The question was about Candace Owens.
I think her behavior during this has been disgraceful.
Without a doubt. I can't.
Yeah, I think she's been absolutely disgraceful.
I think that I think that her, her faux sophistication on.
These particular issues has been ridiculous.
It's not faux sophistication. It's ridiculous.
Everybody can see the moves that she's making and the things that she's saying,
and I find them disreputable.
There you have Ben Shapiro calling his Daily Wire colleague Candace Owens
disgraceful over her comments and coverage of the ongoing war in the Gaza Strip,
which has, in fact disproportionately killed thousands of civilians,
including children.
Now showing concern for innocent civilians dying is apparently a big no no for Ben
Shapiro, who until now has kind of shied away from being overly critical of Candace
Owens or any of his colleagues publicly.
Just keep in mind the types of things that Matt Walsh has said on his show.
But with that said, let's dive in a little bit, see what Candace Owens has said
about this issue on the record, and maybe we can figure out what it is exactly
that Ben Shapiro finds so disgraceful.
Now, this tweet from November 3rd certainly caught my attention,
mostly because I agree with it, and I was shocked that she tweeted
anything that I would agree with.
But here's what she said.
No government anywhere has a right to commit a genocide.
Ever. There is no justification for a genocide.
I can't believe this even needs to be said, or is even considered
the least bit controversial to state.
Now, there are other things that I'm going to share with you in regard
to her coverage and her commentary, including what she tweeted out soon after
that video of Ben Shapiro was released.
But before we get to all of that, Jake, what are your thoughts
about Candace Owens tweet?
Now the tweet is 100% fine, and so that's not the issue.
Look, I'm conflicted about the right wing
that is now saying that Israel is wrong.
And partly because, hey, look, if we have bipartisan agreement that we
should not be funding the atrocities that's happening in Gaza and,
and we should treat Palestinians as human beings and value them, that's fantastic.
And I've been waiting for that breakthrough
to happen for a long, long time.
On the other hand, there are some in the right wing that are doing it.
Might be doing it for the wrong reasons.
And so Candace did support Kanye West after he said awful comments
about Jewish people.
Hitler. ET cetera.
And so that gives me very significant pause.
And then Tucker Carlson has also said things that may give me pause
about his views of Jewish Americans.
ET cetera. And so so that's why this is a tough issue
where there it feels to me some of the leaders at least, are accidentally right,
maybe for the wrong reasons.
And I'm worried about supporting that at the same time.
It's interesting the tack that Shapiro is taking because so we have people here
that disagree host that disagree, and we just air it out and
and we don't say they're despicable.
We just have conversations and make sure both sides are represented.
So he's taking a different tack. And that's interesting as well.
Yeah I think it would be more helpful to engage in that conversation
rather than, you know, talk about each other behind each other's backs or I mean
publicly but not directly to one another.
But with that said, I totally hear what you're saying, Jake,
because I do, of course, take into account some of the statements
that Candace Owens has made in the past.
I remember her being part of a congressional hearing where she said
some incredibly creepy things that seemed to provide cover
and defend, you know, Hitler.
So you should know that context, but you should also know this context.
None of us really know who Candace Owens really is, because if you dig deeper
into her history, she used to run a blog that was highly critical of Donald Trump.
She had a left wing perspective on political issues,
and then suddenly, without notice, she switched on pretty much everything.
So I don't know what's actually in her heart or mind.
What I do know is taken in a vacuum. I think that that tweet is totally fine.
But of course, you should never look at anything as if it's in a vacuum, right?
So you should take that context into consideration.
Now, with that said, there was a conversation that she had
with a Jewish comedian by the name of Amy Kozak on her show, and there were
a few interesting things that came up in the context of that conversation.
So I want to show you what I'm talking about.
Let's take a look.
People are feeling like they can't even speak about this subject,
or they can't talk to a person.
Like the way that you and I are speaking without being called a Jew hater.
And so it's kind of creating this weird situation
where actually it's furthering the problem to keep calling people Jew haters.
It's furthering the problem to call people anti-Semitic.
It would be more helpful to actually try to see where you connect
and see how you're feeling, because it humanizes things.
It's like, listen, I'm not Jewish, so I don't feel as radically
or as motivated as you do about this situation that's happening.
I am being selfish and American and saying, I don't want a single dollar
to go overseas because we've been in a bunch of useless wars.
And that might be upsetting to hear, but there's no anti-Semitism
in my heart when I say it.
It's just me being consistent in how I've always felt.
So she's coming at it from an America first.
We need to take care of our own country before we provide military funding
for other countries.
To be fair, she has been consistent on that.
She doesn't want to send any aid to Ukraine.
Whether you agree with that or not is an entirely different story.
But, you know, it's not like she's singling out Israel
while saying, no, no, no, we got to send a ton of funds to Ukraine.
But before we go to Ukraine, I want to go to one other moment in that interview.
It's short, and I just want you to pay close attention to her facial expression
when he responds to her, because I can kind of tell
that she didn't like what he had to say.
Let's watch.
I genuinely would vote against sending a single dollar to Israel.
Like I was vocal about not sending money to Ukraine or any other country.
It's nothing personal. It's just I am very much America.
First, I'm looking at what's happening in America right now.
I've been talking about what's happening at the universities.
There's a million ways I would spend that money.
And first and foremost, it would be to defend our own, our own borders.
And I don't say that to, you know, right.
I can understand that as a policy matter, as a foreign aid, how one believes about
foreign aid, the libertarian isolationist position, I fully understand it.
There were people who were fully pro-Israel in the world way back when, who
used to also say no foreign aid because it entangles us with America, with America in
ways that we can't have our independence.
I just thought that was an interesting moment.
An interesting laser eyes there. Anyways, look, I think that her tweet
and response to Ben Shapiro speaking out is a little bit more telling.
Again, it could go in two directions. I'll give you both directions.
But she wrote, blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called
the children of God, yada yada.
- Christian, you know, be fair. - You should read it, read the whole thing.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness sake,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you,
and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake.
So you can see that seems like a jab at Shapiro.
No one can serve two masters either.
You will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one
and despise the other.
You cannot serve both God and money.
And then she also added, Christ is King in the next tweet.
Now one way to interpret that is, hey, look at this wonderful religious person
who's quoting Jesus and saying, we should be decent and kind and loving to everyone.
That's a very generous interpretation.
But hey, you know, again, she's not wrong that we shouldn't fund the financing
of of killing Palestinian civilians.
The ungenerous version of looking into that is here's a Bible quote against this
Jewish guy and he's, you know, slandering me here and saying evil things against me.
And remember, Christ is king.
And so if they and you can't serve both God and money and presumably Shapiro's
money there, now, it's technically true because she works for them, but it's also
could be a reference to anti-Semitic tropes about controlling media, etcetera,
which she said and she backed initially.
So you can see how it could go in both directions.
But my guess is eventually there will be a rift, because Ben Shapiro
does have a red line and this is it.
Okay.
And and he tolerated the stuff barely, barely.
I thought he shouldn't have tolerated that.
This is a policy disagreement. Yeah, I agree totally.
I think he's got his priorities mixed up there.
But he's she's obviously getting very, very close to the red line.
And, and she has wants to make money on her own too.
So if they split she's going to lean.
My guess is she's going to lean into the crisis King kind of talk.
Right.
Look, I final thing I'll say about this is in regard to her last tweet
following his statement on that video that we showed you.
I find passive aggressiveness to be the most cowardly thing on the planet.
I like aggressive aggressiveness, so if you've got something to say,
say it and say it to the person that you mean for it to be directed to.
Don't be passive aggressive and don't do this like middle aged mom thing
where you use social media to engage in your passive aggressiveness.
Sorry middle aged moms, you guys know it's true.
It happens all the time. We all see it.
- Okay, I. Didn't even know that. - Let's be better than that.
You want to say something, just say it and say it directly
to the person that you mean to say it to.
That's all I'll say.
Look, we've had clashes here between the hosts.
Definitely. Yeah.
I'm surprised that they're not having a conversation about it.
And remember, these are the guys who say cancel, cancel culture.
Don't do that. Freedom of speech.
I mean, look, I don't know why I'm helping them with their business model,
but if I was them, I'd get Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens in a room.
I'd have that conversation.
It would be interesting to a lot of people and they'd, you know,
and they would get a lot of viewers.
I think that's the right way to hash it out, no matter who's in trouble
left wing, right wing or whatever, you know, motivation they have
for saying what they did, the best way to do this is to talk it out.
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