she's saying now, just because she has the thought, it doesn't necessarily
make sense.
>> But that's what she's paid to do.
I'm sorry, again, this is what she's paid to do.
She's paid to confuse people, to say the dumbest thing that comes to her mind, and to equate
apples with oranges.
That’s all she's there to do.
And Mary Luis Kelly, you guys, we've all heard her voice.
>> We have, it's the most- >> We've heard Mary Luis Kelly, there is no
one who is more benign.
>> Yes.
>> More inoffensive, more unassuming, more like well, maybe it's this maybe it's that.
If an NPR reporter can get under your skin.
>> I mean, this is someone who is reading, I feel like I'm being taught the Dewey Decimal
System in third grade.
We don't have that anymore but she is a librarian level-
>> Yeah.
>> Of confrontational.
>> Yeah.
>> Could you please- >> Yeah, maybe.
>> It's not passive aggressive.
>> Yeah.
>> It's passive.
>> It's completely passive, and I will say this about NPR.
Here's my central critique of NPR.
I actually do think that they give equal weight in a time when we are not equally weighted.
At a time when right and left no longer exists.
And that the right is running the board here and NPR holds firm to the idea that somehow
they're gonna be fair and balanced in this world that is completely unfair and unbalanced.
And Republicans are operating on complete bad faith terms time and again.
You turn on NPR right now, you hear the impeachment.
Well, three days of just non-stop evidence and laid out by Democrats.
Do you think they made their case?
>> That's the thing.
>> What do you mean?
>> Yesterday they were, and Ted Cruz just said because they mention the words Hunter
and Biden on the Democratic side.
Now that opens up the door for a legal argument that mandates that Hunter Biden is allowed
to come and testify.
I'm like, and that's what they're arguing.
>> Yeah.
>> Moving on on up first.
>> Yeah.
>> No, and that's exactly where it was, it was so frustrating.
>> Yeah.
>> They just do that thing where they present the side and they don't ask the question to
the person reporting, is that a good legal argument?
>> Yes, exactly.
>> Does it pass muster?
Would anyone uphold that in the court of law?
No, no, no, it's very frustrating.
>> And again, all to maintain stability, and I bet you after this NPR, I don't know how
much they're standing up for themselves, but I think they will watch themselves even more.
I mean because what- >> Yeah.
>> Meghan McCain and what the Trump Administration is asking of the media is utter and complete
obedience.
>> Yes.
>> It is to live in an autocratic authoritarian regime in which the fifth state or whatever
state it is, the fourth state.
What state are we?
>> The fifth element.
>> With the fifth element of state.
>> Six sense, seventh state.
>> Our sixth sense doesn't even matter.
The point is where there is no respect for the freedom of the press, right?
And we don't live there, okay?
Sorry, and if you can't deal with an interview from Mary Luis effin Kelly.
>> Log off.
>> Come on.
>> And then another thing, this is just the cherry on top, this is the last clip that
we have for you before we go to break.
But Meghan McCain said something later in the show about Bolton's book.
As everyone else is talking about the content of Bolton's book.
>> I know.
>> Here's what Meghan McCain had to say about it.
>> I think the title of his book is stupid.
And I think- >> What's the title?
>> Miranda should get royalties, it's in the room where it happened.
>> Which again, I think that Manuel Miranda should get money for him copying his title.
Look, it seems very interesting that he's monetizing this so quickly that the moment
it leaks the web page where you can buy his book goes up immediately on Amazon, his publishers
put it up.
I don't know what's happening here.
I don't believe that someone like Ambassador Bolton, who's a political animal for many,
many administrations automatically wakes up and has a conscience.
I've said that before on the show, I just don't believe it, maybe I'm too graded.
>> I agree with that.
>> He has a conscience.
>> Yeah.
>> I think he's doing it because he's pissed.
>> Yeah.
>> It has nothing to do with a conscience.
She was finally honest, she said I have no idea what's going on.
>> Yeah, that's generally true, that's why your spot should be filled by someone, even
another conservative.
Someone who actually understands conservative- >> Yes.
>> I wouldn't love it but.
>> Look at the way they treat her with kid gloves.
She's lowering the bar on every single conversation and they have to treat her with kid gloves,
otherwise they're not giving a fair shake to the conservative side.
>> They're actively not giving a fair shake to the conservative side by having her in
the first place.
>> Yes.
>> If I was an actual conservative, I believe that I would be more frustrated with them
honestly giving the middle finger to the right by having Meghan McKelly and implying that
thus I have balance.
>> That's how I feel watching Ana Navarro and Rahm Emanuel represent the left on panel
shows.
>> Yeah.
>> Ana Navarro, Republican.
I don't mind her as a person, she seems perfectly nice.
But I know when they've had her on to represent the Democrats and it's, she's a Republican
maybe.
>> Yeah.
>> Who do you think they're gonna get?
Are they gonna bring her in to replace Abby Huntsman?
>> I mean, I started the, #EmmaForTheView, get Emma Vigland on the View but we got to
tweet a bunch if it's gonna happen.
>> Obviously they're not gonna replace Meghan with that, but maybe Emma Huntsman, you know
what?
>> Is she some famous diplomat's- >> She's a Vigland.
>> Daughter?
>> She's a Vigland.
>> Vigland sounds like long distinguished- >> The Vigland industry.
>> The Vigland family.
>> All right.
>> Yeah.