AHEAD ON "SUNDAY MORNING
FUTURES."
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CHARLES: PRESIDENT TRUMP GIVING
ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR
BRAD NEW POWERS IN HIS REVIEW OF
THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION,
AUTHORIZING HIM TO DECLASSIFY
DOCUMENTS RELATED TO CAMPAIGN
SURVEILLANCE WHILE ORDERING FULL
COOPERATION FROM THE
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.
DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL
INTELLIGENCE DAN COATS APPEARING
TO ASSERT SOME OF HIS OWN
AUTHORITY SAYING IN A STATEMENT,
QUOTE: MUCH LIKE WE HAVE WITH
OTHER INVESTIGATIONS AND
REVIEWS, THE INTELLIGENCE
COMMUNITY WILL PROVIDE THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ALL THE
APPROPRIATE INFORMATION FOR ITS
REVIEW OF INTELLIGENCE
ACTIVITIES RELATED TO THE RUSSIA
INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, I AM
CONFIDENT THAT THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL WILL WORK WITH DIC IN
ACCORDANCE TO PROTECT CLASSIFIED
INFORMATION THAT, IF PUBLICLY
RELEASED, WOULD PUT OUR NATIONAL
SECURITY AT RISK.
THE IC WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE
TIMELY, APOLITICAL INTELLIGENCE
TO PRESIDENT AND POLICYMAKERS.
SO WHAT COULD THAT INTELLIGENCE
FOCUS BE?
HERE'S WHAT THE RANKING
REPUBLICAN ON THE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE, DOUG COLLINS, SAID
LAST WEEK HERE ON "SUNDAY
MORNING FUTURES."
>> THE MOST DAMNING THINGS I'D
BE LOOKING AT IS WAS THERE
ACTUAL LIES, WAS THERE ABUSES
THAT NOW ARE COMING OUT, WAS
THERE OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE
BEEN NOW MISREPRESENTED MAYBE
BEFORE CONGRESS OR BEFORE OTHER
AGENCIES AS WE GO FORWARD.
I THINK THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS
THAT YOU HAVE TO ASK.
WHAT I APPRECIATE ABOUT THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL NOT DOING IS
JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS.
HE SAID WE'RE GOING TO
INVESTIGATE THIS, SEE WHAT
ACTUAL WAS OUT THERE BECAUSE
THERE'S TOO MANY DISCREPANCIES
IN THE STORIES.
BUT IF THERE ARE SOME WHO ARE
NOW TRYING TO COVER UP THEIR
TRACKS, I THINK BILL BARR IS
GOING TO GET TO BOTTOM OF IT.
CHARLES: MEANWHILE, HOUSE
JUDICIARY CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER
GIVING AN UPDATE ON ROBERT MULER
GIVING AN UPDATE ON ROBERT MULET
GIVING AN UPDATE ON ROBERT MULES
GIVING AN UPDATE ON ROBERT MULEI
GIVING AN UPDATE ON ROBERT MULEY
GIVING AN UPDATE ON ROBERT MULEN
GIVING AN UPDATE ON ROBERT MULE,
GIVING AN UPDATE ON ROBERT MULES
GIVING AN UPDATE ON ROBERT MULEY
GIVING AN UPDATE ON ROBERT MULEN
GIVING AN UPDATE ON ROBERT MULEG
GIVING AN UPDATE ON ROBERT MULEH
GIVING AN UPDATE ON ROBERT MULEE
GIVING AN UPDATE ON ROBERT MULEW
GIVING AN UPDATE ON ROBERT MULEN
GIVING AN UPDATE ON ROBERT MULES
TO DO IT, BUT BEHIND CLOSED
DOORS.
HERE TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THIS,
CONGRESSMAN ANDY BIGGS, HE SITS
ON THE HOUSE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE.
CONGRESS BANKER THANKS --
CONGRESSMAN, THANKS FOR JOINING
US.
THIS IS A MOMENT A LOT OF PEOPLE
HAVE WAITED FOR, AND IT'S
INTERESTING.
I WANT TO GET BACK TO STATEMENT
FROM DAN COATS, BECAUSE THE
DEMOCRATS WHO ARE OBJECTING TO
THIS ARE SAYING THAT,
ESSENTIALLY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT
OUR OPERATIONS IN TURMOIL, WE'RE
GOING TO EXPOSE CERTAIN I WAYS
THAT WE DO INVESTIGATIONS IN
THIS COUNTRY, AND IT'S GOING TO
PUT THE ENTIRE IC COMMUNITY AT
RISK.
TO A DEGREE, IT SOUNDS LIKE DAN
COATS IS AGREEING WITH THAT.
>> WELL, HE HAS TO MAKE SURE
THAT THE CLASSIFIED INFORMATION,
NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION IS
CLASSIFIED AND REMAINS
CLASSIFIED.
BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT ANIMAL
HERE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
EVERYTHING FROM HOW IN THE WORLD
DID WE GO FROM GEORGE
PAPADOPOULOS BEING INVESTIGATED
BY THE INVESTIGATORS THEMSELVES,
HOW DID THAT HAPPEN.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE GENESIS OF
THE WHOLE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION.
THEN YOU HAD THE FUSION GPS
DOCUMENT, THAT DOSSIER THAT CAME
IN THAT WAS FRAUDULENT, THAT WAS
PAID FOR BY THE DNC AND RELIED
ON BY THE FBI AND THE DOJ TO GET
FISA WARRANTS.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE
DECLASSIFIED, AND SOME OF US
HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT FOR
OVER A YEAR.
SO I'M GRATEFUL THAT WE'RE GOING
TO START SEEING THAT
INFORMATION.
CHARLES: WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE
WILL HAPPEN NEXT?
WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL
INVESTIGATIONS GOING ON.
CERTAINLY, BY DECLASSIFYING THIS
INFORMATION, IT SHOULD SPEED UP
US, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, FINALLY
GETTING TO BOTTOM OF IT.
BUT WHAT DO YOU FORESEE AS THE
VERY NEXT STEP HERE?
>> WELL, THE VERY NEXT STEP IS
MR. BARR'S LOOKING THROUGH THOSE
DOCUMENTS AND WILL RELEASE THEM,
I HOPE, IN TRANCHES SO THEY GET
STUFF DONE.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE INSPECTOR
GENERAL HOROWITZ IS GOING TO
COME OUT PROBABLY WITHIN THE
NEXT FEW WEEKS, HIS REPORT ON
THE FISA ABUSE ITSELF.
AND THAT WILL BE VERY
ENLIGHTENING TO AMERICAN PUBLIC
AND, I THINK, FOR CONGRESS AS
WELL.
CHARLES: WE'VE GONE THROUGH TWO,
OVER TWO YEARS OF THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION, AND EVEN THOUGH
WE'VE GOTTEN THE MUELLER REPORT
WHICH HAD VERY FEW REDACTIONS --
CERTAINLY NOT AS MUCH AS PEOPLE
THOUGHT IT WOULD HAVE -- THAT
STILL FEELS INCONCLUSIVE OR AT
LEAST FOR THE MEDIA, MANY IN THE
MEDIA AND DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
SO AS FAR AS RESOLUTION, DO YOU
THINK THIS -- IT'S IMPORTANT TO
HAVE THESE DOCUMENTS NOT ONLY
DECLASSIFIED, BUT THESE OTHER
INVESTIGATIONS TO COME THROUGH
SO THAT WE CAN, ULTIMATELY,
REALLY, REALLY GET AUTHENTIC
RESOLUTION THAT EVERYONE SHOULD
ACCEPT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE THE
FINAL WORD.
>> WELL, WE WERE PROMISED THAT
THE MUELLER REPORT WOULD BE THE
FINAL WORD, AND BECAUSE SOME
PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THE OUTCOME,
THAT'S GOING ON.
BUT IT NEVER TOUCHED THE ORIGINS
OF THIS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU NEED THE
HOROWITZ INVESTIGATION ON THE
FISA, YOU NEED BARR'S RELEASING
OF DOCUMENTATION THAT WILL SHOW
HOW THIS THING STARTED OUT.
AND DON'T FORGET, YOU'VE GOT
MR. HUBER INVESTIGATING.
SO YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE LOT OF
INVESTIGATIONS GOING ON TRYING
TO UNDERSTAND, FIRST OF ALL, HOW
IN THE WORLD DID OUR POLICE
APPARATUS AND OUR INVESTIGATIONS
APPARATUS OF DOJ AND FBI, HOW
DID THEY GO SO AWRY AT THE TOP
TO USE THEIR POWER AND AUTHORITY
FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES.
WE'VE NOT TO GET TO THAT AND
REVEAL THAT -- GOT TO GET TO
THAT AND VEAL THAT.
LOOK, IF YOU CAN DO THAT TO
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
AND HIS CAMPAIGN FOR POLITICAL
PURPOSES, THEN BASICALLY NOBODY
IS SAFE.
NOBODY CAN TRUST THE SYSTEM.
SO YOU HAVE TO CLEAR THIS THING
UP ONCE AND FOR ALL AND,
UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK IT'S
GOING TO BE PROBABLY ANOTHER
YEAR OR SO OF INVESTIGATIONS
UNTIL EVERYTHING COMES OUT AND
WE CAN CLEAR THIS THING UP.
I HOPE IT'S SOONER RATHER THAN
LATER THOUGH.
CHARLES: RIGHT.
SIR, LET ME ASK YOU, YOU
MENTIONED THE SYSTEM ITSELF.
IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT WHEN IT
IS ALL SAID AND DONE, THAT WE
WILL HAVE A NEW BEST PRACTICES
IN OUR GOVERNMENT AND OUR
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY SO THAT
PERHAPS FRAUDULENT DOCUMENTS
AREN'T ABLE TO BE USED IN THE
FUTURE, THAT THERE IS SOME
REFORM WITH THE FISA COURT
SYSTEM, THAT WE ACTUALLY GET
SOMETHING DONE OTHER THAN
INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTABILITY WHICH
I THINK EVERYONE CRAVES, BUT
SOMETHING WHERE WE FIX THE
SYSTEM SO IT CANNOT BE ABUSED
EVER AGAIN?
>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S
SUPPOSED TO BE, CHARLES, AN
INDEPENDENT REVIEW OF THE FISA
SYSTEM TO INSURE THESE ABUSES
DON'T HAPPEN.
IT'S A SECRET COURT.
THAT'S PART OF MY PROBLEM WITH
IT, THAT IT IS SO SECRET AND,
OSTENSIBLY, THAT'S FOR NATIONAL
SECURITY INTERESTS.
DON'T FORGET THAT WHEN YOU HAVE
TRANSPARENCY, IS SO WHEN YOU
HAVE INVESTIGATIVE AGENCIES NOW
WHO TRY TO GO IN AND GET
WARRANTS AGAINST U.S. CITIZENS,
THAT GOES BEFORE A COURT AND,
ULTIMATELY, ALL THAT INFORMATION
CAN COME OUT, AND PEOPLE CAN BE
CHARGED FOR PERCENTAGE.
THAT -- PERJURY.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SEEING
WITH THE NICE IS SAW COURT.
THIS KIND OF TRANSPARENT SIT HAS
GOT TO START TAKING MACE, AND I
HOPE THE REFORMS ARE PUT IN
PLACE.
BUT THE REFORMS -- EXCUSE ME,
THE REAUTHORIZATION THAT WAS
DONE JUST ABOUT A YEAR AND A
HALF AGO, THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.
AND SO WE HAVE TO REVISIT THAT
THIS CONGRESS.
CHARLES: REPRESENTATIVE BIGGS,
PLEASE STAY WITH US.
THE CONGRESSMAN IS FROM THE
BORDER STATE OF ARIZONA, SO WE
WILL WANT TO GET HIS TAKE ON
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S IMMIGRATION
PLAN AND WHAT HIS
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CHARLES: EMIGRATION REFORM IS --
IMMIGRATION REFORM IS FRONT AND
CENTER IN OUR NATION'S CAPITAL,
BUT WHAT'S BEING DONE TO FIX
WHAT MANY CONSIDER TO BE A
BROKEN SYSTEM.
WE'RE BACK WITH REPUBLICAN
CONGRESSMAN ANDY BIGGS.
I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
YOU TALK ABOUT A LOT.
WHAT ARE THE LATEST
DEVELOPMENTS, WHAT'S GOING ON?
IT FEELS LIKE AS EVERYTHING
STALLS IN WASHINGTON, D.C., THIS
ISSUE IT FEELS LIKE IT'S
STALLING AS WELL.
>> YEAH.
NOT MUCH IS HAPPENING IN
CONGRESS TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE.
KNOW THAT THERE'S BORDER FENCING
GOING UP BECAUSE I'VE SEEN
PICTURES, I'VE -- WE'RE
REPLACING NORMANDY BARRIERS WITH
BALLER FENCING 30 FEET HIGH
WHICH MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT TO
GET IN, BUT, CHARLES, WE'RE
STILL CATCHING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN
4-5,000 PEOPLE CROSSING THE
BORDER EVERY DAY IN THIS
COUNTRY.
IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, WE'VE
LET WELL OVER 150,000 PEOPLE
JUST LOOSE INTO THE COUNTRY.
SO YOU APPREHEND OVER 300,000,
BUT YOU'RE LETTING HALF OF INTO
THE COUNTRY BECAUSE WE SIMILAR
MR. HAVE NO PLACE TO KEEP
THEM -- NO PLACE TO KEEP THEM.
SO THIS IS JUST BASICALLY A
MELTDOWN ON THE BORDER.
KIRSTEN NIELSEN, WHEN SHE WAS
SECRETARY, HAS SAID THAT.
IT IS JUST OVERWHELMING ON THE
ILLEGAL SIDE.
AND THE WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT --
YEAH.
SO THE NUMBERS ARE OUT OF SIGHT,
QUITE FRANKLY.
CHARLES: LET ME GO OVER SOME
NUMBERS WITH THE AUDIENCE.
MOST RECENTLY IN APRIL, UP OVER
100% YEAR ORE YEAR, MARCH WAS UP
OVER 100%.
AND FEBRUARY THE NUMBER WAS UP
120% YEAR-OVER-YEAR.
THESE ARE STAGGERING NUMBERS.
EVEN JEH JOHNSON, PRESIDENT
OBAMA'S -- WHO HANDLED THE
BORDER ISSUE FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA
AT DHS, ACKNOWLEDGES THIS IS A
CRISIS THAT HE HAS NEVER SEEN
BEFORE.
SO YOU HAVE TO WONDER, YOU KNOW,
IF EVERYONE'S ACKNOWLEDGING MORE
AND MORE THAT THIS IS A CRISIS,
WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?
YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS HERE SAYING,
WELL, THE WALL THAT YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU DESCRIBED
AS A MEDIEVAL THING AND SUGGESTS
ALL THEY HAVE TO DO, ILLEGAL
IMMIGRANTS, IS BRING A TALL
LADDER, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT
KIND OF RHETORIC?
>> WELL, IT'S -- THAT RHETORIC
IS, I JUST DISMISS IT, BECAUSE
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE
BECAUSE THE REALITIES, IF YOU'VE
EVER STOOD NEXT TO A 30-FOOT
BOLLARD FENCE, THAT IS WHERE
PEOPLE -- EVEN IN OUR MILITARY
WE TRAIN THAT WAY BECAUSE PEOPLE
SAY, HEY, THERE'S A REAL RISK
THERE.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO QUIT COMING
THERE.
BUT UNTIL WE REVISE OUR ASYLUM
LAWS, CHARLES, IF THEY GET ON
THAT WALL, OUR AGENTS ARE HAVING
TO TAKE THEM DOWN, BRING THEM
INTO THE COUNTRY BECAUSE THEY'RE
CLAIMING ASYLUM WHILE THEY'RE
HANGING ONTO OUR FENCE.
WE HAVE GOT TO MAKE SURE THE
WALL'S THERE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE
TO TAKE CARE OF THE ASYLUM LAWS.
AND THERE ARE WAYS THAT THE
EXECUTIVE CAN TAKE ACTION AND
CONGRESS CAN TAKE ACTION, BUT
I'M SO DISAPPOINTED THAT
CONGRESS IS NOT ACTING RIGHT
NOW.
CHARLES: LET'S TALK ABOUT
CONGRESS TAKING ACTION FOR A
MOMENT.
YOUR COLLEAGUE, CHIP ROY OF
TEXAS, WAS A LONE REPUBLICAN WHO
HELD BACK A $19 BILLION DISASTER
RELIEF BILL, SOMETHING THAT A
LOT OF POLITICIANS WOULD NEVER
DO NO MATTER WHAT.
HE SAID HE WAS STANDING ON
PRINCIPLE, THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH
FOR BORDER, AND IT WAS
OVERSPENDING IN MANY WAYS IN HIS
MIND.
BUT IT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE AS
MUCH AS WE HEAR BOTH SIDES TALK
ABOUT THE NEED TO DO THINGS, YOU
HAVE ONE PERSON WHO STOOD UP AND
SAYS, HEY, I DON'T WANT THIS
BILL TO GO THROUGH BECAUSE WE
HAVE ADDITIONAL CRISES IN THIS
COUNTRY.
WHY DOESN'T THE REST OF YOUR
PARTY STAND UP LIKE THAT?
WHY DON'T THEY SAY, HEY, WE'RE
NOT GOING TO VOTE ON ANYTHING
ELSE IN THIS COUNTRY UNTIL WE
CAN ADDRESS THIS PROPERLY?
>> WELL, TWO POINTS ON THAT.
I AGREE WITH CHIP ROY, I APPLAUD
WHAT HE DID.
DON'T FORGET, McCONNELL --
WHEN HE CAME OUT WITH THIS
BILL -- HE CALLED PELOSI AND
SAID KEEP YOUR PEOPLE IN, SO
THEY CAN VOTE ON THIS LATER IN
THE DAY, AND THEN PELOSI
SCHEDULED IT.
SO THERE WERE ONLY GOING TO BE
TWO PEOPLE ON THE FLOOR, TWO
DEMOCRATS TO SPEND $20 BILLION.
THAT'S RIDICULOUS, CHARLES, SO
GOOD FOR CHIP, BECAUSE IT HAD NO
MONEY FOR THE IMMIGRATION REFORM
THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD ASKED
FOR.
SO WHY DOES OUR PARTY DO IT?
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ENOUGH OF
OUR PARTY GETS HOW SERIOUS THIS
IS.
BUT WE HAVE GOT TO START
STANDING UP ON THAT PRINCIPLE
BECAUSE THIS IS, IN SOME WAYS,
THE CLOSEST TO AN EXISTENTIAL
CRISIS WE'VE SEEN IN A LONG TIME
BECAUSE THE SHEER NUMBERS OF
PEOPLE COMING IN, I MEAN,
CHARLES, THERE'S A MILLION
PEOPLE WITH ACTIVE REMOVAL
ORDERS IN THIS COUNTRY, ANOTHER
MILLION WAITING FOR COURT
HEARINGS THAT'S YEARS OFF, AND
THEN WE'RE GOING TO CATCH OVER A
MILLION PEOPLE COMING IN THIS
YEAR, AND THEN THERE'LL BE
ANOTHER MILLION THAT WE DON'T
CATCH.
THESE NUMBERS ARE STAGGERING.
I MEAN, JUST THINK OF IT THIS
WAY, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY FIVE OR
SIX CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS
WORTH OF PEOPLE HERE ILLEGALLY
IN THIS COUNTRY THAT WE'RE DOING
NOTHING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
CHARLES: WHAT'S THE CHANCES OF
ANY SORT OF LEGITIMATE REFORM
WITHIN THE SYSTEM WITH RESPECT
TO -- OUR SYSTEM IS GAMED, AND
EVERYONE KNOWS HOW TO GAME THE
SYSTEM.
>> YEAH.
CHARLES: HOW DO YOU INDUCE
SOMEONE TO MAKE A TREK FROM EL
SALVADOR TO THIS COUNTRY, A
WOMAN AND TWO OR THREE THREE
CHILDREN, A VERY DANGEROUS TREK?
IT'S GOT TO BE BECAUSE ONCE THEY
GET HERE, THEY KNOW THEY HAVE A
VERY GOOD SHOT ONCE THEY TOUCH
AMERICAN SOIL OF STAYING HERE.
WE'RE BLESSED TO HAVE THE
GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD,
AND I UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYBODY
WOULD WANT TO LIVE HERE, MARLEY
POOR PEOPLE IN DANGEROUS --
PARTICULARLY POOR PEOPLE IN
DANGEROUS SITUATIONS.
HOW CAN WE FIX THE SYSTEM IS SO
A PERSON CAN GET INTO THIS
COUNTRY LEGALLY WITHOUT HAVING
TO MAKE THIS TREK, WITHOUT
HAVING TO PAY COYOTES, WITHOUT
HAVING TO ENDURE THE PERSONAL
AND PHYSICAL HARM THAT THEY'RE
ENDURING RIGHT NOW?
>> THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT YOU
HAVE TO DO.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE TO
ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT WE HAVE ON
THE BOOKS, AND YOU HAVE TO GIVE
AUTHORITY FOR IMMEDIATE REMOVAL
SO THAT PEOPLE WILL QUIT COMING
HERE ILLEGALLY.
IT'S A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS, AS
YOU DESCRIBE, PEOPLE COMING
OVER, VERY DANGEROUS.
WE'RE COMING UP TO HOT
TEMPERATURES, VERY DANGEROUS.
IS SO YOU HAVE TO DISSUADE
PEOPLE FROM COMING HERE.
INSTEAD OF HAVING THE PERVERSE
INCENTIVE OF COMING HERE
ILLEGALLY IS AND STAYING, YOU
HAVE TO HAVE INCENTIVES TO COME
HERE LEGALLY.
AND THOSE INCENTIVES INCLUDE
THINGS LIKE MERIT-BASED WHERE
PEOPLE KNOW THAT IF YOU CAN
PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, VALUE TO THIS
COUNTRY, YOU'RE GOING TO --
THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO BE IN
THIS COUNTRY, CONTRIBUTE IN THIS
COUNTRY.
THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS YOU DO
IT.
BUT UNTIL WE START ENFORCING OUR
BORDER LAWS, IT'S SIMPLY NOT
GOING TO MAKE ANY SENSE, AND OUR
REFORMS ON THE INTERIOR AND ON
THE IMMIGRATION ON THE LEGAL
SIDE ARE GOING TO HAVE VERY
LITTLE VALUE BECAUSE WE'VE
CREATED THESE PERVERSE
INCENTIVES TO COME HERE.
SO PEOPLE WILL RISK THEIR LIVES
TO GET IN THIS COUNTRY.
CHARLES: LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT
THE IDEA OF HAVING LEGAL
IMMIGRANTS WHO.
>> THIS COUNTRY AND -- WHO ENTER
THIS COUNTRY AND GO ON THE
WELFARE SYSTEM.
SOME ARE FLOATING THE IDEA AT
THAT SOME POINT ONCE THEY GET ON
THEIR FEET, THEY SHOULD
REIMBURSE THE WELFARE SYSTEM.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT?
>> WELL, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING
WE SHOULD EXPLORE CAREFULLY
BECAUSE THE REALITY IS WHEN YOU
COME IN TODAY HEALEY, YOU
HAVE -- LEGALLY, YOU HAVE TO
MAKE SURE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE
MAKE SURE OF IS THAT YOU'RE NOT
GOING TO BE A PUBLIC CHARGE.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU 23409 GOING
TO -- YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO ON
THE SOCIAL WELFARE SYSTEM.
BUT STUDIES HAVE INDICATED
THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT PROPORTION
OF SOME GROUPS WHO BECOME
CHARGES ON THE PUBLIC STATE.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A $22
TRILLION NATIONAL DEBT, AND WE
RUN A TRILLION DOLLAR STRUCTURAL
DEFICIT ANNUALLY.
AND A LARGE PORTION OF THAT IS
SOCIAL WELFARE SPENDING.
SO I THINK IT CERTAINLY HAS
MERIT.
WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT
VERY SERIOUSLY, AND THAT'S ONE
OF THE REFORMS THAT WE REALLY,
FRANKLY, HAVE TO CONSIDER.