RECORDING IN ANY CONTEXT? >> I CAN’T GUARANTEE ANYTHING.
>>> THIS MORNING, CATHOLICS
AROUND THE WORLD ARE PROCESSING
A STUNNING REPORT OUT OF
PENNSYLVANIA DETAILING HORRIFIC,
HORRIFIC SEXUAL ABUSES OF
CHILDREN BY HUNDREDS OF PRIESTS
ACROSS THE STATE OF
PENNSYLVANIA.
PENNSYLVANIA. STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL JOSH
SHAPIRO LED THE TWO-YEAR-LONG
INVESTIGATION AND SPOKE VERY
BLUNTLY ABOUT THE CHURCH’S
EFFORTS TO REPEATEDLY COVER UP
THESE CRIMES.
THESE CRIMES. >> THE CHURCH OFFICIALS
ROUTINELY AND PURPOSEFULLY
DESCRIBED THE ABUSE AS "HORSE
PLAY" AND "WRESTLING" AND
"INAPPROPRIATE CONTACT."
"INAPPROPRIATE CONTACT." IT WAS NONE OF THOSE THINGS.
IT WAS CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE.
INCLUDING RAPE COMMITTED BY
GROWN MEN, PRIESTS AGAINST
CHILDREN.
CHILDREN. >> THE STORIES OF ABUSE BY MEN
WHO ARE GIVEN THE HIGHEST LEVEL
OF TRUST ARE GROTESQUE.
THOSE ENTRUSTED TO MINISTER TO
THEIR COMMUNITIES USED GOLD
CROSSES, NECKLACES, SYMBOLS OF
THEIR FAITH TO MARK THEIR
VICTIMS, MAKING THEM EASIER TO
TARGET.
TARGET. A CHILD WAS STRIPPED NAKED AND
FORCED TO STAND ON A BED AND
POSE AS CHRIST ON THE CROSS.
ONE PRIEST CONFESSED TO RAPING
AT LEAST 15 BOYS, SOME AS YOUNG
AS SEVEN YEARS OLD.
ANOTHER ABUSED FIVE SISTERS FROM
THE SAME FAMILY.
>> AND PLEASE PAY ATTENTION.
THE NUMBERS WE ARE ABOUT TO GO
THROUGH ARE BOTH STUNNING AND
DISTURBING.
DISTURBING. MORE THAN ONE THOUSAND CHILDREN
WERE ABUSED IN TWISTED AND
SADISTIC CASES OF EXPLOITATION,
SOME OF WHICH INCLUDED ALCOHOL,
WHIPS, AND HOLY WATER.
AND THE STATE AG SAYS HIS OFFICE
BELIEVES THERE ARE EVEN MORE.
THE GRAND JURY REPORT NAMES 301
PRIESTS THOUGH SOME REMAIN
REDACTED BUT THE SCOPE OF THE
ABUSE IS STAGGERING.
IT’S STAGGERING BECAUSE YOU ONLY
GET NUMBERS THIS BIG IF THERE
ARE SYSTEMATIC COVERUPS GOING ON
YEAR AFTER YEAR.
>> CHUSHLGRCH OFFICIALS HELPED C
UP THE DISGUSTING ABUSE BY
MOVING PRIESTS, EVEN GIVING ONE
A JOB REFERENCE TO WORK AT
DISNEY WORLD.
DISNEY WORLD. AND TO PUT THESE ABUSERS IN
PERSPECTIVE, THERE ARE ONLY 982
PARISHES IN PENNSYLVANIA AND
PRIESTS REGULARLY MOVE AROUND
DURING THEIR CAREERS GIVING
THESE ABUSERS THE CHANCE TO
VICTIMIZE CHILDREN STATEWIDE FOR
DECADES.
DECADES. >> THIS PROBLEM TOUCHED EVERY
SINGLE DIOCESE IN THE STATE AND
IT REACHES FAR BEYOND
PENNSYLVANIA.
PENNSYLVANIA. SOMETHING ALL 1.2 BILLION
CATHOLICS ACROSS THE PLANET WILL
HAVE TO RECKON WITH.
THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL
PRESSED A VIDEO GIVING SURVIVORS
TO TALK ABOUT IN THE THEIR OWN
WORDS.
WORDS. >> I GREW UP IN A SMALL WESTERN
PENNSYLVANIA TOWN, JOHNSTOWN,
PENNSYLVANIA.
PENNSYLVANIA. >> I GREW UP IN BETHLEHEM.
>> I WAS GROOMED STARTING YOUNG.
>> THE DAY I MET HIM I WAS
AROUND 18 MONTHS OLD.
>> THEY TARGETED ME BECAUSE I
WAS FATHERLESS.
WAS FATHERLESS. >> WE WERE TAUGHT -- I MEAN, THE
PRIESTS AND THE NUNS ARE GOD.
>> JUST THINK LIKE THE WORD GOD
MAKES ME THINK OF HIM AND I
JUST --
JUST -- >> WHO WOULD HAVE BELIEVED ME?
A PRIEST IN 1948 OR ’47 WOULD
ABUSE YOU?
ABUSE YOU? DO THAT?
DO THAT? NO ONE EVER HEARD OF SUCH A
THING BECAUSE THEY COVERED IT
UP.
UP. >> IT DOESN’T EVER GO AWAY.
IT HAS AN EFFECT ON YOU FOR THE
REST OF YOUR LIFE.
>> AND I’M A SURVIVOR.
>> IT’S VERY LONELY.
ESPECIALLY WHEN IT’S YOUR WORD
AGAINST GOD’S.
AGAINST GOD’S. >> WOW, YOUR WORD AGAINST GOD’S.
>> THEY COVERED IT UP YEAR AFTER
YEAR.
YEAR. JOINING US NOW, ONE OF THE
SURVIVORS YOU SAW IN THAT VIDEO,
SHAWN
SHAWN SHAUN DOHERTY AND MITCHELL
GARABEDIAN THE ATTORNEY
REPRESENTING SIX SURVIVORS.
HE’S REPRESENTED THOSE ABUSED BY
PRIESTS FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS.
MITCHELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR
WORK, SHAUN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR
STORY.
STORY. YOU SAID SHARING THE STORY WAS
ONE OF THE PROUDEST THINGS
YOU’VE EVER DONE IN YOUR LIFE.
TELL US WHY AND WHAT HAS THE
LAST 24 HOURS BEEN LIKE FOR YOU?
>> IT’S BEEN ABSOLUTELY
RELIEVING FOR THE LAST 24 HOURS.
I’VE HAD THIS WEIGHT LIFTED OFF
MY SHOULDER SINCE I JOINED THE
MILITARY IN 1991 AND SWORE AN
OATH.
OATH. I’VE BEEN TRYING TO TALK ABOUT
THIS SINCE THEN I FEEL YESTERDAY
I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO FULFILL
MY OATH.
MY OATH. I’M THRILLED THAT SINCE I CAME
OUT PUBLICLY THE PEOPLE THAT I’M
CONNECTED TO NOW, THE STORIES
THAT WE’RE SHARING, THE PEOPLE
THAT ARE REACHING OUT TO ME FROM
LITERALLY AROUND THE WORLD, WE
HAVE ALL BEEN ALONE FOR SO LONG
AND NOW WE ARE CONNECTED THROUGH
OUR STORIES, THROUGH THIS GARAGE
AND NOW THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA AND
WE ARE NOW TRYING TO TACKLE IT
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. >> MITCHELL, SOME OF THE
OFFENSES DETAILED HAPPENED IN
THE LAST TEN YEARS.
I’M FASCINATED BY THAT.
I HAVE HEARD THIS STORY AND I
HAVE BEEN COVERING IT FOR
DECADES.
DECADES. WHY WHEN THIS FIRST CAME OUT DID
THIS NOT STOP?
DID THE CHURCH NOT TAKE STRONGER
ACTIONS?
ACTIONS? WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT
THIS?
THIS? WE NOW KNOW IT’S BEEN GOING ON
FOR 70 PLUS YEARS AND THIS IS
JUST ABOUT THE STATE OF
PENNSYLVANIA.
PENNSYLVANIA. >> IT’S CRIMINALITY.
CRIMINALITY THROUGH AND THROUGH.
YOU’RE DEALING WITH AN
INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL
INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE
ENTERPRISE ENTERPRISE.
ENTERPRISE. FOR CENTURIES -- I HAVE CLIENTS
WHO WERE ABUSED 80 YEARS AGO.
THEY WERE SEXUALLY ABUSED BY
PRIEST S
PRIEST S PRIESTS, THE POLITICAL ACTS WERE
CLEAR, THE SUPERVISORS ALLOWED
IT TO HAPPEN, THOSE WERE
CRIMINAL ACTS IN ALLOWING IT TO
HAPPEN AND IT’S CONTINUING.
YOU HAVE THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS,
POWERFUL, INFLUENTIAL
POWERFUL, INFLUENTIAL INSTITUTION IN THE WORLD, THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH ALLOWING THE
WHOLESALE SEXUAL ABUSE OF
CHILDREN, SUPERVISORS TURNED
THEIR BACKS ON INNOCENT
CHILDREN, PEDOPHILE PRIESTS
SEXUALLY ABUSED INNOCENT
CHILDREN AND THE VATICAN KNEW
ABOUT IT, CARDINALS KNEW ABOUT
IT.
IT. CARDINAL McCARRICK HIMSELF IS A
SEXUAL ABUSER.
SEXUAL ABUSER. MONSIGNORS KNEW ABOUT IT,
SUPERVISORS KNEW ABOUT IT.
IF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS A
PROBLEM WITH MONEY, THEY’LL CALL
THE POLICE TO DETERMINE WHO IS
STEALING MONEY FROM THE CHURCH,
BUT IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN THEY
KEEP IT QUIET.
THEY KEEP IT QUIET, SECRECY IS
THE COMMONED THROUGH THREAD HERE
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY CONFIDENCE
THIS WILL CHANGE?
TO ALI’S POINT, WE’VE BEEN
TELLING THIS STORY YEAR AFTER
YEAR AND EVEN YESTERDAY WHEN YOU
SAW THE RESPONSE OUT OF
WASHINGTON, THE CARDINAL USED TO
BE IN PITTSBURGH FOR YEARS AND
YEARS AND YOU WOULD THINK THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH WOULD TAKE
DRACONIAN MEASURES TO SAY THE
BUCK STOPS HERE, WE MUST END
THIS.
THIS. BUT WE’RE GETTING WE’RE
DISAPPOINTED, WE’RE SORRY, WE’RE
TROUBLESHOOTING.
TROUBLESHOOTING. >> THAT’S THE HAND THEY PLAYED
FOREVER.
FOREVER. THAT’S THE HAND THAT’S GOT HIM
TO THIS POINT AND THAT’S THE
HAND THEY’RE GOING TO PLAY.
>> SO YOU DON’T THINK ANYTHING
WILL CHANGE?
WILL CHANGE? >> NO, I BELIEVE -- I PERSONALLY
BELIEVE CHANGE IS COMEING BUT
IT’S NOT GOING TO BE BECAUSE OF
THE CHURCH.
THE CHURCH. >> HOW AND WHY?
>> IT WILL BE FORCED LIKE THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH CHANGES ANYTHING
ELSE.
ELSE. THEY’RE FORCED TO DO IT.
THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TO FACE
THIS REPORT.
THIS REPORT. YEARS AGO IT WAS ONLY THE
CATHOLIC CONFERENCE OF BISHOPS,
SECRETLY, SHARING THEIR SECRET
ARCHIVES IN THEIR JOINT
CONFERENCES SOMEWHERE IN THE
COUNTRY SECRETLY WHILE WE ALL
SUFFERED ALONE.
SUFFERED ALONE. NOW WE ARE ALL TOGETHER AND OUR
CONFERENCE ROOM IS A HELL OF A
LOT BIGGER THAN THEIRS.
>> WHAT’S YOUR CONFERENCE ROOM?
WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
>> SOCIAL MEDIA.
I HAVE PEOPLE TODAY, IRELAND,
AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND, BBC,
EVERYWHERE, EVERYWHERE,
EVERYWHERE, EVERYWHERE, EVERYWHERE FROM AROUND THE WORLD
WE’RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THIS
REPORT AND WHAT WE COLLECTIVELY
ARE GOING TO FORCE THE ROMAN
CATHOLIC CHURCH TO DO.
>> MITCHELL, YOU’VE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT HOW WIDESPREAD THIS IS AND
HOW LONG STANDING IT.
THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL, JOSH
SHAPIRO, IN PENNSYLVANIA, SAID
HE DOESN’T THINK HIS OFFICE GOT
EVERYONE.
EVERYONE. HOW WIDESPREAD DO YOU BELIEVE
THIS IS?
THIS IS? IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT THE SAME
PROPORTIONS ACROSS AMERICA?
>> OH, YES.
THIS IS THE -- WHAT WE SAW IN
PENNSYLVANIA -- AND I AGREE WITH
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
THIS IS THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG
JUST IN PENNSYLVANIA ALONE AND I
ADMIRE SHAUN FOR COMING FORWARD
AND I THANK HIM FOR COMING
FORWARD.
FORWARD. BUT VICTIMS OF CLERGY SEXUAL
ABUSE ALWAYS KNOW OTHER VICTIMS
OF SEXUAL ABUSE.
THEY ALWAYS CAN TELL YOU THE
NAMES OF FIVE OR TEN OTHER
VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE BECAUSE
ALL THESE CHILDREN HUNG AROUND
TOGETHER WITH THE PRIEST AND HE
WOULD SEXUALLY ABUSE THEM ALL.
AND SO YOU KNOW THIS IS -- TODAY
ALONE I’VE RECEIVED THREE CALLS
FROM PENNSYLVANIA FROM VICTIMS
WHO SAID I WAS ABUSED BY A
PRIEST WHO IS NOT ON THAT LIST,
I WANT HIS NAME ON THAT LIST.
THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING.
IN BOSTON WHEN IT EXPLODED WE
HAD A TON OF VICTIMS COME
FORWARD NAMING A HUGE BUNCH OF
PRIESTS BUT 20 YEARS LATER I’M
STILL REPRESENTING NEW VICTIMS
COMING FORWARD WHO WERE ABUSED
BY UNNAMED PRIESTS -- PRIESTS
WHO WEREN’T NAMED BEFORE AND
IT’S A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT
SITUATION FOR VICTIMS TO COME
FORWARD BUT BECAUSE OF HEROES
LIKE SHAUN, HE’S NOT ONLY
EMPOWERING HIMSELF, HE’S
EMPOWERING OTHER VICTIMS AND
HE’S MAKING THE WORLD A SAFER
PLACE FOR CHILDREN.
THE CHANGE IS GOING TO COME FROM
OUTSIDE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
THE PUBLIC IS NOW BEING AWARE,
YOU CAN’T LET YOUR CHILDREN NEAR
THESE CRIMINALS BECAUSE NEITHER
THE SUPERVISORS NOR THE CRIMINAL
OR THE PEDOPHILES CARE ABOUT THE
HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF
CHILDREN
CHILDREN CHILDREN.
CHILDREN. >> SHAUN, FOR CATHOLICS TODAY
YOU WERE CANDID IN YOUR VIDEO
SAYING YOU HAVE NO DESIRE TO
HAVE CHILDREN BECAUSE OF THIS.
TODAY HOW TO CATHOLICS AFTER A
REPORT LIKE THIS WALK INTO
CHURCH ON SUNDAY?
TWO OF MY KIDS GO TO CATHOLIC
SCHOOL.
SCHOOL. HOW DO PEOPLE FIND THEIR WAY
AFTER SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
>> BEING RAISED CATHOLIC, I SAY
NOW IS THE TIME YOU HAVE TO DIG
DEEP INTO YOUR FAITH.
YOUR FAITH, NOT YOUR CHURCH’S
FAITH.
FAITH. INTO YOUR FAITH.
INTO YOUR HEART.
THINK ABOUT YOUR JUDGMENT DAY.
DON’T THINK ABOUT -- THE CHURCH
IS MADE UP OF THE PEOPLE.
THE PEOPLE PAY ALL THE BILLS.
>> WILL THIS FINALLY ROCK THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH?
CATHOLIC CHURCH? BECAUSE IT HASN’T BEEN.
>> IF IT DOESN’T, I’M GIVING UP.
I MEAN, WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE TO
DO?
DO? DO YOU HAVE TO WALK IN, KICK THE
DOOR IN, BRING THE CAMERAS AND
CATCH HIM IN A HOTEL IN TIMES
SQUARE?
SQUARE? BECAUSE WE’RE IN TIMES SQUARE.
THESE GUYS ARE JUST LIKE SINGLE
GUYS TRYING TO SCORE ON THE
WEEKEND.
WEEKEND. THIS IS NEW YORK CITY --
>> WITH CHILDREN.
>> WITH CHILDREN.
THEY VISIT NIAGRA FALLS, THEY
TAKE THEM ON CAMPING TRIPS.
THEY TAKE THEM TO THE BEACH.
THEY BRING THEM NEAR ST.
PATRICK’S DAY CATHEDRAL, TAKE
THEM TO A BROADWAY SHOW.
>> YOUR ABUSER WAS TEACHING YOU
HOW TO DRIVE.
>> TEACHING ME HOW TO DRIVE.
WE PLAYED GOLF, WE PLAYED
RACQUETBALL, WE BICYCLED
EVERYWHERE.
EVERYWHERE. YOU NAME IT.
I WAS ONE BLOCK AWAY FROM THE
SCHOOL.
SCHOOL. I GREW UP ONE BLOCK AWAY FROM
THE SCHOOL.
THE SCHOOL. >> SHAUN, THANK YOU, YOU ARE A
HERO.
HERO. FOR THOSE SURVIVORS, THANK YOU
TO YOU FOR DOING THIS AND FOR
MATSCH GARABEDIAN, AN ATTORNEY
FOR SIX VICTIMS IN THE REPORT,
HE HAS BEEN FIGHTING SEX ABUSE
SINCE THE 1990s, THANK YOU FOR
BOTH OF YOU AND TO EVERYONE ELSE
WHO HELPED THIS EFFORT.
>>> THERE WAS A TIME IN THIS
COUNTRY WHEN WE LOOKED TO THE
GOVERNMENT AND WE LOOKED TO THE
CHURCH FOR CUES ON HOW TO ACT,
HOW TO BUILD COMMUNITIES AND HOW
TO WORK TOGETHER.
THE HEADLINES ACROSS THE BOARD
ARE FULL OF EXAMPLES OF HOW
INSTITUTIONS THAT HELPED BUILD
THIS COUNTRY ARE NOW LETTING US
DOWN.
DOWN. SO IF THE INSTITUTIONS AREN’T