I'm absolutely addicted to heroin right now.
Absolutely. You've never seen
your daughter using.
Did you watch that tape piece?
Yeah, I just saw that.
Is this the first time you've seen it?
First time. First time.
Let's take a look at Shayne
before she started doing drugs.
This is age 13.
Mm-hmm.
And then here she is at age 36.
And if you think drugs
won't ravage you,
I mean, obviously,
they will.
Yes.
By the way, when she got here,
she brought heroin with her, correct?
We found out after we got here
that she did. She smuggled heroin
on the airplane.
Yes, when we got here, I found out that she did that.
Okay, and you understand that's transporting drugs
across state lines.
Yeah. Yeah,
I didn't know she did that.
Many state lines.
That's federal.
Yes. Mm-hmm.
That's a federal offense.
Yes.
Okay, and then when she got here,
she then used the drugs, right?
I didn't see her personally,
but I know that she did.
She was saying that otherwise, she would get really sick.
She would get dope sick.
That's not true.
She doesn't need to smuggle heroin to California
to keep from getting dope sick.
Oh, I totally agree with that.
That's what she had said to me.
And we, sh- we um...
So you knew she was smuggling it?
No, God, no, no.
Well, what is it you're saying?
You said that's what she told you.
After she got it? After she got here.
After she got here?
After she got here.
Mary sent my producers two pictures of Shayne
after she arrived in Los Angeles.
Yep.
The first picture is Shayne passed out
after using at the hotel.
The second picture is Shayne at a pharmacy
picking up syringes for her to use.
Yes.
Right? Mm-hmm.
So
it's clear that she's using. That's why we're here.
Yeah. For your...
So obviously, her judgment's impaired.
Because she smuggled this on Of course.
to a scheduled air carrier
and transported drugs across state lines.
Mm-hmm.
I didn't know that. Which is a federal offense.
Yeah, I didn't know that she did that.
It was set up with a clinic
that she was gonna get methadone at a clinic here.
There was discussions at home,
'cause she had said, she had told me
that she was concerned and I said,
"Well, under no circumstances,"
I said, "I refuse to travel with you
if you think that you're going to do that."
Because, no, and then after, when we got here,
she said that she had snuck some in.
I had no idea that happened,
and I had talked to Shayne because she had said,
"What am I gonna do, what am I gonna do?"
We had figured out there's a clinic here,
she'd go to that.
So this is totally news to me.
And I would- I told her, she absolutely can't do that,
and Mary also told her that.
So I just don't want it to seem like
this is a free-for-all or something.
She was lectured. Well, it is.
It is, because you're dealing with an addict.
All you can do is tell 'em,
but you can't control all of her behavior.
I totally get that.
Didn't give her any money,
I mean if she needs cigarettes,
I'd buy cigarettes. Listen, this is her choice
and she's making it.
All I'm asking is that you don't make it easier
for her to do it.
That's right. Right.
It does not even occur to me
that you two endorsed her transporting drugs here
from there. Okay, thank you.
Thank you.
I get that.
And we took separate flights.
I wasn't with Shayne when she came, so.
I totally get that.
I think you would be horrified
for her to get on a plane with you, carrying drugs.
I mean, they could She could be
arrest all of you. thrown in federal prison.
Yeah, they could arrest all of you.
Yes, yeah.
Well Mary says that Michael is slowly killing
his daughter Shayne with his enabling ways.
Says this is, this new normal that's been created
which is allowing this to happen,
which is creating ways for this to continue happening,
is a serious problem.
You're interrupting me,
are you saying that's not what you said?
No, no I'm not interrupting you sir.
No, are you telling me that's not what you said?
No, I did say that. We record these interviews
Yeah, I did say that.
if you'd like me to pull that up,
'cause you're going no, no, no, no, no,
you're stopping me.
We record these interviews, I'm happy to pull that up.
Oh gosh no, if you say that I said it, then I said it.
No, I'm not saying that you said it, you said it.
(audience laughs) I have it recorded,
if you want me to play it back for you I will.
I'm not disagreeing with you. No, I'm good.
I don't remember saying it through that,
but no, if I said it, I said it.
I think she means in that context, of that direct...
No, but I, Dr. Phil, I, I...
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