oh that's such a big question...
Streaming is exhausting...
You're just screaming into the void on Twitch...
You're just like I'm gonna take a week off and relax and that whole
week has just been is anyone gonna be there when I'm back...
Streaming is exhausting...
like it's really hard to get a follow on Twitch it's really hard and it's even harder to get
that person who followed to then turn back up for your streams even if I have a stream
that was really big it doesn't matter to me as much as if that stream had moments in it
that everybody's gonna you know remember if you miss a stream it feels like you've let a
bunch of people down and you're just like are they gonna come back streaming is exhausting
all right gang here's the deal I have done something a little bit evil
Sharkie: "oh no"
I have hacked into all of your social media your Twitch your YouTube your
Twitter everything and I've deleted them you have absolutely no following anymore whatsoever
Alex: "okay all gone"
but I am a merciful god
Lycel: "right"
so I will give you something back okay you can either have 100 average twitch viewers the moment
you go live tomorrow and you'll always have that minimum or you can have 1 000 views on every
YouTube video you upload in the first 24 hours guaranteed which would you like back so completely
from zero like this isn't building on what I have already without a doubt would be straight
for the YouTube option going live in twitch and having 100 people is all good and well but
unless you're really like changing the game on Twitch that number just doesn't mean anything
really in the grand scheme of things easily for me the Thousand views on YouTube without a doubt
to get that momentum straight off the bat putting into people's algorithms and YouTube going wait a
minute we can push this out to a lot more people if those first thousand views that's going to do
a lot more for me I think in the long run as a content creator than it would on Twitch because
as soon as you finish on Twitch you just go back to zero right you're only live and that's when
people can find you well with YouTube you're always live I I would go with YouTube because I
feel you can build there a little bit more right like if you can get a solid footing on YouTube
you can then build up that twitch back like from from zero the great thing about YouTube I think
is that it does have that longevity that you can put out a video and it might get a thousand views
and then five months down the road you produce a video which gets a hundred thousand views
and then that video that you made earlier that has a thousand views is now going to get more people
feeding back into it so you keep building on your content so it's a much better place to start
building content but when it comes to Twitch um if you have 100 viewers now uh but you don't have
anything to build on tomorrow what you do tomorrow is all you have you know yesterday there's always
mods sure there's vods but nobody really watches them even if you get the snowball moving on Twitch
itself it's still you're still limited like I've sat in top three of a category even top one of a
category and haven't seen that much organic growth that hasn't come from external sources 1 000 views
on YouTube you keep it up for like a short amount of time you're gonna get that 100 anyway instead
of a one or the other it's gonna become both if you just like put the effort in you're gonna get
both my God I don't stream on weekends like that's for me and my partner to enjoy and to
do family stuff and whatever it's hit Sunday night and was like oh is anyone gonna be there
tomorrow I stopped streaming three days ago like is anyone going to be there it's just like oh
where's like something like a YouTube video it's always there it's always like people are watching
it whenever I know there's vods and stuff but not a lot of people watch vods one YouTube's better
to monetize especially in our current climate to a regular viewers on YouTube is probably
worth more than a regular viewer on Twitches in terms of like going forwards like having a
hundred viewers per stream is pretty cool but in the long run you'll probably make more money and
more deals brand deals are worth more on YouTube as well YouTube YouTube as as a a monetary thing
far more stable than twitch having that ad revenue is far more stable than twitch and
so just from from a general standpoint if I had to start from scratch YouTube would definitely be the
way to go albeit it's incredibly hard to make your first dollar on YouTube where you have to have a
thousand subscribers and four thousand watch hours I feel like you're probably closer to getting 4
000 watch hours with 1 000 consistent views on every single video that you upload in the long
run I'd say YouTube's better because like worst case scenario you start streaming on YouTube then
once you've built more of a following YouTube is a platform that does everything so I'll be able
to upload those YouTube videos I'll be able to stream on YouTube I'll be able to create
YouTube shorts and I will have a 100 conversion ratio because everyone who watched the video
is already on my YouTube I don't have to like okay hey twitch chat I I posted a YouTube video and
then maybe 10 people go over okay so you've just mentioned something really interesting there which
is conversion rate I want to ask all of you if you had 100 average viewers on your Twitch right
now say you chose the other one and you told those hundred while you were live hey I just
uploaded a new video go check it out how many do you think would go across to check out the YouTube
video and would that get you anywhere close to getting the Thousand views on your YouTube
video no probably not even close like getting people to go from like twitch to YouTube is
or it's impossible because most of the time they're already part of the people
that watch your YouTube videos so like you're just screaming into the void on Twitch not a lot
a rough estimate I want to say 20 to 30. at the end of the day internet people are lazy like if
someone goes oh I just post a new video and like I'm already watching their stream I don't want to
have to click on the link maybe five I don't know either way it's I feel I feel like it would be a
stretch that it was going to be 10. and then why would you want to take people away from your live
content you know what I mean like it just I mean I would maybe let them know there's a new video out
feel free to check it out when you can but I know that no one's really gonna go and check it out 10
or less people from 100 average would probably go and watch my YouTube video and then less of that
10 would probably watch it the whole way through the YouTube videos do reach a little further than
your Twitch ever will so even though say I have a hundred viewers on Twitch your loyal fan base
the ones that are like they love every single thing that you make they're gonna go over and
they're gonna watch it on YouTube it's not gonna be everybody but it's gonna be a chunk but YouTube
will be able to tell from who those 30 people were how to recommend it to 90 other people on YouTube
who like the same things so I think that you will generally reach more on YouTube than you will on
Twitch even without con contacts and you know a large base of people to pull from so all of the
twitch Partners here have kind of said they'd rather have a thousand YouTube views but I've
actually been polling my audience for the last few years and every single time I ask this question
the majority will always say they'd rather have a hundred average viewers on Twitch over YouTube
what do you guys think about that that's crazy I think like back when I started I probably would
have said the same thing too you just learned so much as you grow like what's important where to
put your time and what's going to be beneficial I guess like when you're starting off that's you
know that's the dream right you want to you want to get to that point maybe they're not viewing
twitch and content Creation in the same sort of like light that we're viewing it this is our job
we can sort of see those patterns of growth and be like okay what's more beneficial to us they're
looking at twitch being the success whereas the success is kind of like it's a it's a bit
broader it's a bit it's a little bit more than what twitch is it's about building an audience
that surpasses twitch and moves moves wherever you go not wherever twitch goes I think I think
they're focusing solely on Twitch it doesn't seem like much because I imagine most people are
watching YouTubers that are millions or hundreds of thousands you know and they might think that
a thousand is nothing but like when it comes to like where where at size wise like 1000 is
humongous and it's enough to like tell the algorithm that hey maybe I should like recommend
you a little bit I think a lot of people struggle to get to the 100 viewership and that I think
they also assume that 100 viewers probably means partner as well and I think a lot of people have
that on a pedestal and that's going to unlock a lot for them but I genuinely feel like growing
your audience elsewhere especially on YouTube or I'd even grow as far as say tick tock can open
up a lot of other doors and opportunities for you versus having that audience on Twitter okay
so let's figure out a gauge here how many average viewers would I have to give you on Twitch before
you started picking twitch instead of a YouTube video getting a thousand views in the first 24
hours could I do it with 200 average viewers 500 or is it gonna need something like a thousand
average viewers I right now would still not be comfortable purely making money off of twitch
uh so I'd say probably on the around the 800 to 1000 average minimum on Twitch before I
would take that over regular viewers on YouTube I think it's tough because like who wouldn't want a
thousand average viewers you know uh I think that's pretty cool but at the same time like
streaming is exhausting and yes making a video is just as exhausting if you're putting in a lot
of effort but you know you can have something you look back and be like I'm proud of that how
many vods do I go back to and I'm like this was a good stream none and then they're gone in like 60
days so EO you've actually had a lot of success lately in terms of your YouTube channel you used
to be purely twitch and a bit of Tick Tock but now you're really focusing on YouTube and I want
to know what your kind of thoughts are about that shift genuinely giving YouTube One Last serious
go before I said maybe you know I just can't make YouTube work has literally changed my life in ways
I didn't expect the only reason I'm sat here able to be a full-time content creator is because of
YouTube and all my growth recently is because of YouTube and I think I know it's really difficult
to get going but it's so worth it once you kind of get the momentum him started and did you have any
experience as a video producer an editor or really anything to do with creating YouTube videos before
this taught myself everything I know I started on Tech talk because making short form was easier my
YouTube really improved its editing after I had like my Tick Tock year or so the content was so
much better so you mentioned getting your start on Tick Tock and that taught you how to edit but
Jack you are one of the biggest Australian gaming tick tockers would you say that Tick
Tock was a similar thing for you that that was important for when you started out get on Tick
Tock I have never had more fun creating content than I have on tiktok it's it's nowhere near as
time consuming as YouTube and just like the amount of of reward that you get from Tick Tock compared
to like other platforms like you could stream for six hours on Twitch if I spent six hours
making tick tocks that set me for like a month and it's such a powerful platform like I went I
went from from zero to 2.5 million in a year on tick tock and I had a blast doing it I had so
much fun and I still have a lot of fun doing it so I just jumped off that call and I have so many
thoughts swirling through my head that I probably should take time to script out but instead I want
to give it to you guys raw which is always a bad choice I guess it really makes you think about why
you want to be a twitch streamer if you're doing it because you just like going live streaming and
not having a lot of stress attached to it well that's fine just have fun do your hobby that's
great but if you're doing this long term you want to do this sustainably comfortably you
want to do this where streaming will always be enjoyable and fun you won't have to stress about
people constantly coming in and subbing or people constantly supporting your career or doing bigger
and bigger streams every week to keep people going never hopping offline never missing a day
well it's almost like if that's your goal that you want to just always be able to stream comfortably
to viewers and not stress about money and do this full time well then you shouldn't
be streaming it's almost like starting out you should just not stream whatsoever and instead
purely focus on making tick tocks and YouTube videos and when you've built all those things
up go live to an already established audience but again that's not why we started streaming
it's just the truth of streaming nowadays and it's a really hard pill to swallow I think
but I guess like this video because it breaks down all of the new changes that YouTube just
released that I think will really help you grow in fact these changes got me a hundred thousand
views in the past 48 hours over on my new channel which I'm not linking you because you'll go and
ruin the retention rate because you're not interested in it I'll see you guys next week