>>> WELCOME BACK. TIME FOR THE LID.
OUR PANEL IS BACK.
MAUREEN, I WANTED YOU HERE,
BECAUSE I LOVED YOUR PIECE ABOUT
YOU AND THIS PRESIDENT,
PRESIDENT 41.
PRESIDENT 41. YOU WERE THE CHIEF WHITE HOUSE
CORRESPONDENT, RIGHT?
CORRESPONDENT, RIGHT? AMONG THEM, DURING THIS ERA.
>> I WAS, YES.
I WAS ONE OF THEM.
BOB WOODWARD ALWAYS SAYS, EVERY
PRESIDENT GETS THE PSYCHOANALYST
HE DESERVES.
HE DESERVES. >> AND THAT WAS YOU?
>> I GUESS IT WAS, YEAH.
>> WHAT WAS INTERESTING ABOUT
YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM IS
THAT IT WASN’T MEAN, WAS IT?
IF HE HAD A PROBLEM WITH YOU, HE
DIDN’T GET ANGRY.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. IT WAS LIKE A SORT OF A ’40s
CREW
CREW SCREWBALL COMEDY, LIKE I WAS THE
GENE ABOUT THANK YOU WORKING
GIRL AND HE WAS THE JIMMY
STEWART
STEWART STEWART WASPY RICH GUY.
WITHOUT THE ROMANCE, OF COURSE.
I WAS ALL CLASS RAGE AND IT WAS
RIGHT AT THE GUNNING OFBEGINNING
THE WHITE MALE WASPY PATE YARD
CAN I WAS BREAKING UP.
AND IT THINK HE THOUGHT HE WOULD
HAVE HORATIO HORNBLOWER IV
DRINKING MARTINIS AND HE GOT ME
CALLING HIM GOOFY AND, YOU
KNOW --
KNOW -- >> MY FAVORITE STORY IS HE
HAD -- HE HAD TO HIDE FROM HIS
SON THAT HE WENT AND SNUCK AND
HAD COFFEE WITH YOU.
>> OH, NO, HE WANTED TO HAVE
COFFEE WITH ME AND KENNEBUNKPORT
AND HE HAD KARL ROVE CALL ME TO
SEE IF WE COULD SET IT UP, BUT
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE HIM AND
HIS SECRET SERVICE AGENTS
SNEAKING OUT TO MEET ME AT A
COFFEE SHOP AND AVOIDING W AND
HIS SECRET SERVICE AGENTS, SO,
IT WAS VERY COMPLICATED, BUT I
LOVED THIS SKULL AND BONES,
SKULL DUGRY OF IT, BECAUSE HE
WAS THE HEAD OF THE CIA AND HE
STILL HAD A FEW TRICKS UP HIS
SLEEVE.
SLEEVE. >> KAREN, I -- I AM -- AS I
SAID, I’M IN THIS SPLIT SCREEN
WORLD, I DON’T WANT TO LET THIS
DAY GO WITH MUELLER AND WHAT
WE’RE LEARNING TODAY ON THIS
FRONT.
FRONT. WHAT IS YOUR SENSE OF THE
SIGNIFICANCE OF WHERE THIS IS
HEADED WITH MUELLER, ESPECIALLY
WHEN HE PUTS IN THERE, WHEN YOU
SERVE IN OFFICE, YOU KNOW, YOU
GOT TO BE HELD TO THE HIGHEST
STANDARD, WHICH PHONES MORE
POIGNANT TODAY AS WE JUST SAID
GOOD-BYE TO ONE OF AMERICA’S,
PROBABLY MOST FAMOUS PUBLIC
SERVANTS.
SERVANTS. >> WELL, THE SIGNIFICANCE -- I
MEAN, TO ONE OF AMERICA’S
MOST FAMOUS PUBLIC SERVANTS.
>> IT’S ONE OF TRUCK’S FIRSTMP’S
ACTS WAS TO GO TO JAMES COMEY TO
TELL HIM TO LET THIS CASE
AGAINST ANYONE SLIDE.FLYNN SLIDE
WE HAVE MUELLER SAYING KEEP HIM
OUT OF JAIL BECAUSE HE’S
COOPERATING.
COOPERATING. WE’RE GETTING SO MUCH
INFORMATION OUT OF HIM.
AS EVERY ONE HAS SAID EARLIER,
IT’S ALL IN THE REDACTIONS HERE.
IT DOES SEEM LIKE PEOPLE WHO
THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE OVER
QUICKLY THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE
SOMETHING THAT TRUMP COULD GET
PAST, I THINK AREN’T THINKING
THAT TODAY.
THAT TODAY. >> DO YOU THINK IT’S POSSIBLE
THAT THE LAWMAKERS THAT ATTENDED
TODAY’S CEREMONY LISTENED TO
WHAT EVERYBODY WAS SAYING TODAY?
AT THE SAME TIME THEY ARE
WATCHING WHAT’S HAPPENING IN
REALTIME.
REALTIME. THEY ARE SEEING A MAN OF BOB
MUELLER’S PEDIGREE MAKE THIS
CASE THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG
HERE.
HERE. SOMETHING SMELLS.
SOMETHING SMELLS. WE’RE SAYING GOOD BAI TO-BYE TO
MADE INTEGRITY HIS LIFELONG
MISSION.
MISSION. >> I THINK THEY WERE LISTENING.
I’M NOT SURE THEY FOUND THE
COURAGE TO ACT.
I THINK THEY KNOW WHAT THE NOBLE
THING TO DO IS.
THEY ARE FINDING WAY TO DO IT
BUT THEY HAVEN’T FOUND THE
COURAGE TO DO THAT YET.
MAYBE HE’S INTRODUCING A LITTLE
COURAGE TOO.
COURAGE TOO. RESTRAINT AND RESPECT.
I’M NOT SURE THEY GOT THERE ON
THE RESTRAINT SIDE AND I STILL
THINK THEY LEARNING ON THE
RESPECT SIDE.
RESPECT SIDE. >> THE STORY OF AN RNC CHAIRMAN,
GEORGE BUSH, BASICALLY NOT JUST
BEING A KNEE JERK DEFENDER OF
NIXON IN THAT MOMENT.
THAT IN ITSELF TODAY WOULD BE
CONSIDERED COURAGEOUS.
CONSIDERED COURAGEOUS. >> THAT’S RIGHT.
IT’S WORTH REMEMBERING THAT
MUELLER IS FROM BUSH’S WORLD.
ST. PAUL SCHOOL ATHLETE OF THE
YEAR.
YEAR. PRINCETON MARINE CORPS OFFICER.
UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA LAW
SCHOOL, THE THINGWHOLE THING.
THE BIGGEST PUZZLE TO ME AND
MAYBE SOMEONE HAS INTUITIONS
ABOUT IT IS THE WHOLE MUELLER
PROBE.
PROBE. HE GOT 16 HARD CHARGING, TYPE A
PERSONALITIES TO GET OFF THEIR
FAST TRACKS AND LUCRATIVE
CAREERS TO COME HERE.
HE DIDN’T SAY COME ON DOWN WE’RE
GOING TO INDICT SOMEONE CALLED
PAPADOPOULOS.
PAPADOPOULOS. HE TOLD THEM THERE’S SOMETHING
HERE.
HERE. HE MUST HAVE ENTICED THEM WITH
THAT.
THAT. SECOND THING THAT PUZZLES ME AND
NOTHING HE’S DONE SO FAR WITH
THE REDACTIONS CLEARS THIS UP.
WE KNOW WHAT THE RUSSIANS
WARRANTED TO DO.
THEY WANTED TO SOW SALT IN OUR
SOCIAL WOUNDS AND MAKE THEM
WORSE AND THEY WANTED MR. TRUMP
TO GET ELECTED.
THEY DID NOT NEED TO COLLUDE
WITH HIS CAMPAIGN.
THEY WERE MUCH MORE PROFESSIONAL
ABOUT THIS THAN HIS CAMPAIGN
EVER COULD HAVE BEEN.
>> I THINK HE’S ONTO SOMETHING
ELSE.
ELSE. IT DOES SEEM AS IF WHEN YOU LOOK
AT WHAT MICHAEL FLYNN WAS DOING
WITH THE COUNTRY OF TURKEY WHILE
ALSO ADVISING AN INCOMING
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,
THAT TO ME IS WHERE THIS PROBE
GETS MUCH MORE, I THINK,
TROUBLESOME FOR OTHER PEOPLE
AROUND THIS PRESIDENT.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. MUELLER REMINDS ME OF THE GUY IN
THE WHITE HAT HUNTING BUTCH
CASSIDY AND THE SUN DANCE KID.
HE KEEPS COMING AND THEY KEEP
TURNING AROUND GOING WHO IS THAT
GUY.
GUY. HE KEEPS COMING.
BUSH SENIOR LOVED AND RESPECTED
INSTITUTIONS AND TRUMP DOESN’T.
WHEN TRUMP WAS GOING TO FIRE
COMEY, THEY SAID YOU CAN FIRE
COMEY BUT THE INVESTIGATION GOES
ON AND TRUMP DIDN’T UNDERSTAND.
HE THOUGHT IF YOU JUST FIRED ONE
MAN, IT WOULD BE OVER.
HE DOESN’T EVEN FATHOM, I THINK,
THE TRAJECTORY OF WHAT’S
HAPPENING.
HAPPENING. >> I WOULD ARGUE THAT’S BEEN
PART OF THE PROBLEM, FOR
INSTANCE W THIS ISSUE
INSTANCE, WITH THIS ISSUE OF
CHINA.
CHINA. HE THINKS EVERYTHING IS A TWO
BIT REAL ESTATE DEAL AND HE’S
MORE OVERMATCHED THAT HE IS
FULLY APPRECIATIVE.
FULLY APPRECIATIVE. WHETHER IT’S MUELLER OR THE
CHINESE.
CHINESE. >> IN PART BECAUSE HE’S ALSO A
REAL ESTATE DEAL AND HE SEES IT
As A BRANDING EXERCISING.
AS LONG AS HE KEEPS DECLARING
THERE’S A VICTORY HERE THAT
PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IT.
THE FACT IS THAT THE ECONOMY,
THE WORLD ECONOMY, DOESN’T
OPERATE ACCORDING TO SLOGANS AND
NOR DO CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS.
>> ANDY, I WANT TO CLOSE WITH
THIS FINAL THOUGHT THAT WE WERE
DISCUSSING.
DISCUSSING. THERE’S A LOT OF THINGS WE’RE
PRAISING GEORGE H.W. BUSH AT THE
TIME WAS ORDS.INARY.
WORKING ACROSS THE AISLE.
>> I THINK IT SAYS MORE ABOUT
THE TIME.
THE TIME. THE MOB IS MUCH CLOSER TO THE
RULE TODAY BECAUSE OF THE
INTERNET.
INTERNET. MANY MORE DECISIONS ARE MADE OUT
OF EMOTION RATHER THAN LOGIC AND
JUDGMENT.
JUDGMENT. THERE’S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT
IT.
IT. IT USED TO BE THAT IF YOU’RE
ANGRY WITH A CONGRESSMAN, YOU
SENT THEM A LETTER AND IT TOOK
SEVEN DAYS TO GET THERE AND
WOULD BE IN THE STAFF AND YOU
GET THE ANSWER.
A THOUGHTFUL ANSWER WOULD GO
OUT.
OUT. TODAY YOU GET A TWEET AND YOU’RE
EXPECTED TO RESPOND TO THE
EMOTION OF THE TWEET WITH THE
SAME LEVEL OF EMOTION AND YOU DO
AND YOU GET STUCK ON STUPID AND
YOU CAN’T CHANGE.
>> I THINK ABOUT WHAT’S
HAPPENING TO THE FRENCH.
THERE’S THIS PROTEST.
IT’S SUCCEEDED BUT THEY DON’T
KNOW WHO TO NEGOTIATE WITH.
IT’S LITERALLY, WHO IS THE
LEADER OF THIS MOVEMENT.
THEY DON’T KNOW.
THIS GOES TO WHAT YOU’RE SAYING.
IT’S MOB RULE.
>> FIND SOMEONE IN YELLOW VEST
IN FRANCE AND TRY TO MAKE THAT
PERSON A LEADER.
IT’S VERY DIFFICULT.
THE ONLY THING WORSE IS A MOB
WITH NO HEAD.
>> THANK YOU ALL FOR SPENDING