>>> STILL WITH ME, GOVERNOR CHRIS CHRISTIE.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT FRIDAY NIGHT AS THE STORM WAS BEARING
DOWN. THE PRESIDENT HE PARDONED
SHERIFF JOE ARPAIO. A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE VERY
CRITICAL OF THAT. PARTICULARLY THOSE WHO WORKED IN
THE RULE OF LAW WHO KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO GET A CRIMINAL
CONVICTION OF CONTEMPT. DID THE PRESIDENT MAKE THE RIGHT
CALL? >> I TALKED TO THE PRESIDENT
ABOUT THIS. I SAID IF YOU FEEL REALLY
STRONGLY ABOUT IT PERSONALLY, IT IS YOUR CALL.
>> IN THE END, LISTEN. I THINK THAT THE PARDON POWER
SHOULD BE USED VERY, VERY SPARINGLY.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE CHANGED THEIR LIVES.
I THINK A KEY PART IS, HAS THE PERSON CHANGED THEIR LIFE AND
HAVE THEY CHANGED WHAT CAUSED THEM TO DO IT?
HE HAS TO MAKE THOSE CALLS. HE HAS TO BE THE EXECUTIVE.
HE GOT VOTED OUT BY 13 POINTS. THE LATINO THAT'S LIVE THERE.
SHERIFF JOE WAS DEMANDING PAPERS OF PEOPLE WHICH WAS
UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACCORDING THE TWO JUDGES.
FOR THE PRESIDENT TO PARDON HIM. WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?
>> IT'S A MESSAGE THE PRESIDENT HAS SENT THROUGH HIS WHOLE
CAMPAIGN. YOU KNOW I DISAGREED THE
BUILDING OF THE WALL, WITH THE MUSLIM BAN.
I THINK TOWS THINGS ARE VERY, VERY HARMFUL TO THE SPIRIT OF
COUNTRY. THAT'S ONE REASON I RAN AGAINST
HIM. >> BUT THEN WHAT'S ON THE OTHER
SIDE OF THE LEDGER? >> WHAT'S THE QUESTION?
THESE THINGS ARE HARMFUL TO THE SPIRIT OF AMERICA.
HE BELIEVES IT IS EFFECTIVE. I'VE SAID YOU CAN BE AN
EFFECTIVE ENFORCER OF IMMIGRATION LAWS ACTING WITHIN
THE CONSTITUTION. THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING.
BUILDING THE WALL, MEXANS ARE RAPISTS.
YOU HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT CHARLOTTESVILLE.
AT A CERTAIN POINT, IT ADDS UP TO SOMEONE WHOSE WORLD VIEW
REALLY DOES SEEM TO BE SHOT THROUGH WITH BIGOTRY.
>> I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR 15 YEARS.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THAT TESTIMONY DOESN'T STAND?
WELL, I'M A U.S. CITIZEN. I SEE WHAT HE SAYS.
AND HE SAYS AFTER NEO-NAZISES CHANTED BLOOD AND SOIL, THERE
ARE DECENT PEOPLE THERE. THE CHARGE OF BIGOTRY IS ONE OF
THE MOST BASE CHARGES YOU CAN MAKE.
AND I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE NEARLY ENOUGH INFORMATION TO
MAKE CHARGE. I DON'T THINK YOU DO.
I THINK I DO FOR KNOWING HIM 15 YEARS AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S
A BIGOTED BONE IN HIS BODY. YOU DISAGREE PHILOSOPHICALLY.
>> THE GUY JUST WENT OUT AND SAID, A PERSON WHO WAS -- AFTER
HE SAID MEXICO IS SENDING RAPISTS.
AT A CERTAIN THE POINT I DON'T CARE WHAT ISS IN HIS BODY OR WHT
HIS BONES ARE, IS THERE SOME WAY YOU CAN MAKE DERRELLATION
WITHOUT KNOWING HIM FINAL YEARS? >> HE DISAGREES THE PREMISE OF
YOUR QUESTION. HE DOES NOT BELIEVE ARPAIO'S
WRAKSS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. HE DISAGREES THE COURT'S
FINDING. SO YOU CAN'T SAY THEREFORE THAT
MAKES IT BIGOTRY. HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IT IS
UNCONSTITUTIONAL. >> YOU'RE SAYING THAT I KNOW GUY
FOR 15 YEARS. YOU DO KNOW HIM BETTER THAN I
DO. I BELIEVE YOU WHEN YOU SAY I
DON'T THINK HE'S BIGOTED. BUT THERE IS A WHOLE BIG COUNTRY
OF PEOPLE WHO DO NOT KNOW THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
WHAT THEY SEE IS HOW HE SAYS THINGS AND THE ACTIONS THAT HE
TAKES. THAT'S WHY I SAID THE YOMTS A
MISTAKE. THE RHETORIC WAS A MISTAKE.
NOT ONLY BECAUSE THEY'RE DIVISIVE BUT ALSO BECAUSE I
DON'T THINK HE'S GIVING AN ACCURATE IMPORTANT TRAIL OF WHO
I KNOW HIM TO BE. AND HE'S PLACED HIMSELF IN A
POSITION, WHETHER YOU KNOW HIM WELL OR NOT OVER SNOWE HE'S THE
PRESIDENT. >> I WANT TO ASK YOU ANOTHER
THING. THE PRESIDENT SAYS A LOT OF
UNTRUE THINGS ALL THE TIME. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY I KNOW WHAT
IS IN HIS MIND. YESTERDAY HE SAID FINLAND IS
BUYING F-18s. THEY'RE NOT.
THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE. IT IS TIRING.
FATIGUING. IT IS BIZARRE TO HAVE A
PRESIDENT WHO UTTERS UNTRUE THINGS THIS MUCH.
>> I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE TIRED OR FATIGUED.
>> HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH IT? >> PEOPLE OFTEN SAY THINGS TURN
OUT NOT TO BE TRUE. I REMEMBER PRESIDENT OBAMA
SAYING, IF YOU LIKE YOUR DOCTOR, YOU CAN KEEP IT.
>> THAT'S THE -- THAT'S THE GO-TO.
>> IT DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY LESS UNTRUE.
IT TURNED OUT TO BE DEMONSTRABLY UNTRUE.
>> BARACK OBAMA DID NOT SAY THINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE 3
MILLION PEOPLE WHO ILLEGALLY VOTED.
I'M NOT SAYING HE WAS ALWAYS TRUTHFUL.
OF COURSE HE WAS NOT. HE SAID UNTRUE THINGS.
IT IS DIFFERENT. IT REALLY IS.
>> I KNOW YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S DIFFERENT.
>> THIS IS WHAT I FEEL. I FEEL LIKE THE INTENSITY OF THE
COVERAGE OF THIS PRESIDENT FOR NOW SEVEN MONTHS OR SO, A LITTLE
OVER SEVEN MONTHS, IT HAS BEEN EXHAUSTING.
IT FEELS LIKE IT'S BEEN SEVEN YEARS.
NOT SEVEN MONTHS. >> HE IS DRIVING A LOT OF THAT
ATTENTION. >> OF COURSE.
SOME OF THAT IS NOT JUST BECAUSE
OF HIM. IT IS ALSO BECAUSE OF THE
INTENSITY OF THE COVERAGE OF EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON.
WHICH I HAVEN'T SEEN WITH PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS.
I'M NOT SAYING IT IS EVEN A BIAS.
I THINK IT WAS THE SAME THING WITH GEORGE W. BUSH.
AND OFTENTIMES WITH BARACK OBAMA.
THIS IS EVEN MORE INTENSE THAN EITHER OF THOSE.
>> I FEEL LIKE THERE IS A FUNDAMENTAL LEVEL.
LET ME ASK YOU THIS. YOU'RE THE CHAIR OF THE OPIOID
COMMISSION. 60,000 PEOPLE HAVE DIED.
LET'S SAY, WE COULD BE UNDER HAD MARTIAL LAW.
>> IT IS A 9/11 EVERY THREE YEARS.
YOUR NUMBER ONE TOP LINE IS TO DECLARE A STATE OF EMERGENCY.
PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID HE WON'T DO IT AT FIRST.
>> HE DIDN'T SAY IT. >> YOU'RE IN -- YOU WERE ON A
COMMISSION. >> I WAS ON VACATION.
>> STILL WEIRD. THEN WILL HE GETS ASKED ABOUT
THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION. AND HE GETS UP AND SAYS, WE'RE
DRAWING PAPERS UP. >> IT SHOULD BE DONE.
WHY DOESN'T HE DO IT? >> IT IS BEING DONE.
THERE'S A LOT OF DEBATE IN THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT WHICH WAY
TO DO IT. WE PRESENTED HIM WITH TWO
DIFFERENT OPTIONS. I'VE BEEN AN EXECUTIVE NOW FOR
NEARLY EIGHT YEARS AND THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THE PEOPLE WHO WORK
FOR ME FRUSTRATE ME. I THINK IT IS TIME, THE
PRESIDENT IS NOT A LAWYER. I THINK IT IS TIME FOR THE
PRESIDENT AND THE WHITE HOUSE STAFF STAFF TO GET ON THIS.
FOR THE PRESIDENT TO DEMAND THAT THEY GET PAPERS IN FRONT SO THEY
CAN SIGN. >> IT'S AN EMERGENCY.
>> WHEN A 9/11 IS HAPPENING EVERY THREE WEEKS, IN OUR
COUNTRY, IT IS AN EMERGENCY. >> CAPACITY TREATMENT.
>> ABSOLUTELY. AND WE NEED ON GET MORE MEDICAID
TREATMENT. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE LOCK
ZONE IS IN EVERY OFFICER'S HANDS.
STATE, LOCAL, FEDERAL, COUNTY. WE NEED TO DO THIS.
I MADE IT VERY CLEAR TO MY FRIEND THE P