>> RUSSIA VIOLATED ALL OF OUR
LEGAL SYSTEM.
ALL THE INTERNATIONAL LAWS.
THEY WANT TO TAKE US BY FORCE
AND CONTROL.
THE ONLY WAY HOW YOU CAN PREVENT
GENOCIDE HERE, IS ONLY BY FORCE.
I NEVER WANTED ANYONE TO KILL
ANYONE.
I’M THE MOST PEACEFUL PERSON IN
THE WORLD.
UKRAINIANS ARE.
THEY’RE COMING AND KILLING US.
PLEASE STOP THEM.
PLEASE COME AND SAVE US.
>> Neil: ALL RIGHT.
THAT WOMAN HAS BECOME AN
INTERNATIONAL ROCK STAR.
SHE’S OF COURSE HOLED UP IN A
SHELTER RIGHT NOW IN UKRAINE
WITH HER THREE CHILDREN.
SHE’S FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT
AND SAYS THE UKRAINIANS WILL
NEVER GIVE UP.
JOINING ME RIGHT NOW, JOHN
NEGROPONTE.
AMBASSADOR, GOOD TO HAVE YOU.
THE FIGHT OF THE UKRAINIAN
PEOPLE IS NOT IN DOUBT HERE.
THE MORE THEY SHOW IT, THE MOST
FRUSTRATED VLADIMIR PUTIN GETS,
WHAT NEXT?
>> GOOD AFTERNOON.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON YOUR
SHOW, NEIL.
YEAH, I MEAN, I WONDER THE NEXT
THING.
PUTIN HAVING THE KIND OF
PERSONALITY HE DOES, IT MAKES HE
WONDER WHETHER HE’S GOING TO
THROW MORE AT IT, THE MORE
RESISTANCE HE GETS, THE MORE HE
WILL THROW AT IT.
OF COURSE, IN THE END, RUSSIA IS
A LARGER, MORE POWERFUL COUNTRY,
HAS A STRONGER AND BIGGER
MILITARY AND HAS NUCLEAR
WEAPONS.
>> NOT THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO
BE CONTEMPLATED BY MR. PUTIN,
ALTHOUGH HE’S MADE SOME
UNFORTUNATE GESTURES, I THINK.
YEAH, THERE’S A BIG RISK OUT
THERE THAT ULTIMATELY PUTIN WILL
SEEK TO INFLICT AS MUCH
PUNISHMENT AS HE CAN ON THE
COUNTRY OF UKRAINE.
THAT’S NOT TO SAY WE HAVEN’T
DONE A LOT TO HELP.
IN TERMS OF MILITARY ASSISTANCE,
THE RESPONSE OF EUROPE IS
HEARTENING AND ENCOURAGING.
YOU’VE SEEN A TURN AROUND IN A
NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COUNTRIES
LIKE GERMANY.
NOW WELLING TO EXPORT LETHAL
WEAPONS TO ANOTHER COUNTRY AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE --
>> Neil: TO THAT POINT, SIR,
SORRY TO JUMP BECAUSE I’M GLAD
YOU MENTIONED, VLADIMIR PUTIN
RESPONDED TO THAT.
HE WAS STUNNED THAT GERMANY DID
THAT.
HE SAID THAT IF THOSE GETTING TO
USE THEM, I’M PARAPHRASING,
WATCH OUT.
WHAT CAN HE DO TO GERMANY WHEN
HE SAYS "WATCH OUT"?
>> I DON’T KNOW.
BUT THE QUESTION ARISES, WELL
WHAT ABOUT THESE COUNTRIES THAT
HAVE DECIDED TO HELP THE
UKRAINIANS?
LOOK FOR SOME WAY TO RETALIATE
AGAINST THEM.
IT’S HARD TO DO WHEN HE HAS HIS
HANDS FULL AT THE MOMENT.
THE BROADER POINT IN A WAY IS
WHATEVER HAPPENS IN UKRAINE,
THIS SERIES OF EVENTS AND THIS
INVASION I THINK HAS HAD A
CRYSTALLIZING AN UNIFYING EFFECT
IN EUROPE IN TERMS OF THEIR
RESPONSE.
SOMETHING THAT WE COULD NEVER
THROUGH DO OUR PERSUASION
MR. PUTIN HAS DONE IN SEVERAL
DAYS.
IT’S A STARTLING AND DRAMATIC
CHANGE.
I THINK YOU’LL SEE INCREASED
ARMS SPENDING IN WESTERN EUROPE,
YOU’LL SEE COUNTRIES THAT ARE
NOT MEMBERS OF NATO
CONTEMPLATING A CLOSER
RELATIONSHIP WITH NATO IF NOT
SEEKING TO JOIN IT.
A WHOLE SERIES OF KNOCK-ON
EFFECTS, NOT ALL OF WHICH THAT
WE CAN ANTICIPATE.
THE IMMEDIATE QUESTION AS YOU
SAID IS WHAT NEXT.
I WOULD SAY WHAT IS NEXT?
IT’S HARD TO SEE MUCH FURTHER
THAN A DAY OR TWO AHEAD IN THESE
THINGS.
MORE MILITARY PRESSURE FROM THE
RUSSIANS.
>> Neil: THAT’S RIGHT,