>> Charles: IT WOULD BE NUTS FOR
HIM NOT TO.
ERIC, THANKS VERY MUCH.
WITH ME NOW, FORMER NEW YORK
CITY POLICE COMMISSIONER, HOWARD
SAFER.
WE’VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION
SEVERAL TIMES OVER THIS PERIOD
OF THIS -- EVERY TIME WE TALK,
THE NUMBERS GETS HIGHER AND
MORE.
THE IMAGES GET MORE BRAZEN.
I GUESS SOMEONE LIKE AN ALVIN
BRAGG JUST IS NOT GOING TO SAY I
WAS WRONG.
BUT MAYBE HE’S SEEING THE LIGHT
AND TRYING TO TAKE BABY STEPS.
ISN’T THE URGENCY FACTOR SUCH
THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING
MORE DECISIVE RIGHT NOW?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
ALL HE HAS TO DO IS DO HIS JOB.
HIS JOB IS TO PROSECUTE
CRIMINALS.
WHAT HE DID IS HE TOLD EVERYBODY
OUT THERE STEALING AND
COMMITTING VIOLENCE, YOU CAN
HAVE A FREE RIDE.
I’M GOING TO DO SOCIAL PROGRAMS.
I’M NOT GOING TO DO MY JOB.
THE CHAOS THAT WE’RE SEEING IN
NEW YORK IS EXACTLY WHAT I
PREDICTED WOULD HAPPEN.
>> Charles: YOU DID.
THE HAMBURGLAR, I’M NOT SURE IF
THE 250 LIMIT -- MAYBE WHEN
THEY’RE NOT COOKED.
THOSE TEN STEAKS, YOU KNOW,
MEDIUM WELL.
THAT IS MORE THAN $250.
ALL KIDDING ASIDE, THAT IS --
THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT HOW
MUCH NEW YORKERS JUST HAVE NO
DISREGARD NOW.
THOSE THAT WANT TO TAKE, JUST
WALK IN A STORE AND TAKE WHAT
THEY WANT.
>> WHEN YOU SEND A MESSAGE TO
CRIMINALS AND IT’S NOT JUST
BRAGG, de BLASIO DID IT FOR
EIGHT YEARS.
THE LEGISLATURE IN ALBANY IS
CONTINUING TO DO IT.
WHAT THEY’RE DOING IS BASICALLY
SENDING MESSAGE TO CRIMINALS,
YOU CAN STEAL STUFF, EVEN IF WE
DO ARREST YOU, YOU’RE GOING TO
GET OUT ON BAIL.
YOU’RE NOT GOING TO JAIL.
PROBABLY YOU’RE NOT GOING TO GET
CONVICTED.
WHY SHOULDN’T THEY DO IT?
IT’S THERE FOR THE TAKING.
>> Charles: I WANT TO ADD
SOMETHING HERE THAT JUST CAME UP
YESTERDAY.
A LOT OF FOLKS ARE SHOCKED, SOME
ARE ANGRY.
THIS IS -- THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION SAYS THEY WANT TO
OFFER FREE CRACK PIPES TO
CERTAIN CONSTITUENTS,
UNDERSERVED.
A EUPHEMISM FOR BLACK AMERICANS.
THE ROUTE THAT THEY’RE TAKING,
FEELS LIKE THEY’RE NOT TRYING TO
GET TO THE RET OF ANY OF THESE
THINGS.
DOES IT MAKE IT WORSE?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS SAID COPS
ARE RACIST, COPS ARE BRUTAL.
HE’S PANDERING TO CRIMINALS AND
LOOKING TO MAKE MORE DRUG
ADDICTS BY FACILITATING THEM.
IT’S SENDING A MESSAGE THAT
WE’RE GOING TO LEGALIZE THIS AS
MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
WE’RE IN DEEP TROUBLE AND THIS
NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
>> Charles: THEY’RE NOT OFFERING
CRACK PIPES BUT THERE’S A
PROGRAM TO FACILITATE SAFE DRUG
APPARATUS USE.
FROM WHAT I READ, I THOUGHT IT
INCLUDED CRACK PIPES.
SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?
ERIC SHAWN MENTIONED THE 90s AND
THE 80s.
I GREW UP THERE IN THE 70s WHICH
I THOUGHT WAS WORSE.
CRACK TOOK IT TO A DIFFERENT
LEVEL.
TOOK YEARS AND DECADES TO GET TO
WHERE WE WERE.
IT’S ALL UNRAVELING.
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?
WE HAVE TO HIT ROCK BOTTOM EVEN
THOUGH THERE’S AN EPIPHANY EVEN
THOSE THAT ARE ADVOCATES?
>> RUDY GULIANI GOT ELECTED
BECAUSE DAVID DINKINS SHOWED HE
COULDN’T DO ANYTHING FOR CRIME.
MAYOR ADAMS WILL PROBABLY GET
SOME SUPPORT.
HE’S A THIRD OF THE POLICE AND
THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
IF THEY ARREST SOMEBODY AND THEY
DON’T GO TO JAIL, THE COPS WILL
SIT BACK AND THEY’RE ONLY GOING
TO RESPOND TO CRIME IN PROGRESS,
WHICH IS A FAILURE.
WE NEED TO GET BACK TO BROKEN
WINDOWS, WE NEED TO GET BACK TO
STOP AND FRISK AND SEND A CLEAR
MESSAGE, IF YOU COMMIT A CRIME,
YOU’LL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
IT’S NOT HAPPENING IN NEW YORK,
LOS ANGELES, SAN FRANCISCO OR
CHICAGO.
THAT’S WHY MURDER RATES ARE UP.
ANOTHER ONE IS CAR THEFTS.