The identities
of the six Trump coconspirators.
Sara, what can you tell us?
That's right, Wolf.
As you noted,
there are six coconspirators
who are unnamed in this indictment.
We are prepared to identify
five of them
at this point
based on reporting from our CNN team.
I think most notably the first
unindicted coconspirator
who again is unnamed in this indictment,
we have identified as Rudy Giuliani,
the indictment notes.
This is someone who called
the Arizona speaker of the House.
That was Rusty Bowers,
somebody who made a presentation
before Georgia state
lawmakers and the person
that Donald Trump tapped
to lead his post-election legal efforts.
That is all Rudy Giuliani.
Number two in this indictment
is former Trump attorney John Easily.
And this is the person who wrote this
two page memo.
This was the plan
for Mike Pence to be able
to essentially overturn
the 20, 20 presidential election
while presiding over
the Electoral College certification.
Number three on this list,
another former
Trump attorney, Sidney Powell,
they point out that she filed a lawsuit
against the governor of Georgia,
which we knew.
They also point out in this indictment
that Donald Trump was espousing
the theories
of this coconspirator,
even though he had
privately admitted
that they sounded crazy.
We know all of that
to be Sidney Powell,
coconspirator number four on this list.
As someone we've talked about a lot.
Former Justice
Department official Jeffrey Clark,
the indictment
identifies him as a justice,
Justice Department official.
It also points to an email that a top DOJ
person sent to Clark
rebutting his efforts
to try to use the department
to overturn the 2020 election.
And again, number five,
we have approached another
pro-Trump lawyer.
This is Kenneth Cesaro.
He was someone who was very involved
in this fake electors plot.
The indictment points
to an email memorandum
that he sent to Giuliani on this
in December of 2020
about the fake electors plot.
So based on everything that we have
previously reported, everything
we know what our sources are telling us
and of course,
the work of the House committee
that investigated January six.
Those are the five
coconspirators that we are prepared
to identify at this point,
notably all attorneys
who worked alongside
Donald Trump in this effort
to try to overturn the 2020
election Wolf.
Really significant reporting.
Thank you very much for that, Sara. Erin.
All right, Wolf.
And of course, now
you can go through this.
And when it says coconspirator,
one, two, three,
four and five, fill in those names.
I want to go now to Caitlin
Polanco outside the courthouse.
And Caitlin,
on the back of Sara's reporting.
You have new information
about something here in this indictment.
What are you learning
Well, Erin, we are now
learning that the senior campaign adviser
who is
signified in this indictment
as one of the people
who was giving Donald Trump
the harshest
assessment that there was no fraud
after the election
that would overturn the vote.
That person is Jason Miller.
I have been able to confirm that.
I've reached out
to a representative of his
and received no comment back,
but I have been able to confirm that.
That is indeed Jason Miller.
And this episode is
just one of the highlights
of how
the special counsel's office
was using information
that the close advisers
to Donald Trump on the campaign,
people who even stuck with him
after the 2020
election, Miller continued to work
with Donald Trump, continues
to work with him.
These are people who were telling him
that there wasn't fraud
and that Donald Trump
and the alleged coconspirators
or the coconspirators in this indictment
who are not charged at this time
that those people were doing something
anomalous with what
the campaign knew
that there wasn't fraud.
And this particular mention
of Jason Miller
in the charging document,
it notes that he spoke with Donald Trump
on a daily basis,
informed him on multiple occasions
that fraud claims were untrue,
informed him
that ballot stuffing
that was being alleged in
Georgia was not happening
that there were not
a number of dead voters in Georgia
that would be sizable enough
to swing the election.
And he wrote in an email,
this is according to the indictment
on December 8th
so a month after the election
before the Trump electors
come together to try and certify
Trump won.
Jason Miller writes in an email,
When our research and campaign legal team
can't back up
any of the claims
made by our elite Strikeforce legal team,
you can see why we're zero 32
on our cases.
I'll obviously hustle
to help on all fronts,
but it's tough to own any of this
when it's all just conspiracy
beamed down from the mothership.
So that's what
Jason Miller
senior campaign
advisor was saying to Donald Trump.
And yet Trump
and the coconspirators
in the indictment
continued on pushing this
myth of election fraud.
All right,
Caitlin Polanco, thank you very much.
A pretty powerful sentence
there from Jason Miller.
And there was an expletive in there, too.
I'll I'll obviously hustle
up on all fronts,
but it's tough to own any of this
when it's all just conspiracy, expletive
beamed down from the mothership.
That's the level of disdain
and disgust expressed by one of Trump's
key inner
circle individuals
charged with putting this forward
again and again.
Telling Trump it was false.
I want to go now
to Ty Cobb, the former
Trump White House lawyer.
And, Ty,
I know you've had a chance
to read through
all 45 pages of this indictment.
What stands out to you so far?
Several things, I think,
is that, as we discussed previously,
in terms of what
to expect,
you know,
that we've got exactly what we expected,
which was a very,
very detailed, laborious,
easy to follow narrative of exactly why
Donald Trump failed the country
and put his own interests
over those of the United States.
It it is
There is nothing in here
that's gratuitous.
There's nothing in here that's obscure.
It's very easily understood.
And I think
most sane Americans reading
this will understand
that something very grave happened.
I would like to articulate
the gravity of this,
but I can't possibly do better
than the letter from Judge Luttig.
That was the same Judge Luttig that was
just moments ago. Read on.
On your air. I think he is
has always been a straight shooter.
I think he, like me,
feels that the Republican Party
really cannot sustain itself
without an abject rejection of Trump
and a recognition
that he needs to go into the rear view.
And I think he's a great statesman
when he
said what he said about
the significance and consequences
of this day, having to take this,
you know,
sad step
with regard to a former president.
And our Jamie Gangel just sharing
that statement
that she obtained from Judge Luttig.
Is there anything
Ty, as you read through,
you say that
there's nothing gratuitous in here.
Is there anything that you think
is not here that should be here?
Is there anything that is missing
No, I don't.
I don't believe so.
I think it's I think it is
this the states, the charges
in a very understandable way and in
a very
and in a difficult way,
because he's
the only defendant,
it makes it very difficult for Trump
to deflect blame here and to spin it.
Now, having said that,
you know, the reference to the
to the coconspirators
is that they are coconspirators,
not that they're
unindicted coconspirators,
which raises the possibility
they may well have been indicted
and justice may be following,
you know, the traditional step
that justice
follows of not announcing an indictment
unless a
defendant is,
you know, arrested and or arraigned.
So it's it's it's conceivable
that there is a fuller indictment
upcoming.
It's conceivable
that some of these people have already
pled guilty.
It's conceivable that some people may
read this, some of the people
and they may read this and and go ahead
and and plead but I don't believe that,
you know,
anybody who is listed as a coconspirator
was surprised to see themselves mentioned
in the way they are today. Right.
And of course, we have identified Sara
Murray was just reporting
five of the six, the six being a campaign
or political consultant
who was instrumental.
Right.
And there's a few people
that that could possibly be.
But we're not going to,
you know,
make assumptions here
until we know for sure.
But we do know who all of the others are.
Interesting, Ty,
that you say
that they could have already pled
or that they could already be charged.
We just don't know.
And we don't know
the status of any of those.
I do wonder, Ty,
your view on the timing here.
We were having a robust conversation
a few moments ago
about whether the American
people deserve a verdict in this case
from a jury of their own peers
ahead of an election.
Given that this alleges
that a former president
tried to, you know,
basically stage a coup
and it lays it all out.
Do you think that there's any chance
that that happens,
that there is a verdict in this case
before the actual election? 20. 24?
I think there's an outside chance.
I do think
this raises some this case raises.
Unlike Mar a Lago.
This case raises
some significant First Amendment issues.
And Jack Smith alludes to what Trump's
First Amendment rights are.
And accurately.
Yeah, right at the beginning.
And accurately identifies, you know,
where those rights,
you know, meet the wall,
you know, at the at the point of,
you know, the deception and conspiracy
that are charged.
I want to apologize if I said that
the coconspirators
may have actually already pled out.
What I meant to say if I said that was
they may have already agreed to plead
because had they pled,
we would know that.
All right.
Well, Ty, thank you very much.
And thank you for that.
Making that clear I appreciate it.