OF CONTROL SPENDING IS
REMARKABLE.
SEAN: JOINING US NOW IS FORBES
MEDIA CHAIRMAN, THE GREAT, THE
WONDERFUL, STEVE FORBES.
STEVE, GOOD TO SEE YOU.
>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.
SEAN: I WAS, I WAS --
>> USE THOSE KIND OF ADJECTIVES
SOMETHING IS COMING.
SEAN: SOMETHING IS COMING.
ALL OF THEM ARE TRUE.
I WAS IN CONGRESS OFTEN TIMES
YOU WOULD USE THE FED CHAIR AS A
BACKDROP FOR A POLITICAL
ARGUMENT WHICH YOU SAW RIGHT
THERE BUT THE DEBT CEILING IS AT
THE CENTER, SPENDING IS AT THE
CENTER OF THIS CONVERSATION.
ARE THE REPUBLICANS RIGHT TO
PUSH THIS DEBT CEILING TO YOU
KNOW, ALMOST A BREAKING POINT TO
MAKE SURE THEY GET SPENDING
REFORMS?
>> WELL THEY, WHAT THEY SHOULD
DO ON THE DEBT CEILING INSTEAD
OF CUTTING A DEAL SAY FOR TWO
YEARS AS THEY NORMALLY DO AFTER
ONE OF THESE CRISES, DO IT EVERY
SIX MONTHS.
YOU TAKE A LITTLE BIT NOW.
SIX MONTHS LATER SEE HOW MUCH
PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE, DO IT
AGAIN.
AND SO HOW ABOUT THOSE UNSPENT
FUNDS?
DON’T SPEND THEM.
HOW ABOUT THE OPENING UP LEASES
ON THE FEDERAL LANDS?
NOT JUST A PROMISE BUT MONTHLY
REPORTS.
BECAUSE IN SIX MONTHS WE’LL BE
BACK TO SEE WHAT YOU’RE DOING.
DO IT AS INCREMENTAL APPROACH
AND CHIP AWAY, SET THE STAGE FOR
A GOOD 2024.
IN THE MEANTIME MAKE A BAD
SITUATION A LITTLE LESS BAD.
SEAN: YEAH.
DAGEN: IN TERMS OF THAT, IN
TERMS OF THE RUNAWAY SPENDING,
WE’VE, WE CAN ALWAYS FIND JOHN
KERRY, HE COULD FIND A
MICROPHONE IN A BOG BUT THERE IS
ABOUT $400 BILLION THAT WAS IN
THAT SO-CALLED INFLATION
REDUCTION ACT THAT IS A SLUSH
FUND THAT JOHN PODESTA IS
RUNNING FOR GREEN ENERGY.
SO THEY GOT $400 BILLION TO
THROW AROUND TO THEIR CRONIES
THAT, WILL BE SET FIRE BY THE
LIKES OF SOLYNDRA WHICH SEAN
WILL SAY.
BUT HERE IS JOHN KERRY WHO WANTS
TO THROW YOUR MONEY AT HIS GREEN
AGENDA.
>> AND I SAID, MONEY, MONEY,
MONEY, MONEY, MONEY.
I SWEAR TO GOD, IF YOU PUT MONEY
ON THE TABLE, THIS IS DOABLE,
THIS REALLY COULD BE DONE AND
THE FINANCE REPORTS SAY WE NEED
ABOUT ANYWHERE 2 1/2 TO 4 1/2
TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR FOR NEXT
30 YEARS TO AFFECT THE TREND.
DAGEN: STEVE, WHEN HE HEARD
THAT, JUST MADE AN AUDIBLE GASP.
>> WELL, IN PREVIOUS TIMES HE
WOULD BE SENT FOR OBSERVATION,
NOT 2 1/2 TRILLION DOLLARS OVER
30 YEARS OR 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS.
THAT IS BY YEAR.
YOU DESTROY THE EARTH.
YOU SAID ABOUT THE FOG EARLIER I
THOUGHT YOU WOULD SAY IN A BAR,
A GUY YOU WOULD EXPECT THEM TO
SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN A BAR
AFTER A FEW POPS.
FOR A GUY TO SAY THAT SERIOUSLY,
YOU HAVE TO WONDER WHAT HAPPENED
TO HIM.
WHAT IS DRINKING?
WHERE IS THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS
WHEN YOU NEED THEM?
WHERE HE IS IMBIBING?
WHERE IS THE FDA?
>>
DAGEN: THAT IS REAL STUFF --
>> THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS
REPUBLICANS SHOULD FOCUS ON,
SPELL OUT WHERE THIS GREEN MONEY
GOING.
SPELL OUT WHAT POLITICAL
CONTRIBUTIONS DID THESE PEOPLE
GET.
SPELL OUT WHERE THE MINERALS
WILL COME FROM.
SPELL OUT HOW MUCH CHILD LABOR
IN SO-CALLED DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC
OF CONGO?
WHEN ANY COUNTRY CALLS ITSELF
DEMOCRATIC IT IS OPPOSITE, A
DICTATORSHIP.
IT DON’T HOLD UP TO SCRUTINY.
KEEP HITTING THEM ON DETAILS,
HOW DO YOU MAKE THIS HAPPEN A
TYPICAL, COUPLE WIND FARMS HAS
MORE UNRECYCLABLE PLASTICS THAN
ALL THE PLASTIC STRAWS AND CUPS
IN THE WORLD A LITTLE FACTOID.
HAMMER THAT STUFF HOME.
YOU CAN HAVE FUN WITH IT.
REPUBLICANS COULD PORTRAY
THEMSELVES AS
REENVIRONMENTALLISTS.
900 TONS OF UNRECYCLABLE
PLASTICS IN A WIND FARM, WHAT DO
YOU PROPOSE TO DO ABOUT THAT,
JOHN KERRY?
SEAN: THIS IS GLOBAL WARMING
CLIMATE ACTIVITIES, THIS IS
RELIGION FOR THEM.
>> DON’T CALL IT A RELIGION.
A CULT.
SEAN: A CULT, IDEOLOGY,
RELIGION, THREE DIFFERENT TERMS
FOR THE SAME THING.
>> SAME MADNESS, HERE IS THE
DEAL, THEY WILL NOT GIVE IT UP.
THEY WILL NOT GIVE UP THE EVEN
THE UNSPENT MONEY.
THEY WILL FIGHT US TO THE DEATH.
THEY WILL SEE US DEFAULT ON THE
DEBT.
>> FIRST OF ALL THEY DON’T HAVE
TO DEFAULT ON THE DEBT.
THERE IS PLENTY OF MONEY THERE.
CALL THEM OUT ON THAT.
IN TERMS OF THINGS LIKE THE
UNSPENT MONEY THAT IS WHERE YOU
HAMMER HOME WITH THE PUBLIC.
THE PUBLIC, THAT IS WHAT THE
WHOLE PURPOSE OF THESE HEARINGS
ARE TO INFLUENCE ULTIMATELY
PUBLIC OPINION AND GET THROUGH
THE GUARDIANS WHO TRY TO BLOCK
IT.
SEAN: STEVE, THE MEDIA WILL NOT
TELL THAT STORY.
>> THE MEDIA DOESN’T HAVE TO
TELL IT.
YOU HAVE GOT THE WHOLE INTERNET
OUT THERE.
YOU HAVE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE
STARTING TO USE IT.
EVEN IN COLLEGE, THERE WAS A
PIECE IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES"
FROM A PRINCETON GUY SAYING THE
WHOLE WOKENESS IS STARTING TO
TURN STUDENTS CONSERVATIVE.
MY GOODNESS.
THERE IS HOPE.
SEAN: YOU ARE A SUNNY DAY, STEVE
FORBES.
MY GOODNESS.
BRINGING HOPE TO AMERICA.
I LOVE IT.
STEVE FORBES, THANK YOU FOR