>> UKRAINE SAID SAUDI ARABIA IS
PREPARING TO HOST AN
INTERNATIONAL SUMMIT TO DISCUSS
A PEACE INITIATIVE FOR THE WAR
WITH RUSSIA.
KYIV IS EXPECTED TO PARTICIPATE
IN THE TALKS, ALONG WESTERN
POWERS AND KEY DEVELOPING
NATIONS LIKE INDIA, BRAZIL,
RUSSIA WILL NOT BE INVOLVED.
UKRAINE HASN'T SPECIFIED WHEN
THE MEETINGS WILL BE HELD.
IT SAYS THAT THE FOCUS ON A TEN
POINT PEACE PLAN WHICH WAS
DEVELOPED BY ITS PRESIDENT
VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY.
THE RUSSIAN OFFICIAL SAID
UKRAINE HAS LAUNCHED A DRONE
ATTACK ON THE BRYANSK REGION
HITTING A BUILDING OF THE
DISTRICTS DEPARTMENT OF
INTERNAL AFFAIRS, IT'S THE
LATEST STRIKE IN RUSSIA THAT
MOSCOW HAS BLAMED ON KYIV.
ON SUNDAY, THE KREMLIN ALSO
ACCUSED UKRAINE OF LAUNCHING A
DRONE ATTACK ON MOSCOW AND
RUSSIA SAYS THAT IT HAS
UNMANNED VEHICLES, BUT AS YOU
COULD SEE IN THIS VEHICLE AT
LEAST ONE OF THEM CRASHED INTO
THE BUSINESS CENTER.
THIS MOMENT, AGO UKRAINE
ACCUSED RUSSIA OF LAUNCHING
ATTACKS OF ITS OWN, SAYING TWO
MISSILES WILL FALL TOWARDS THE
CENTER OF THE UKRAINIAN CITY.
CNN'S CLARE SEBASTIAN HAS BEEN
MONITORING ALL OF THIS.
FIRST OF, ALL THE ATTACKS FROM
WHAT APPEARS TO BE UKRAINE ON
RUSSIA.
THEY HAVE BEEN DENIED IT, HAVE
THEY?
>> THEY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING
YET, BUT NO, THEY HAVE BEEN
DENIED IT.
AND THIS COMES AFTER COMMENTS
OF PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY ON
SUNDAY.
GRADUALLY, HE SAID THE WORDS
RETURNING TO OBSERVATORY RUSSIA,
THIS IS A NATURAL AND FAIR
PROCESS.
BUT REALLY, THIS IS THE THIRD
TIME IN FOUR DAYS THAT WE'VE
SEEN RUSSIA ACCUSE UKRAINE OF
ATTACKING THE.
SO THIS ONE, A DRONE, ACCORDING
TO THE REGIONAL GOVERNOR IN THE
BRYANT GRUDGE, AND I THINK YOU
COULD PULL UP THE MASK.
IT --
MAP, IT'S JUST ACROSS THE BOARD
OF.
UKRAINE AND WHERE HE SAYS IT
WAS HIT AND THE CASUALTIES
HAPPENED OVERNIGHT.
THEY'RE CLEANING UP THE
NARRATIVES, BUT THEY DIDN'T
DECLARE HIM, AS OF, YET THAT
THEY SHOT DOWN THAT DRONE WITH
THE ATTACKS ON MOSCOW ON
SUNDAY.
AND THEN THERE WAS A MISSILE
THAT HIT THE REGION, BECAUSE SO
FAR MOSCOW'S BEEN CLAIMING THAT
IT'S BEEN CHEATING THEM DOWN.
SO THAT'S POTENTIALLY
NOTEWORTHY, BUT SEPARATELY,
MASK, WE WERE HEARING OF THIS
MISSILE ATTACK WHICH IS
PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY'S HOMETOWN
IN CENTRAL UKRAINE.
I THINK WE COULD POTENTIALLY
SHOW YOU A MAP OF WHERE THAT
IS.
WE'RE HEARING SO FAR THAT TWO
BUILDINGS WERE HIT.
AN EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION AND
THEN, APPARENTLY, THE SECOND
MISSILE ACCORDING TO THE
INTERIOR MINISTER DESTROYED A
SECTION FROM THE FOURTH TO THE
NINTH FLOOR OF RESIDENTIAL
BUILDING.
SO FAR THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON
KILLED AND TEN INJURED.
BUT THEY ARE CONCERNED THAT
PEOPLE ARE STILL TRAPPED UNDER
THE RUBBLE.
RESCUE EFFORTS CONTINUE.
THERE WAS JUST SIX WEEKS AGO,
THIS TEAM TOWN WAS HIT BY
MISSILE ATTACK THAT KILLED 11
PEOPLE.
>> YES AND IN TERMS OF THIS
SUMMIT, LIKE SAUDI ARABIA, IT'S
INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S GOT
SUCH A BROAD GROUP OF
COUNTRIES.
IT'S GOT THESE DEVELOPING
NATIONS, MIDDLE EASTERN NATIONS,
BUT ALSO WESTERN NATIONS.
BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT RUSSIA.
>>, YES SO THIS IS UKRAINE
ATTEMPTING TO RALLY SUPPORT
AROUND PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY'S
TEN POINT PEACE PLAN.
IT'S THE SECOND PHASE OF THAT
PROCESS, INVOLVES NATIONAL
SECURITY TO THE LEADERS OF
THESE COUNTRIES.
AND THEY'RE ALREADY TRYING TO
BRING, IN AS HE, SAID NOT JUST
THEIR WESTERN ALLIES,
TRADITIONAL ALLIES THAT PROVIDE
WEAPONS AND IMPOSE SANCTIONS
AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY'RE
TRYING TO BRING IN THE LIKES OF,
INDIA BRAZIL REALLY WANTS THAT
RUSSIA HAS BEEN TRYING TO.
COTTON WE SAW THAT THEY
CONTINUE TO TRY TO COURT THE
DEVELOPING WORLD.
SO THIS WILL HAPPEN, AND SAUDI
ARABIA, WHICH THE GENERAL SAID
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE
COMING WEEKEND SO CRUCIAL TO
WATCH.
THAT THEY SAY WILL BE LEADING
UP TO A LEADER SUMMIT ON THIS
ISSUE AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
NOT INVOLVING MOSCOW.
>> CLARE, THANK YOU.
HE'S ALSO FORMER COMMANDER AT
THE AUSTRALIAN DEFENSE
CORPORATION.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU.
SO WE ARE SEEING UKRAINE STRIKE
RUSSIA AGAIN WITH THESE DRONE
ATTACKS AND WHAT'S IT HOPING TO
ACHIEVE WITH HIS ATTACKS ON
RUSSIA?
AND IS THIS A WINNING STRATEGY
FOR UKRAINE?
>> WELL IT IS PART OF UKRAINE
STRIKING BACK AT RUSSIA AND A
POLITICAL IMPERATIVE, PRESIDENT
ZELENSKYY TO STRIKE BACK UP BUT
THE TERRIBLE RUSSIAN STRIKES IN
ODESSA AND A HISTORICAL,
CULTURAL GRANIX TOWARDS ITS
SIGHTS.
BUT, ALSO IT IS INFORMATION
IMPERATIVE.
THAT UKRAINE WANTS TO BRING THE
WAR HOME TO THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE
AND SAY THAT THIS ISN'T A
SPECIAL MILITARY OPERATION.
WHICH YOU ARE A PART OF.
>> AND HOW DO YOU EXPECT RUSSIA
WILL RESPOND MILITARILY TO THE
ATTACKS ON THE SOIL?
>> WELL, I THINK WE WILL SEE
RUSSIA RESPOND IN MORE DRONE
MISSILE ATTACKS, THAT IS PRETTY
MUCH OVER THE COURSE FOR THE
RUSSIANS AND AT LEAST
CONTINUING TO DO THAT, AND NOW
CONTINUING MAKING ACCUSATIONS
THAT THIS OFFENSIVE, THE
UKRAINIANS ARE UNDERTAKING TO
TAKE BACK THEIR TERRITORY IS
PREVENTING --
FROM RUSSIA.
>> AND WHAT IMPACT MIGHT THESE
UKRAINIAN ATTACKS ON RUSSIA
HAVE ON SOME WESTERN NATIONS
THAT ARE CURRENTLY SENDING
MILITARY ASSISTANCE TO UKRAINE?
>> WELL THROUGHOUT THE, WAR
UKRAINIANS HAVE GRADUALLY
EXPANDED THEIR BASE IN THESE
KIND OF STRIKES.
WE SAW THEM ON THE ANGLE, WE'VE
SENT STRIKES ON THE POLE AND
THERE ARE THREE ATTACKS ON
MOSCOW.
AND, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE
WOULD SEE THE WESTERN COUNTRIES
NERVOUS WITH THEIR PIECE,
THINGS THAT ARE VERY TARGETED
STRIKES THEY'RE NOT KILLING
RUSSIANS AND CIVILIANS BUT
CERTAINLY SOME MIGHT BE LOOK AT
THIS AS A REASON TO NOT TO GIVE
UKRAINE --
IN THAT, CASE THAT WOULD BE A
TRAGEDY.
>> AND AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING,
OF, COURSE WE KNOW THAT UKRAINE
PLANS TO HOLD PEACE TALKS IN
SAUDI ARABIA.
AND RUSSIA WILL NOT BE TAKING
PART.
SO, WHAT WILL LIKELY BE
ACHIEVED BY THIS?
GIVEN PRESIDENT PUTIN INSISTS
THAT A CEASE-FIRE IS UNLIKELY
WELL UKRAINE'S COUNTEROFFENSIVE
CONTINUES?
>> WELL, AT THE G20 MEETING,
LAST, YEAR HE HAD A CLAIM FOR
DETERMINATION AND PART OF THAT
IS RUSSIA LEAVING UKRAINIAN
TERRITORY.
AND HE WILL BE SEEKING TO BUILD
A WIDER CONSENSUS, BEYOND THE
G20 FOR THAT TEN POINT CLAIM.
AND I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF
SENSE, AT THIS POINT IN THE
WAR.
>> SO HOW DO YOU SEE THIS WAR
ENDING?
WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS IN TERMS
OF AN OFF FROM?
>> WELL, THERE IS A BROAD
SPECTRUM OF POTENTIAL THAT
COMES IN THIS WAR.
WE CERTAINLY HOPE THAT UKRAINE
WILL WIN, I EXPECT THAT THEY
WILL.
BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS A
MORAL IMPERATIVE AMONG OTHER
COUNTRIES TO HELP UKRAINE FOR
MORE QUICKLY.
SO THAT MORE UKRAINIANS ARE,
LIKELY AT THE END OF THIS TO
ENJOY THE FRUITS OF THEIR
VICTORY.
>> SO WHAT ARE THOSE OPTIONS
THEN?
WE >> WELL, AT THIS POINT IN
TIME, WE NEED TO CONTINUE
SUPPORTING UKRAINIANS IN THE
CURRENT OFFENSIVE, WHILE STILL
SUPPORTING THEM OVER THE WINTER,
PREPARING THEM AND TRAINING
THEM FOR ANY SUBSEQUENT
DEFENSIVE THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED
IN 2024.
I THINK EVEN THE MOST
OPTIMISTIC UKRAINIAN ESTIMATES
FOR THE COUNTEROFFENSIVE MIGHT
ONLY SEE --
BUT CRIMEA IN PARTS OF THE
DONBAS WILL PROBABLY REQUIRE
FUTURE OPERATIONS.
>> ALL RIGHT, NICK RIND, THANK
YOU SO MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR
MILITARY ANALYSIS WITH US.
WE DO APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU.