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>>> JOINED BY FORMER FOX
POLITICAL REPORTER, CARL
CAMERON.
CAMERON. THANKS FOR DOING THIS.
>> THANKS, ARI, GREAT TO BE
HERE.
HERE. >> YOU SEE SHEP LEAVE AFTER
SAYING FACTS MATTER.
WHAT DOES IF MEAN?
>> BIG LOSS FOR FOX NEWS
CHANNEL, IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT
THE WAY IN WHICH THE CABLE
CHANNEL HAS BEEN FOR YEARS
SHRINKING THE NEWS DEPARTMENT
AND BUILDING ITS RIGHT WING
ENTERTAINMENT HOSTS BECAUSE THAT
GETS RATINGS, RATINGS GETS
REVENUE, THAT’S HOW THEY MAKE
MONEY.
MONEY. IT IS A REAL SAD DAY FOR PEOPLE
WHO WATCH FOX NEWS AND WANT
ACCURATE INFORMATION BECAUSE
SHEP WAS SOMEBODY WHO YOU COULD
RELIABLY COUNT ON.
>> DO YOU THINK SHEP LEAVING
LEAVES OTHER PEOPLE WITH MORE
POWER?
POWER? DOES IT TILT THE NETWORK TOWARDS
BEING PARTISAN DEFENDER OF THE
GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THERE’S A
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOING NEWS,
DOING SOME DISCUSSION OF IDEAS,
OPINIONS AND IDEOLOGY, OR BEING
ALIGNED WITH A GOVERNMENT.
>> RIGHT NOW I THINK PROBABLY
THE NEWS DIVISIONS AT FOX ARE
PLAIN SHELL SHOCKED.
AS YOU SAW ON THE FACE OF NEIL
CAVUTO WHEN HE HEARD IT LIVE FOR
THE FIRST TIME.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL
BE TELLING IN TERMS OF WHAT
HAPPENS NEXT IS THAT FOX HAS
SAID THEY WILL HAVE ROTATING
HOSTS IN THE SLOT THAT WAS
SHEPARD’S IN THE WEEKS OR DAYS
AHEAD.
AHEAD. IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO FIND
OUT WHETHER OR NOT THESE ARE
JOURNALISTS THAT TELL THE TRUTH
OR WHETHER THESE ARE OPINION
MAKERS WHO ARE ESSENTIALLY COD
ELG THE PRESIDENT AND HIS
ALLIES.
ALLIES. >> WERE YOU SURPRISED?
>> NOT ENTIRELY.
SHEP AND I GO WAY, WAY BACK,
HIRED TOGETHER AT THE LAUNCH OF
THE NETWORK.
THE NETWORK. HE GAVE ME MY NICKNAME.
>> REALLY?
>> REALLY? I THINK WE HAVE SOME OF THAT
JUST TO SEE THE YOUNGER FOLKS.
WE CAN PUT THAT UP.
BOTH OF YOU GUYS TOGETHER.
HE NAMED YOU CAMPAIGN CARL?
>> HE DID, AND DIRTY LITTLE
SECRET, SHEP WAS NEVER
PARTICULARLY HAPPY ABOUT
COVERING CAMPAIGN POLITICS.
HE THOUGHT ONCE THE ELECTION
SEASON WAS ON, YOU COULDN’T
TRUST ANYTHING THEY WERE GOING
TO SAY, THEY WOULD TELL YOU
WHATEVER YOU WANT TO HEAR.
IN MANY WAYS HE HAD TO FACE AS I
DID AN AWFUL LOT OF OPINION
HOSTS TELLING VIEWERS WHAT THEY
WANTED TO HEAR AS OPPOSED TO
WHAT THEY MIGHT NEED TO KNOW TO
BE FULLY INFORMED.
>> WE SHOWED HOW MUCH THE
PRESIDENT EMPHASIZES FOX AS A
DIRECT PART OF HIS POLITICAL
APPEAL LAST NIGHT.
HE ALSO WAS ASKED ABOUT THIS
TODAY.
TODAY. TAKE A LOOK.
>> NO, I DON’T KNOW, IS HE
LEAVING?
LEAVING? OH, THAT’S A SHAME.
IS HE LEAVING BECAUSE OF BAD
RATINGS?
RATINGS? IF HE’S LEAVING, I ASSUME HE IS
LEAVING BECAUSE HE HAD BAD
RATINGS.
RATINGS. HE HAD THE WORST RATINGS ON FOX.
>> HE DID NOT HAVE THE WORST
RATINGS AT FOX.
AND HE DID A GREAT JOB COVERING
THE NEWS.
THE NEWS. AND HE WAS ALL OVER THE WORLD,
WORKED DOGGEDLY, HAD A GREAT
TEAM.
TEAM. THE EXECUTIVES KNOW THIS IS A
LOSS.
LOSS. WHEN FOX WOULD SAY OR DO THINGS
THAT WERE DEMONSTRABLY UNTRUE,
SHEP WOULD BE THE PERSON THEY
WOULD POINT TO AS A MEASUREMENT
OF GOOD JOURNALISM.
IN FACT, THEY USED TO DO IT WITH
ME OCCASIONALLY, TOO.
THE REALITY IS THAT WITHOUT
SHEP’S SHOW, FOX NEWS’ 24 HOUR
NEWS WHEEL IS DOWN TO THE BRET
BAIER SHOW.
BAIER SHOW. MOST OF THE REST IS
PREDOMINANTLY TALK.
PREDOMINANTLY TALK. AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO
HEAR THAT TO MAKE GOOD
JUDGMENTS.
JUDGMENTS. OTHERWISE IT IS PROPAGANDA, AND
THAT’S THE STUFF OF THIRD WORLD
NATIONS, NOT THE ONE THAT PRIDES
ITSELF AS LEADER OF ALL NATIONS.
>> WOW.
>> WOW. YOU WORKED THERE, YOU WORKED
WITH SHEP, MENTIONING BEING LIKE
THIRD WORLD NATION PROPAGANDA
STRIKING.
STRIKING. TAKE A LISTEN TO TRUMP AND THE
FOX HOST, THE RELATIONSHIP WE
HAVE BEEN TRACKING.
>> AND LAURA INGRAHAM WAS
KNOCKING THEM OUT OF THE PARK.
>> THE PRESIDENT NOT ONLY DID
NOTHING WRONG, HE WENT ABOVE AND
BEYOND HIS DUTY TO HIS OFFICE.
>> AND THE GREAT LOU DOBBS.
>> WE HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT’S A
TRUE LEADER IN MY OPINION, ONE I
HAPPEN TO BELIEVE WILL BE
REGARDED AS ONE OF THE GREATEST
PRESIDENTS, INDEED OUR GREATEST.
>> AND THE LEGENDARY SEAN
HANNITY.
HANNITY. >> THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN HARD
AT WORK SINCE HE WAS ELECTED,
AND THE RESULTS, THEY SPEAK FOR
THEMSELVES.
THEMSELVES. >> THE CONVERSATION CONTINUES.
I WANT TO BRING IN DANIELLE
MOODY MILLS WHO JOINS A FORMER
FOX NEWS REPORTER CARL CAMERON.
DANIELLE, YOUR VIEWS ON THIS AND
WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE A
PRESIDENT SO JOINED AT THE HIP
WITH FOX.
WITH FOX. I WILL GO AONALD TRUMP’S
IMPUGNING SHEP’S RATES.
I WILL GO FURTHER HE DIDN’T LOOK
SURPRISED, HE LAUNCHED INTO
ATTACKING SHEP SMITH.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS WHETHER
IMPLICITLY OR EXPLICITLY, THE
GOVERNMENT IS DICTATING THE
PROGRAM.
PROGRAM. >> IT IS EXPLICIT, THE
GOVERNMENT IS DICTATING PROGRAM.
FOX NEWS TURNED INTO STATE
TELEVISION.
TELEVISION. IT IS TRUMP TV.
THE REALITY IS THAT WHY IS
WILLIAM BARR WHO IS THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES
GOING TO MEET WITH RUPERT
MURDOCH?
MURDOCH? WHY IS THAT SOMETHING HE IS
DOING?
DOING? WAS THERE SOMETHING THAT WAS
HAPPENING WITH FOX NEWS AND THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT HE WAS
GOING TO TALK ABOUT OR WAS HE
GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT
THAT THE POLLS CAME OUT AND
TRUMP DIDN’T LIKE WHAT HE SAW,
HE DIDN’T LIKE THE REALITY THAT
WAS BEING PRESENTED TO HIM AT
FOX NEWS WHICH IS THAT 51% OF
AMERICANS ARE FOR IMPEACHMENT
AND REMOVAL FROM OFFICE.
AND THAT HE HAS A PROBLEM WITH
THAT.
THAT. SHEP SMITH, WHILE I HAVE MANY
ISSUES WITH FOX NEWS IN GENERAL
AND THE FACT THEY CALL
THEMSELVES FAIR AND BALANCED,
WHICH IS LAUGHABLE AT BEST, IS
THIS IDEA THAT HE WAS THE ONLY
LONE DISSENTER, THE ONLY ONE
BRINGING UP THE FACTS, THAT
WOULD POINT OUT THINGS TRUMP WAS
SAYING THAT WERE A LIE.
SO NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN A DAY
AFTER THAT MEETING HE IS GONE
AND RESIGNED OUT OF NOWHERE, 23
YEARS.
YEARS. YOU KNOW THE MEDIA GAME, PEOPLE
DON’T LEAVE IN THE MIDDLE OF
THEIR CONTRACT FOR NO REASON,
RIGHT?
RIGHT? LIKE YOU HAVE TO BE PUSHED OUT
OR TOLD TO DO SOMETHING THAT
THEN YOU DECIDE YOU KNOW WHAT,
MAYBE MY INTEGRITY IS TOO MUCH
AT THIS POINT, SO I AM GOING TO
WALK AWAY.
WALK AWAY. WHAT HE HAS DONE HERE, WHAT FOX
IS SETTING THEMSELF UP TO BE IS
ANOTHER ARM OF THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN, AND THAT’S WHAT
THEY’LL CONTINUE TO DO, AND ALL
OF THE HOSTS THAT HE SHOUTED OUT
LIKE A RAP CONCERT LAST NIGHT,
THOSE ARE THE ONES HE WILL LIFT
UP BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN AN
ALTERNATE REALITY WHEREAS
GIULIANI SAID TRUTH IS NOT
TRUTH.
TRUTH. >> IF IT IS A CONCERT, DOES THAT
MAKE BILL BARR THE HYPE MAN.
I THINK SHE LAYS OUT A
BLISTERING AGENDA.
BLISTERING AGENDA. I HAVE TO NOTE AS A REPORTER,
WE’RE REPORTING WHAT SHEP SAID
TODAY, THAT HE ASKED TO LEAVE,
THEY ASKED HIM TO STAY, HE
PRESSED AND LEFT.
I WANT TO GET THAT IN THERE.
DANIELLE RAISES IMPORTANT
QUESTIONS, CARL.
QUESTIONS, CARL. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE FACT
THAT THIS IS BROADER.
WE ALWAYS MAKE MISTAKES WHEN WE
PROFILE.
PROFILE. PROFILING REPUBLICANS IS TOO
BROAD A BRUSH AS PROFILING ANY
OTHER GROUP.
OTHER GROUP. FOX NEWS APPEARS TO BE CAUGHT IN
A SITUATION AS WE MENTIONED IN
FACTS WE DID SETTING THIS UP
WHERE A LOT OF REPUBLICANS ARE
CONCERNED ABOUT POTENTIAL ABUSE
OF NATIONAL SECURITY POWERS TO
TALK TO RIVALS.
DON’T THOSE PEOPLE WATCH FOX
NEWS?
NEWS? DO YOU THINK THEY’VE BECOME TOO
TRUMPIFIED.
TRUMPIFIED. >> I AGREE WITH THE OBSERVATION
FOR STARTERS.
FOR STARTERS. ONE OF THE THINGS TO REMEMBER IS
IN THE CASE OF LARRY HOGAN,
GOVERNOR OF MARYLAND, DOWN
BALLOT TICKET MEMBERS ARE GOING
TO BE PARTICULARLY AFRAID OF
WHAT TRUMP COULD DO TO THEM.
THERE ARE MODERATE REPUBLICANS
IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE AS
COMPARED TO DONALD TRUMP’S
VERSION OF REPUBLICANISM OR
CONSERVATISM, WHATEVER HE WANTS
TO CALL IT.
IT ISN’T ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
AS PEOPLE WHO SEE THEMSELVES AS
RIGHT OF CENTER LOOK AT WHAT
TRUMP IS DOING IN TERMS OF
VALUES AND CULTURE OF WHAT HAS
BEEN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ON
CONSERVATISM WHICH IS DEVOLVING
20 YEARS, OVER THE CENTURIES HAS
BEEN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
THEY FEAR IT.
>> I WANT TO GET YOU BOTH IN ON
IN A SENTENCE, WHAT DO YOU THINK
OF SHEP SMITH, WHAT HIS CAREER
STOOD FOR.
STOOD FOR. CARL, THEN DANIELLE.
>> I THINK HE HAS DONE A
TREMENDOUS JOB, A STELLAR AMOUNT
OF WORK.
OF WORK. DIRTY LITTLE SECRET, HE DIDN’T
LIKE POLITICS.
LIKE POLITICS. I WAS OUT ON THE ROAD DOING THAT
STUFF.
STUFF. WHEN HE WOULD COME OUT, WE WOULD
COMISSER ATE ABOUT THE
DISHONESTY OF IT.
>> DANIELLE?
>> DANIELLE? >> I THINK WHAT WE’RE SEEING
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEBODY
DISSENTS AGAINST TRUMP, I THINK
ALL JOURNALISTS SHOULD BE
CONCERNED.
CONCERNED. THIS IS A CONCERNING MOMENT
RIGHT NOW.