>>> WHERE IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY GONE?
PARTY GONE? WHERE HAVE THEY GONE WHERE
THEY’RE DEFENDING THESE TWO
PEOPLE OVER THE STATE OF ISRAEL?
AND I THINK ANY JEWISH PEOPLE
THAT VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT, I
THINK IT SHOWS EITHER A TOTAL
LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OR GREAT
DISLOYALTY.
DISLOYALTY. >> OH, THAT WAS DONALD TRUMP
SETTING OFF YET ANOTHER
CONTROVERSY BOMB IN THE COURSE
OF ATTACKING CONGRESSWOMAN TLAIB
AND OMAR, BLAMING DEMOCRATS FOR
VOTING THEM INTO OFFICE AND IN
SO DOING SAYS "THE NEW YORK
TIMES," QUOTE, HIS LANGUAGE WAS
REMINISCENT OF THE ANTI-SEMITIC
SMEARS THAT JEWS HAVE A DUAL
LOYTY AND MORE DEVOTED TO ISRAEL
THAN THEY ARE TO THEIR OWN
COUNTRIES.
COUNTRIES. TRUMP TRYING TO BEAT BACK
ACCUSATIONS BY TWEETING A QUOTE
LABELING HIM THE KING OF ISRAEL,
INSISTING THEY LOVE HIM LIKE HE
IS THE SECOND COMING OF GOD.
BUT ASTONISHINGLY, THAT DIDN’T
SEEM TO DO MUCH TO CONVINCE
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. THE PRESIDENT TRIED TO DO DAMAGE
CONTROL, LIKE THE REPUBLICAN
JEWISH COALITION, INSISTING NO,
NO, TRUMP WAS TALKING ABOUT
DISLOYALTY TO ONE’S SELF.
SO WITH A CHANCE TODAY TO CLEAN
IT ALL UP THIS AFTERNOON, DONALD
TRUMP DID EXACTLY WHAT YOU WOULD
EXPECT, HE MADE THIS GIANT MESS
ALL THE MESSIER.
>> I THINK THAT IF YOU VOTE FOR
A DEMOCRAT, YOU’RE VERY, VERY
DISLOYAL TO ISRAEL TONIGHT
JEWISH PEOPLE.
JEWISH PEOPLE. >> DEMOCRATS ARE DISLOYAL TO
ISRAEL, IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE
SAYING?
SAYING? >> I SAY SO.
>> ISN’T THAT ANTI-SEMITIC?
>> NO, ONLY IN YOUR HEAD, ONLY
>> JOINING US NOW DANIEL GO
GOLETTI.
GOLETTI. IF YOU SAY A JEWISH PERSON IS
DISLOYAL TO THEIR COUNTRY VOTING
FOR A DEMOCRAT, AND THERE’S NO
EVEN FAINTIST WHIFF OF
ANTI-SEMITICS IN THAT.
IT’S ALL IN YOUR HEAD.
>> YOU GO BACK TO THE DREYFUS
AFFAIR, THE ZION THAT CANARD,
JEWS STABBED GERMANY IN THE BACK
DURING WORLD WAR II, THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT ANTI-SEMITES HAVE
DONE FOR HUNDREDS, THOUSANDS OF
YEARS.
YEARS. I DON’T KNOW WHETHER DONALD
TRUMP IS ANTI-SEMITIC.
I DON’T KNOW WHAT HE HAS IN HIS
HEART.
HEART. >> THERE’S NO DOUBT THIS IS AN
ANTI-SEMITIC TROPE THERE.
>> IT WAS A TROPE.
HE MUST KNOW WHAT THE
CONSEQUENCES OF HIS WORDS ARE.
IN SOME WAYS I SORT OF THINK OF
TRUMP AS -- ELLIOTT LEWIS ONCE
SAID THE OPPOSITE OF LOVE IS NOT
HATE, IT’S INDIFFERENCE.
TRUMP AS A MORAL QUALITY IS
TRANSACTIONAL.
TRANSACTIONAL. THERE’S NO EVIDENCE HE CARES
ABOUT THE STATE OF ISRAEL OR
JEWISH PEOPLE.
JEWISH PEOPLE. THIS IS FOR ELECTORAL PURPOSES.
>> GABE, WE NEVER CAN SAY WE
KNOW WHAT’S IN SOMEONE’S HEART
OR NOT IN THEIR HEART, IT’S AN
AMAZING THING YOU SEE PEOPLE
SCRAMBLING AROUND TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO GIVE
TRUMP AN OUT WHEN HE’S ENGAGED
IN OBVIOUSLY ANTI-SEMITIC TROPE
AND CAME OUT I MEANT WHAT I
SAID, YOU’RE NOT BEING LOYAL TO
ISRAEL IF YOU VOTE FOR A
DEMOCRAT.
DEMOCRAT. IT’S LIKE HE’S NOT JUST NOT --
HE’S NOT JUST MISSED THE EXIT
RAMP BUT DRIVING STRAIGHT INTO A
BRICK WALL.
BRICK WALL. >> HOW OFTEN OVER THE LAST FIVE
YEARS OF DONALD TRUMP AS SERIOUS
INTERNATIONAL POLITICAL FIGURE
HAVE WE SEEN HIM ACTUALLY TAKE
THAT EXIT RAMP.
HE DOESN’T DO THAT.
HE ALWAYS DOUBLES DOWN
REGARDLESS OF THE SUBSTANCE
WE’RE TALKING ABOUT AND THIS IS
PART OF A PATTERN HE HAS OF
TRAFFICKING.
TRAFFICKING. >> DON’T WORRY, WE’LL GET TO
THAT.
THAT. >> BASICALLY THE POINT HERE IS
THAT HE GOT TO THIS VIA A
ROUNDABOUT WAY.
ROUNDABOUT WAY. HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE AN
ELECTORAL POINT, TURNING IT
AROUND ON TLAIB AND OMAR SO HE
DECIDED TO DOUBLE DOWN.
>> GABE, LET’S TALK ABOUT THIS,
YESTERDAY AND TODAY WAS NOT THE
FIRST TIME DONALD TRUMP EMPLOYED
ANTI-SEMITIC TROPES.
ANTI-SEMITIC TROPES. BACK IN 2016 WE HAD THE SAME
QUESTIONS AFTER A SPEECH HE GAVE
AT A JEWISH CONVENTION.
>> I’M DIFFERENT BECAUSE I DON’T
WANT YOUR MONEY.
I WANT YOUR SUPPORT, NOT YOUR
MONEY.
MONEY. WE RENEGOTIATE DEALS, IS THERE
ANYBODY WHO FLOESHTSDOESN’T RENE
DEALS IN THIS ROOM?
PERHAPS MORE THAN ANY ROOM I
HAVE EVER SPOKEN TO.
MAYBE MORE.
MAYBE MORE. >> THE JEWISH PEOPLE AS MONEY
CHANGERS, THERE YOU GO, DONALD
TRUMP.
TRUMP. AGAIN, ACCUSATIONS OF
ANTI-SEMITISM THE FOLLOWING YEAR
WHEN HE TWEETED A PHOTO OF
HILLARY CLINTON SUPERIMPOSED ON
A PILE OF CASH ALONG WITH WHAT
LOOKED LIKE A STAR OF DAVID, AND
TRUMP INSISTING IT WAS A
SHERIFF’S STAR OR PLAIN STAR.
AND THEN DONALD TRUMP’S FINAL
CAMPAIGN AD OF 2016 WITH A
WARNING ABOUT GLOBAL SPECIAL
INTERESTS PARTNERING WITH PEOPLE
WHO DON’T HAVE YOUR GOOD IN MIND
OVER PICTURES OF FEDERAL RESERVE
CHAIR JANET YELLEN AND GEORGE
SOROS, BOTH NOTABLY JEWISH
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. TRUMP WOULD WONDER OPENLY
WHETHER SOROS WAS FUNDING THE
CARAVAN COMING TOWARDS THE
UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES. WHON
WHON AND WHO CAN FORGET
CHARLOTTESVILLE, GOOD PEOPLE ON
BOTH SIDES, WHETHER ONE OF THE
SIDES MADE THE MANTRA THE JEWS
WILL NOT REPLACE US.
SO WE CAN’T KNOW WHAT’S IN THE
PRESIDENT’S HEART, WE CAN ONLY
JUDGE HIM BY HIS WORDS AND
ACTIONS.
ACTIONS. IS THERE ANY WAY TO JUDGE THIS
PRESIDENT ON HIS WORDS AND
ACTIONS REPEATEDLY OVER YEARS
NOW AS BEING SOMEONE IF NOT
ANTI-SEMITE BUT CATERS TO
ANTI-SEMITISM.
ANTI-SEMITISM. >> I THINK WHEN YOU DEAL IN
ANTI-SEMITISM AND DEAL WITH
RACISM, YOU ARE THOSE THINGS.
FRANKLY, THERE’S NO WAY TO GET
AROUND IT.
AROUND IT. THE PRESIDENT WEARS HIS
ANTI-SEMITISM ON HIS SHOULDER
AND WEARS HIS RACISM ON HIS BACK
AND WE HAVE TO TAKE HIM FOR WHAT
HE IS.
HE IS. IT’S UP TO THE PRESIDENT TO FIX
THOSE THINGS BUT EVERY TIME HE
TRIES TO FIX, HE STEPS IN MORE
MUCK.
MUCK. I AM NOT PREPARED TO GIVE THE
PRESIDENT A PASS AS THOUGH
SOMETIMES HE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND
THIS OR KNOW IT.
I DON’T THINK HE’S A STUDENT OF
HISTORY BUT HE KNOWS SOMETHING.
I THINK THESE THINGS ARE
INTENTIONAL FRANKLY.
INTENTIONAL FRANKLY. >> MR. JOLLY?
>> NOBODY WHO’S LIVED THE TYPE
OF LIFE DONALD TRUMP IS GETS TO
HIS AGE THAT IGNORANT.
HE KNOWS WHAT HE’S DOING.
THE MOST GENEROUS THING TO SAY
IS HE HASN’T LEARNED ANY OF THE
LESSONS AROUND HARD CULTURE
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ANTI-SEMITISM AND RACISM.
IF ANYTHING, HE PERPETUATES SOME
OF THE DARKER NARRATIVES THAT
HAS EE BEEN THROUGHOUT OUR
CULTURE AND HISTORY FOR OVER 100
YEARS.
YEARS. >> LOOKING AT THE POINT FROM
VOTERS IN 2016 AND 2018.
2016 YOU HAD 71% OF JEWISH
VOTERS VOTING FOR A DEMOCRAT,
23% VOTING FOR A REPUBLICAN.
IN 2018 IT GOES UP TO 79% AND
DROPS TO 17% FOR REPUBLICANS IN
THAT MIDTERM ELECTION.
DAN, THERE’S -- IT’S HARD TO
KNOW IF YOU’RE STUDYING TWO
ELECTION YEARS, ONE TRUMP IS
DIRECTLY ON THE BALLOT AND ONE
WHERE HE’S NOT BUT THERE’S SOME
DISCUSSION, I KNOW, AMONG
VARIOUS POLITICAL QUARTERS THAT
YOU’RE ALMOST CERTAIN TO SEE
THAT NUMBER GO UP, WHAT TRUMP IS
DOING HERE, IF HE’S TRYING IN
SOME WAY TO GAIN SOME ALLEGIANCE
OF JEWISH VOTERS, HE’S DOING A
PRETTY BAD JOB OF IT.
YOU’RE LOOKING AT THE SITUATION
IN 2020 WHERE THE NORMAL
AFFILIATION OF JEWISH VOTERS
COULD GET EVEN MORE DAMAGING FOR
THE PRESIDENT.
THE PRESIDENT. >> I DON’T THINK THERE’S ANY
DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
SO THIS IDEA THAT WHAT HE’S
DOING IS SOME KIND OF CLEVER
POLITICAL STRATEGY TO DIVIDE
JEWISH VOTERS AND BRING MORE OF
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY I THINK IS
RIDICULOUS.
RIDICULOUS. JEWS VOTED FOR DEMOCRATS IN
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS SOMEWHERE
BETWEEN 70%, 80%, MAYBE 60%
EARLIER SO THAT’S NOT GOING TO
HAPPEN.
HAPPEN. I THINK CONCEIVABLY HE’S TRYING
TO JUICE EVANGELICAL VOTERS
BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT THESE
ISSUES.
ISSUES. THEY DO BELIEVE IN THE SECOND
COMING OF THE MESSIAH.
BY THE WAY, THERE ARE A LOT WHO
BELIEVE ONCE THAT HAPPENS, THE
JEWS WILL BE DRIVEN INTO THE
SEA.
SEA. SO -- BUT IF POLITICALLY, I
DON’T THINK THIS PARTICULARLY IS
WISE STRATEGY ON HIS PART.
>> I DO WANT TO MAKE ONE OTHER
STATEMENT, DID YOU HAVE A PRETTY
PERSUASIVE BILL OF PARTICULARS.
ONE YOU DIDN’T MENTION WAS THE
SPEECH HE GAVE TO THE NATIONAL
REPUBLICAN COALITION, IN WHICH
TALKING TO A GROUP OF REPUBLICAN
JEWS HE REFERRED TO BIBI
NETANYAHU AS YOUR PRIME
MINISTER, AND ISRAEL AS YOUR
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS
BECAUSE THE CLASSIC TROPE IN
TERMS OF DISLOYALTY IS YOU’RE A
FIFTH COLUMNIST.
FIFTH COLUMNIST. YOU’RE NOT LOYAL TO THE UNITED
STATES.
STATES. YOU’RE LOYAL TO A FOREIGN POWER,
IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE ISRAEL.
BUT IMPLICIT IN WHAT HE’S NOW
SAYING TO DEFEND HIMSELF, HE’S
TALKING ABOUT HOW JEWS ARE JUST
LOYAL TO ISRAEL, IS THAT ALL
AMERICAN JEWS NEED TO BE LOYAL
TO ISRAEL AND SUPPORT ALL OF
ISRAEL’S POLICY --
>> LIKE A MIRROR IMAGE.
>> IT IS ANALOGOUS -- EXACTLY,
IT’S A COROLLARY FIELD TROPE.
>> EVANGELICALS, ONE OF THE
STRANGEST THING IN THE WORLD
DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTS IS
EVANGELICALS, AND THEY DO
BELIEVE IN THE SECOND COMING.
IT’S POSSIBLE ON THE BASIS MUCH
EVIDENCE THAT DONALD TRUMP ALSO
BELIEVES IN THE SECOND COMING
AND NOT ONLY THE SECOND COMING
IS GOING TO HAPPEN BUT HAS
ALREADY HAPPENED IN THE CASE OF
DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP. LET’S LOOK AT HOW DONALD TRUMP
REFERRED TO HIMSELF TODAY AT THE
WHITE HOUSE.
WHITE HOUSE. >> SO SOMEBODY -- EXCUSE ME,
SOMEBODY HAD TO DO IT.
I AM THE CHOSEN ONE.
SOMEBODY HAD TO DO IT.
SO I’M TAKING ON CHINA.
I’M TAKING ON CHINA ON TRADE.
>> SO DONALD TRUMP, HE’S TALKING
ABOUT CHINA THERE.
HE WASN’T TALKING ABOUT THIS
CONTROVERSY, OKAY, BUT MAYBE IN
ADDITION TO BEING ANTI-SEMITE OR
TRAFFICKING IN ANTI-SEMITISM,
HE’S ALSO IN THE GRIP OF MESSY
ANNEX.
ANNEX. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT’S A REAL
SNAPSHOT OF WHAT DONALD TRUMP
GENERALLY THINKS WHICH IS HE’S
NOT JUST THE KING OF THE JEWS
BUT THE SECOND COMING?
>> IT’S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE.
THERE’S NO QUESTION
WHATSOEVER --
WHATSOEVER -- >> POSSIBLE?
>> POSSIBLE? I THINK 97% LIKELY.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
>> THERE’S NO DOUBT HE SEES
HIMSELF AS A EXCEPTIONAL WORLD
HISTORICAL FIGURE.
HISTORICAL FIGURE. HE MAKES THAT CLEAR EVERY TIME
HE OPENS HIS MOUTHS OR TWEETS OR
DOES ANYTHING, TALKS ABOUT HOW
SPECIAL HE IS.
I THINK -- I THINK HE WAS JOKING
HERE BUT THERE WAS A REASON IT
WAS IN HIS MIND.
>> DAVID JOLLY, DONALD TRUMP THE
CHOSEN ONE OR AT LEAST IN HIS
OWN MIND THE CHOSEN ONE IN THE
CHURCH OF HIS OWN TEMPLE?
>> ONE WORD,