I WILL BE BACK HERE AT 2:00 EASTERN TIME.
EASTERN TIME. RIGHT NOW IT IS TIME FOR A.M.
JOY WITH MY FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE
JOY REED.
JOY REED. >>> I HAVE FANTASTIC PEOPLE.
PAUL MANAFORT JUST CAME ON.
HE’S GREAT.
HE’S GREAT. >> PAUL MANAFORT HAS DONE AN
AMAZING JOB.
AMAZING JOB. >> PAUL MANAFORT WAS REPLACED
LONG BEFORE THE ELECTION TOOK
PLACE.
PLACE. >> YOU KNOW, HE WORKED FOR ME
FOR A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
LITERALLY FOR LIKE, WHAT, A
COUPLE OF MONTHS.
LITTLE PERIOD OF TIME.
>> MANAFORT HAS NOTHING TO DO
WITH OUR CAMPAIGN.
>> GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO
A.M. JOY.
A.M. JOY. FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS WE HAVE
BEEN TALKING WITH YOU ABOUT
RUSSIA-GATE AND THE TIES TRUMP’S
FORMER ASSOCIATED HAD TO THE
KREMLIN DURING HIS 2016
ELECTION.
ELECTION. OVER TIME WE HAVE SEEN MORE AND
MORE PEOPLE IN TRUMP’S CAMP
FALL.
FALL. THERE IS MICHAEL FLYNN WHO
PLEADED GUILTY TO LYING TO THE
FBI.
FBI. RICK GATES PLEADED GUILTY TO
CONSPIRACY.
CONSPIRACY. GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS.
GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS. ALL MEN WHO ARE NOW COOPERATING
WITH ROBERT MUELLER.
THIS WEEK MUELLER MAY HAVE
NABBED HIS BIGGEST FISH YET WHEN
HE GOT THE COOPERATION OF FORMER
TRUMP CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN PAUL
MANAFORT.
MANAFORT. TRUMP’S LONG-TIME ATTORNEY AND
FIXER IS ALSO TALKING TO
MUELLER.
MUELLER. ALL MEN ARE COMMITTED TO
COOPERATING WITH FEDERAL
PROSECUTORS.
PROSECUTORS. AND NOW AS TRUMP’S CIRCLE OF
TRUST CONTINUES TO SHRINK, IT
SEEMS LIKE ALL THAT’S LEFT IS
FAMILY.
FAMILY. JOINING ME NOW IS THE FOUND OF
D.
D. DCREPORT.ORG, STAFF WRITER AT
THE ATLANTIC.
THE ATLANTIC. ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. LET’S TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE
THERE HAS BEEN PROBABLY NO ONE
MORE DEFENSE IIVE OF DONALD TRUM
THAN ALAN WHO IS SAYING, NO, NO,
NO.
NO. HE’S FINE LEGALLY.
HERE HE IS ON "MEET THE PRESS"
EARLIER TODAY TALKING ABOUT THE
MANAFORT DEAL.
MANAFORT DEAL. >> THIS WAS A VERY BAD DAY FOR
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
IT’S BAD BECAUSE HE DOESN’T KNOW
WHAT MANAFORT IS SAYING, AND HE
CAN’T COUNT ON MANAFORT SAYING
ONLY THINGS THAT THE SPECIAL
COUNSEL ALREADY KNOWS.
WHEN YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT A
COOPERATOR IS SAYING, THEN IT IS
A BAD DAY FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU
ARE VULNERABLE AND EXPOSED.
>> IT IS INTERESTING TO SEE HIM
MAKE THE PIVOT.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. YEAH.
YEAH. HE’S MAYBE OFF THE LEGAL TEAM,
RIGHT?
RIGHT? HE’S RIGHT.
HE’S RIGHT. IT’S TERRIBLE FOR TRUMP.
IF THIS STUFF HAPPENED, MANAFORT
WAS THE POINT PERSON.
WHAT I HAVE NOTICED, AND THIS
GOES TO HOW SCARED TRUMP IS.
WHAT I HAVE NOTICED IS THAT
TRUMP REALLY HASN’T COME DOWN
THE MOUNTAIN ON TWITTER ABOUT
THIS, RIGHT?
THIS, RIGHT? >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> NUMBER ONE, THERE ARE A
COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE HE COULD JUST NOT KNOW.
I MEAN, WHO WANTS TO GO TELL
THAT THE EASTERN FRONT HAS
FALLEN.
FALLEN. TWO, HE COULD BE IN PUERTO RICO
LOOKING FOR THE REAL KILLER.
THAT’S A POSSIBILITY.
BUT THREE IS THAT HE’S ACTIVITY
SCARED OF WHAT MANAFORT KNOWS,
WHAT MANAFORT WILL SAY AND
MANAFORT MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE ANY
INCENTIVE ANYMORE TO TELL THE
TRUTH.
TRUTH. LIKE HE MIGHT SAY EVERYTHING
THAT HE DID WAS ORDERED BY
TRUMP.
TRUMP. THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE.
TRUMP HAS EVER REASON TO BE
FLIGHT
FLIGHT FRIGHTENED AT THIS POINT.
AND BY HIS TWITTER ACCOUNT, I
THINK HE IS.
>> THERE IS A COUPLE OF
DIFFERENT WAYS THAT MANAFORT
COULD BE DANGEROUS TO TRUMP.
KEY QUESTIONS: DID THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN HAVE A HEAD’S UP ABOUT
THE ALLEGED HACKING OF
DEMOCRATS.
DEMOCRATS. DID DONALD TRUMP KNOW ABOUT THAT
MEETING WITH THE RUSSIAN LAWYER
INSIDE TRUMP TOWER?
AND WHAT DO MANAFORT’S OTHER
BUSINESS TIES TO RUSSIA MEAN?
IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF HE COULD
ANSWER QUESTIONS NOT JUST ABOUT
TRUMP AND TEAM TRUMP, BUT IT
COULD BE BAD NEWS FOR A NUMBER
OF OTHER WASHINGTON OPERATIVES.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. AS WE SAW FROM THE CRIMINAL
INFORMATION FILED AGAINST
MANAFORT ON FRIDAY, THERE IS A
LOT IN THERE ABOUT PEOPLE HE
WORKED WITH WHO ALSO DID NOT
REGISTER AS FOREIGN AGENTS AND
COULD BE IN TROUBLE WITH THE
LAW.
LAW. I THINK HE IS EXTREMELY
DANGEROUS TO THE PRESIDENT AT
THIS POINT.
THIS POINT. HE ENTERED THE CAMPAIGN AT
PIVOTAL MOMENT WHEN IT WAS THE
BEGINNING OF THE SIGNIFICANT
RUSSIA RELATED EPISODES.
I DON’T THINK THAT WAS A
COINCIDENCE.
COINCIDENCE. I THINK PAUL MANAFORT WAS THE
PERSON ON THE CAMPAIGN WITH THE
MOST HIGH LEVEL DEEP CONNECTIONS
TO RUSSIANS AND RUSSIAN
OLIGARCHS AT THAT POINT.
AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS A
REASON WHY HE ACTUALLY CAME ON
THE CAMPAIGN IS GOING TO BE
ANOTHER BIG QUESTION.
WHETHER IT WAS JUST A
COINCIDENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, AT
THE SAME TIME THAT HE ENTERED
THE CAMPAIGN, A MONTH LATER
GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS WAS MEETING
WITH A MAN WHO KNEW ABOUT
HILLARY CLINTON’S E-MAILS.
THEN THERE WAS THE DNC HACK.
THEN THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, THE
PLATFORM CHANGE AT THE RNC.
ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO
BE WHAT MUELLER IS REALLY
INTERESTED IN.
INTERESTED IN. I THINK IT’S REALLY FUNNY THAT
GIULIANI AND SARA SANDERS HAVE
COME OUT AND SAID, OH, WELL,
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE
CAMPAIGN.
CAMPAIGN. HE’S NOT GOING TO TELL MUELLER
ABOUT ANYTHING RELATED TO THE
CAMPAIGN.
CAMPAIGN. THAT’S NOT WHAT THE PLEA
AGREEMENT SAYS.
AGREEMENT SAYS. IT SAYS THE COOPERATION
AGREEMENT SAYS IT IS ANYTHING
AND EVERYTHING THAT MUELLER
FINDS RELEVANT.
FINDS RELEVANT. THAT’S NOT ONLY AS IT RELATES TO
THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, BUT ALSO
LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITIES
OUTSIDE OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL.
>> AS LONG AS THE SPECIAL
COUNSEL WANTS HIM TO TALK.
HE HAS TO KEEP ON TALKING.
BY THE WAY, BUSINESS INSIDER
SAYING IT IS NOT A CLOSE CALL.
EXPERTS SAY IT’S BOGUS.
RUDY GIULIANI TOLD BUSINESS
INSIDER THAT PAUL MANAFORT’S
COOPERATION DOES NOT INCLUDE AN
AGREEMENT TO SHARE INFORMATION
ABOUT TRUMP.
ABOUT TRUMP. YOU ARE A LAWYER, RIGHT?
>> I AM A LAWYER.
>> SORRY TO ALL THOSE
DISAPPOINTED.
DISAPPOINTED. BUT HE IS A MEMBER OF THE
PROFESSION.
PROFESSION. WE LOVE LAWYERS.
JUST KIDDING.
JUST KIDDING. IS DONALD TRUMP MAYBE FINALLY
LISTENING TO HIS LAWYERS?
BECAUSE HE ISN’T TWEETING ABOUT
MANAFORT?
MANAFORT? >> I WILL BE HONEST.
USUALLY WHEN THINGS ARE THIS BAD
FOR TRUMP, HE’S FILING FOR
BANKRUPTCY.
BANKRUPTCY. IF TRUMP ANNOUNCED THERE IS A
SUMMIT OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
I DON’T WANT TO OVERSELL WHAT
MANAFORT MIGHT KNOW.
THE JUNE 30th E-MAILS SAID THIS
IS PART OF RUSSIA AND ITS
GOVERNMENT’S HELP FOR YOUR
FATHER AND IF DONALD TRUMP, AND
DONALD TRUMP HAS SAID I DIDN’T
KNOW ABOUT THOSE E-MAILS UNTIL
LAST YEAR.
LAST YEAR. I DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT THAT MEETING
UNTIL LAST YEAR.
IF PAUL MANAFORT SAID I SAT WITH
DONALD TRUMP JR. AND DONALD
TRUMP BEFORE THE MEETING AND
DONALD TRUMP SAID, HEY, GO TO
THAT MEETING RIGHT THERE AND
FIND OUT WHAT THEY HAVE, THEN
YOU HAVE AT LEAST ON ITS FACE
COCONSPIRACY TO VIOLATE FEDERAL
ELECTION COMMISSION LAWS.
AND THEN IN JULY WHEN DONALD
TRUMP RUSSIA, ARE YOU LISTENING,
AND WE KNOW HE KNEW THAT RUSSIA
WAS TRYING TO HELP HIM, THEN
WE’VE GOT MORE ELEMENTS OF
COCONSPIRACY TO THE 49 STATES OF
AMERICA, WHICH IS WHAT THE
RUSSIA MILITARY OPERATIVES WERE
CHARGED WITH AND ON THE DAY
DONALD TRUMP SAID THAT, RUSSIAN
OPERATIVES WENT AFTER HILLARY’S
E-MAIL.
E-MAIL. THIS ONE PIECE OF INFORMATION
WHEN YOU ARE BUILDING THESE
CASES, THIS COULD BE KEY.
>> NOT ONLY THAT, IN ORDER FOR
PAUL MANAFORT TO MAKE THOSE
DISCLOSURES TO DONALD TRUMP, HE
WOULD ONLY HAVE TO GO UPSTAIRS.
THIS MEETING TOOK PLACE IN TRUMP
TOWER.
TOWER. THE PRESIDENT WAS HOME.
>> WELL, REMEMBER, THERE WERE
TWO BLOCKED PHONE CALLS THAT
WERE MADE THAT THE REPUBLICANS
IN THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE
COMMITTEE WERE UNWILLING TO FIND
OUT WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.
THIS ISN’T JUST DONALD TRUMP WHO
IS WORRIED HERE.
BOTH JARED KUSHNER AND DON JR.
WHO ARE LIKELY INDICTMENT
TARGETS DOWN THE ROAD MUST BE
VERY WORRIED ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY
WENT ON IN THAT MEETING.
REMEMBER, THEY TOLD SEVEN
DIFFERENT STORIES NOW.
EACH ONE UNDOING THE PREVIOUS
STORY.
STORY. WHEN YOU LIE THAT MUCH YOU KNOW
WHAT REALLY WENT ON IS MUCH MORE
SERIOUS.
SERIOUS. >> LET’S LISTEN TO DON JR.
I THINK YOU ALSO SAID YET WHEN
WE DID THE ROUND TABLE OF WHO
WAS IN THE MOST JEOPARDY, YOU
SAID DON JR.
LET’S LISTEN.
LET’S LISTEN. >> YOUR FATHER HAS DENIED
REPORTS THAT HE’S WORRIED THAT
YOU MIGHT BE IN LEGAL JEOPARDY
BECAUSE OF THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. BUT ARE YOU SCARED YOU COULD GO
TO JAIL.
TO JAIL. >> I’M NOT BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT I
DID AND I’M NOT WORRIED ABOUT
ANY OF THAT.
THAT DOESN’T MEAN THEY WILL TRY
TO CREATE THAT.
BUT, AGAIN, I’M NOT.
>> YOUR THOUGHTS?
YOUR WITNESS.
YOUR WITNESS. >> WHAT DO YOU WANT HIM TO SAY?
RIGHT?
RIGHT? I’M TERRIFIED.
I’M TERRIFIED. MY PANTS ARE WET.
RIGHT?
RIGHT? YOU’RE NOT GOING TO SAY THAT.
LOOK, I WOULD -- MY MOTHER WOULD
NOT PUT ME IN THIS KIND OF
JEOPARDY, RIGHT?
JEOPARDY, RIGHT? >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. BUT HIS FATHER WOULD.
>> THAT’S THE PROBLEM.
>> HIS FATHER WOULD.
THAT’S A HUGE PROBLEM FOR DON
JR.
JR. OBVIOUSLY MANAFORT’S NEXT -- I
THINK MUELLER’S NEXT TARGETS ARE
GOING TO BE DON JR. AND JARED
KUSHNER.
KUSHNER. THERE IS A REASON THOSE GUYS
HAVEN’T BEEN INTERVIEWED.
THERE IS A REASON THEY HAVEN’T
BEEN BROUGHT IN.
EVERYBODY THAT MUELLER WANTS TO
NOT CHARGE HAS TALKED TO
MUELLER.
MUELLER. EVERYBODY THAT MUELLER IS STILL
THINKING ABOUT CHARGING HASN’T
TALKED TO MUELLER.
THAT’S THE KEY.
THAT’S AN ACTUAL PIECE OF
EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS US WHERE
MUELLER IS POINTING.
>> IS THE WAY THIS WORKS FROM A
LEGAL STANDPOINT THAT THEY TALK
TO EVERYONE AND BY THE TIME THEY
INTERVIEW THE REAL TARGETS THEY
ALREADY KNOW THE STORY AND THEN
THEY TEST WHAT YOU SAY AGAINST
WHAT THEY SAY.
>> I HATE THIS PARTICULAR
ANALOGY BECAUSE I ABHOR
VIOLENCE, BUT IT IS TIGHTENING
THE NOOSE, RIGHT?
YOU START OFF REALLY WIDE AND
GET SMALLER AND SMALLER AND
SMALLER.
SMALLER. >> IF YOU ARE IN THE END GAME,
YOU ARE THE TARGET.
>> IF YOU HAVE HAD TRUMP IN YOUR
LAST NAME, YOU HAVEN’T BEEN
INTERVIEWED YET, THAT WOULD
SCARE THE PEOPLE WITH TRUMP IN
THEIR LAST NAME.
>> AS A PROSECUTOR, YOU DON’T
WANT TO INTERVIEW SOMEONE UNTIL
YOU KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THE
QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOU CAN GET
THEM WITH LYING AND PERJURY.
>> AND ONE OF KEN STAR’S LAST
INTERVIEWS WAS BILL CLINTON.
SO YOU WAIT UNTIL THE END.
>> THAT REMINDS ME ACTUALLY OF
ROGER STONE.
ROGER STONE. >> HE’S ALSO NOT BEEN, YEAH.
>> CLOSE CONFIDANT OF PAUL
MANAFORT SINCE THE 1970s.
IF THERE WAS A CHANNEL THAT
STONE WAS COMMUNICATING WITH THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN, IT WAS LIKELY
THROUGH PAUL MANAFORT.
>> ONE OF THE FIRST CLIENTS OF
THE FIRM WAS DONALD TRUMP.
I LOVE THAT DONALD TRUMP BOUGHT
IN CASH -- MANAFORT BOUGHT IN
CASH A CONDO FROM PAUL MANAFORT
FOR OVER $3 MILLION.
IT IS ONE OF THE ASSETS THAT NOW
MUELLER HAS IS MANAFORT’S CONDO
IN TRUMP TOWER.
SO MUELLER NOW OWNS A CONDO IN
TRUMP TOWER.
TRUMP TOWER. >> THEY SHOULD RUN IT FROM
THERE.
THERE. I HAVE TO BRING THAT BACK
BECAUSE YOU HAVE DONE A LOT OF
BACKGROUND ON THE FAMILY BECAUSE
PART OF WHAT LOOKS LIKE IT
HAPPENED, YOUR BOOK, THAT DONALD
TRUMP WAS USING THOSE CONDOS AS
A WAY FOR RUSSIANS TO INVEST,
GET THEIR MONEY OUT OF RUSSIA
AND INTO THE UNITED STATES.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THERE ARE BUILDINGS IN FLORIDA
THAT TRUMP HAS AND ELSEWHERE.
DONALD HAS DONE THIS ALL
THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER.
WHEN THE LATE GREAT WAYNE
BARRETT WAS THE FIRST REPORTER
TO GET ON HIM IN THE ’70s,
DONALD TRIED TO BRIBE HIM WITH
AN APARTMENT IN TRUMP TOWER.
>> I HAVE TO PLAY THIS NOW.
THIS IS DONALD TRUMP JR.’S GMA
INTERVIEW.
INTERVIEW. HE’S TALKING ABOUT -- IT ALMOST
SOUNDS LIKE AN EPISODE OF THE
"SOPRANOS."
"SOPRANOS." HERE’S DON JR.
>> I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE IN
THERE THAT HE CAN JUST.
IT IS A MUCH SMALLER GROUP THAN
I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE.
>> WHO DO YOU TRUST?
>> I’LL KEEP THAT TO MYSELF.
>> AND THEY’RE NOT FAMILY?
>> I’M TALKING OUTSIDE OF
FAMILY.
FAMILY. I THINK THAT ONE GOES WITHOUT
SAYING.
SAYING. >> IS IT DOWN TO THE -- IN THE
WHITE HOUSE THERE IS JUST FAMILY
AND THEN THERE’S WHO?
AND STEVEN MILLER.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY.
THERE’S FAMILY AND THERE’S MITCH
McCONNELL.
McCONNELL. I FEEL LIKE THEY’RE BUDS.
AT SOME POINT I THINK JARED’S
POSITION BECOMES INTERESTING,
RIGHT?
RIGHT? JARED HAS A LOT OF EXPOSURE IN
TERMS OF LYING ON VARIOUS FORMS,
NOT BEING ENTIRELY TRUTHFUL.
HE’S SIMILARLY SITUATED TO JEFF
SESSIONS AND WHY JEFF SESSIONS
HAS TO RECUSE AND HE’S AN INLAW.
THERE IS A CLIP SOMEWHERE ABOUT
GIULIANI TALKING ABOUT, OH, IF
YOU GO AFTER JARED, THAT’S ONE
THING, BUT YOU DON’T GO AFTER
IVANKA.
IVANKA. GIULIANI HAS SUGGESTED THAT
MAYBE JARED COULD BE THROWN
OVER.
OVER. I THINK TRUMP JR. IS IN THE MOST
DANGER, BUT IF YOU WANT ANOTHER
PERSON WHO MIGHT BE -- WHO MIGHT
NOT BE IN THAT CIRCLE OF TRUST,
I WOULD START LOOKING AT JARED.
>> ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WILL
COME UP IS, REMEMBER, HIS EFFORT
TO USE THE RUSSIANS DIPLOMATIC
COMMUNICATIONS TO SECRETLY
CONTACT THE KREMLIN.
COULD YOU IMAGINE WHAT WOULD
HAPPEN IF SOMEONE IN OBAMA OR
GEORGE W. BUSH OR CLINTON
PROPOSED THAT?
PROPOSED THAT? >> LET’S NOT FORGET WHAT WAS IN
CHARGE OF THE WHOLE SOCIAL MEDIA
OPERATION?
OPERATION? >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. THAT IS ANOTHER AREA WHERE JARED
IS VULNERABLE.
IS VULNERABLE. HE KNOWS A LOT ABOUT WHETHER OR
NOT THERE WAS SOME COORDINATION
BETWEEN THE DATA OPERATION AND
THE RUSSIANS.
THE RUSSIANS. >> OR MAYBE THE RUSSIANS JUST
KNOW THAT MICHIGAN IS A KEY
STATE AND PENNSYLVANIA, WHICH
DISTRICTS TO GO AFTER.
MAYBE THEY JUST KNOW A LOT ABOUT
AMERICAN POLITICAL GEOGRAPHY.
YOU NEVER KNOW.
YOU’RE NOW FREE.
FREE TO GO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DEAN, YOUR WEEKEND IS STILL
RUINED.
RUINED. YOU CAN’T LEAVE.
WE WILL TALK WITH YOU GUYS MORE
IN THE SHOW.
AND SHE’S A HERO OF THE
RESISTANCE, A LIGHTENING ROD FOR
THE RIGHT AND A FREQUENT TARGET
OF DONALD TRUMP’S ATTACKS.
AFTER THE BREAK, SHE JOINS ME
LIVE.
LIVE. YOUR MOMENT OF MAXINE, YES, IS
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