HIS ALLIES LIKELY COMMITTED
FELONIES BY TRYING TO OVERTURN
THE 2020 ELECTION RESULTS.
>> FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
SON-IN-LAW, JARED KUSHNER, IS
SCHEDULED TO COME BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE LATER ON THIS WEEK.
>> THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE IS
SET TO VOTE ON CONTEMPT OF
CONGRESS CHARGES FOR TWO FORMER
AIDES TO PRESIDENT TRUMP.
>> AND THOSE VOTES ARE COMING
WITHIN THE HOUR.
A LOT OF NEWS HERE.
AND WE ARE JOINED FOR A LEGAL
BREAKDOWN BY FORMER ACTING
SOLICITOR GENERAL, NEAL, WELCOME
BACK, SIR.
>> THANK YOU.
>> GREAT TO HAVE YOU.
TWO CONTEMPT VOTES COMING UP
AGAINST SCAVINO AND NAVARRO.
WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE STRENGTH
OF THE HOUSE'S ARGUMENT HERE
THAT THEY SHOULD BE HELD IN
CONTEMPT WHICH MEANS THEY COULD
BE INDICTED?
>> THE HOUSE HAS AN INCREDIBLY
STRONG ARGUMENT, ARI.
AS YOU SAY, MARK MEADOWS HAD
SOME SORT OF ARGUMENTS TO MAYBE
NOT BE PROSECUTED FOR CONTEMPT
AND AMERICAMERRICK GARLAND'S IS
EVALUATING THAT NOW.
THESE GUYS HAVE SQUAT TO USE THE
TECHNICAL LEGAL TERM.
I MEAN, IT'S ASTOUNDING TO ME
THAT THEY ARE MAKING THE SAME
EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE ARGUMENTS
THAT TRUMP'S INNER CIRCLE MADE
SIX MONTHS AGO AND TRUMP MADE
AND IT GOT REJECTED BIT UNITED
STATES SUPREME COURT IN AN 8-1
DECISION.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THESE PEOPLE?
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
NEXT BIG LEGAL MOVE IS.
SOMETHING LIKE SOURDOUGH STARTER
AND LISTENING TO FOLKLORE OR
SOMETHING?
WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS.
>> AND MR. NAVARRO IS DIFFERENT
IN THAT HE HAS BEEN VERY VOL
USUAL.
I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT
MOST PEOPLE INCLUDING TRUMP
AIDES AND ALLIES HAVE KPLAD WITH
WITH THE COMMITTEE.
NAVARRO AND SCAVINO ARE AMONG A
HANDFUL OF ALLIES WHO REFUSED TO
SIT FOR INTERVIEWS OR TURN OVER
ARGUMENTS.
750 WITNESSES, INCLUDING TOP
WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS COMPLIED
WITH THE COMMITTEE'S REQUEST.
CONTRAST THAT TO SOME MORE OF
WHAT PETER NAVARRO TOLD ME HE
SEEMED TO FEEL BECAUSE HE CARES
ABOUT THIS AND HAS HIS ANGRY
PASSIONATE VIEW ABOUT WHAT
SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THE
ELECTION, EVERYONE ELSE, THE
COMMITTEE, PENCE, WHO OUTRANKS
HIM, EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES IS
WRONG.
HERE IS WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THAT
IN THE INTERVIEW.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO FORMER VICE
PRESIDENT PENCE?
>> I WOULD LOVE TO DO AN
INTERVENTION WITH MIKE PENCE.
>> HE SAYS YOU ARE I DON'T
THINK.
>> MIKE WAS A PUPPET.
HE BETRAYED THE PRESIDENT.
>> YOU THINK HE IS WRONG,
DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE LAW OR
THE CONSTITUTION?
>> YES.
>> THAT'S HOW IT WENT BACK AND
FORTH.
THE REPORT HAS MORE DETAILS ON
THAT.
IT GETS SERIOUS AND LEGAL
TONIGHT WITH A CONTEMPT VOTE.
PETER NAVARRO SEEMS TO THINK
THAT IF HE HAS A STRONG OPINION
ABOUT SOMETHING, IF HE FEELS
STRONGLY ABOUT IT, THEN THE
RULES AND THE LAW DOESN'T APPLY
TO HIM.
DO YOU SEE HIM AT A CERTAIN
POINT AS SORT OF THE WILL SMITH
OF THIS PROBE WHERE HE DOESN'T
THINK THE RULES APPLY AND THAT'S
NOT TRUE?
>> YEAH, I MEAN, ARI, I MEAN,
THAT INTERVIEW YOU DID WAS
BEAUTIFUL.
IT REALLY DID GET TO THE ESSENCE
OF THE THING.
AND, LOOK, EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE
IS A REAL THING.
IT EXISTS.
IT EXISTED SINCE THE FOUNDING
AND IT'S DESIGNED TO PROTECT
PRESIDENTIAL SECRECY, FOREIGN
AFFAIRS DISCUSSIONS AND THE
LIKE.
IT'S NOT SELECTIVELY ALLOWING A
PRESIDENT AND HIS HENCHMEN TO
DECIDE, WELL, I'LL TELL ARI
SOMETHING OR AS PETER NAVARRO
DID WRITE ABOUT IT IN MY BOOK
BUT I WON'T TELL A COURT AND I
WON'T TELL THE CONGRESS.
WHEN YOU DO THOSE THINGS, YOU
WAIVE WHATEVER PRIVILEGE CLAIMS
YOU HAVE GOT, WHICH IS WHY
NAVARRO'S CLAIM IS THE ABSOLUTE
ROCK BOTTOM WEAKEST.
I RESPECT HIM FOR COMING ON THE
SHOW AND BEING A FRIEND OF THE
SHOW AND TAKING QUESTIONS AND
ANSWERING HONESTLY, BUT HE BLEW
THE EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE CLAIM HE
MIGHT HAVE HAD.
>> AND AS YOU SAY, THERE IS
TRANSPARENCY, WHICH IS WE'RE
TRYING TO GET INFORMATION AND
EVIDENCE.
AND THEN THE LEGAL SIDE, THE
FACT THAT HE DECIDED TO GIVE
MORE EVIDENCE TO VOLUNTARY
SETTINGS LIKE INTERVIEWS THAN TO
LEGALLY REQUIRED ONES LIKE
SUBPOENA-BACKED INVESTIGATIONS
IS A THEORY, IF YOU WANT TO CALL
IT THAT, OR A THIN CASE THAT HE
IS MAKING THAT THE CONGRESS
APPEARS TO DISAGREE WITH AND WE
ARE GOING TO TRACK THAT VOTE
TONIGHT.
THAT EFFORT FOR WHAT HE CALLS A
SWEEP, WHAT I PRESSED HIM ON AS
A COUP, OVERLAPS WITH THE NEWS A
JUDGE SAYING THIS, I MENTIONED
THE JUDGE SAYING TRUMP LIKELY
COMMITTED A CRIME IS A BIG DEAL.
YOU USUALLY DON'T SEE THAT TALK
IN A RULING.
QUOTE, IT WAS A COUP IN SEARCH
OF A LEGAL THEORY AND IT WOULD
HAVE PERMANENTLY ENDED THE
PEACEFUL TRANSITION OF POWER.
STARK LANGUAGE FROM RULINGS THAT
YOU AND I KNOW AND ANYONE WHO
HAS HOPPED ONLINE TO DOWNLOAD
ONE OF THESE KNOWS, ARE USUALLY
QUITE CAREFUL, SOBER, MEASURED.
THIS IS NOT A TWEET.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO SO
SOMETHING SO STARKLY PUT BY A
JUDGE?
GIVE US YOUR REACTION TO THIS
RULING.
>> IT'S HUGELY SIGNIFICANT.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE SEEN A CASE
GO MORE SIDEWAYS.
I MEAN, THIS STARTED OUT AS A
CLAIM ABOUT ATTORNEY/CLIENT
PRIVILEGE, ABOUT ONE OF TRUMP'S
ATTORNEYS, AND IT'S WOUND UP
WITH A FEDERAL JUDGE WRITING A
44-PAGE WRITTEN OPINION THAT
CONCLUDES THAT DONALD TRUMP
LIKELY COMMITTED SERIOUS FEDERAL
FELONIES.
AND THAT ISN'T SOMETHING YOU
SEE.
YOU DON'T SEE FEDERAL JUDGES
ACCUSING A PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES OF COMMITTING
FEDERAL FELONIES.
BUT THIS JUDGE DID.
HE WENT THROUGH IN METICULOUS
DETAILS, THE CONSPIRACY STATUTE
AND CONCLUDED DONALD TRUMP
LIKELY COMMITTED FEDERAL CRIMES.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
>> WELL, IT'S WRITTEN LIKE A
PROSECUTION MEMO, LIKE SOMETHING
A PROSECUTOR WOULD WRITE TO HER
BOSS TO SAY I WANT TO INDICT
THIS PERSON.
BUT IT'S A FEDERAL JUDGE DOING
SO.
AND, LOOK, I THINK WE ARE
FRUSTRATED WITH MERRICK GARLAND
AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME
THAT HE HAS HAD THESE
INVESTIGATIONS.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF AN
INVESTIGATION THERE HAS BEEN
INTO TRUMP.
BUT YOU CAN'T READ THIS OPINION
AND DO ANYTHING ELSE IF YOU ARE
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BUT MAKE
SURE AND GET TO THE VERY BOTTOM
OF EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED WITH
DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF IN JANUARY
6th.
IT'S ONE THING TO TALK ABOUT
MEADOWS OR BANNON OR, YOU KNOW,
NAVARRO OR ALL OF THESE OTHER
PEOPLE.
IT'S ANOTHER THING TO TALK ABOUT
THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF COMMITTING
WRONGDOING, WHICH IS WHAT THAT
FEDERAL JUDGE SAID.
>> ALL PUT QUITE CLEARLY.
I WILL MENTION, BECAUSE THERE IS
SO MUCH NEWS, WE HAD TROUBLE
FITTING IT ALL IN THE HEADLINE
BANNER BELOW AND I DIDN'T GET TO
ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO
KNOW FROM JARED KUSHNER.
THAT'S LATER IN THE WEEK.
AND THE GINNY THOMAS QUESTIONS,
WHICH RELATE TO ALL OF THIS.
LUCKILY, WE GET NEAL FREQUENTLY