>>> DURING THE COURSE OF THE DEADLY ASSAULT ON THE PEOPLE OF
THE SYNAGOGUE, BOWERS MADE
STATEMENTS REGARDING GENOCIDE
AND HIS DESIRE TO KILL JEWISH
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. >>> WELCOME BACK TO "AM JOY."
WE’RE LEARNING MORE THIS MORNING
ABOUT A MAN ACCUSED OF KILLING
11 PEOPLE AT A SYNAGOGUE ON
SATURDAY.
SATURDAY. HE YELLED, ALL JEWS MUST DIE AS
HE OPENED FIRE.
WE LEARNED HOURS BEFORE THE
RAMPAGE HE POSTED ON MEDIA,
QUOTE, SCREW THE OPTICS, I’M
GOING IN.
GOING IN. HE ALSO REPEATEDLY POSTED THE
THEORY CONSPIRACY THAT THEY’RE
FUNDING THE MIGRANT CARAVAN.
IT’S SOMEHOW BEING BANK ROLLED
BY LIBERAL PHILANTHROPIST GEORGE
S
S SAROS.
SAROS. >> IT’S HIGHLY ORGANIZED, VERY
ELABORATE, SOPHISTICATED
ELABORATE, SOPHISTICATED OPERATION.
OPERATION. I HAVE THAT FROM THE HIGHEST
LEVELS OF THE GAUT AT THEUATEMAL
GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT. A LOT OF THESE FOLKS ALSO HAVE
AFFILIATES WHO ARE GETTING MONEY
FROM THE SAROS OCCUPIED STATE
DEPARTMENT AND THAT IS A VERY
GRAVE CONCERN.
GRAVE CONCERN. WANT TO START CUTTING MONEY,
START CUTTING MONEY THERE.
>> NONE OF THAT IS TRUE.
JOINING ME IS DEAN OGADULA AND
MARIA INOHOSU AND CAL PERRY AND
HOWARD FINEMAN.
HOWARD FINEMAN. I’M GOING TO YOU, FIRST, CAL.
YOU’VE BEEN DOING REPORTING ON
THIS WHICH DOVETAIL WITH WHAT
YOU SAW ON FOX NEWS.
>> THE SHOOTER WAS ON A SITE
CALLED GAB.COM.
CALLED GAB.COM. THAT’S WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO
CONSIDER THEMSELVES A SOCIAL
MEDIA SITE.
MEDIA SITE. IT IS AN ANTI-SOCIAL MEDIA SITE.
A LOT OF THE USERS ON THIS SITE
HAVE ALREADY BEEN KICKED OFF
TWITTER, OFF FACEBOOK, OFF
INSTAGRAM BECAUSE OF THESE
MESSAGES.
MESSAGES. THREE BUCKETS I WOULD PUT THE
SHOOTERS INTEREST IN,
ANTI-SEMITIC DISCUSSIONS, JUST
GARBAGE ON HIS POSTINGS.
THE SECOND THING WOULD BE THIS
XENOPHOBIC DISCUSSION.
XENOPHOBIC DISCUSSION. THE XENOPHOBIA IS ENDORSED
SPEECH BY OUR POLITICAL LEADERS
TODAY.
TODAY. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED
TO BE VERY CLEAR ON.
THE THIRD THING THAT HE DID ON
HIS SITE WAS AN OBSESSION ABOUT
WEAPONS, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT
GUNS.
GUNS. THAT CLEARLY PLAYED OUT IN THIS
SHOOTING.
SHOOTING. WE KNOW THREE HANDGUNS AND ONE
ASSAULT RIFLE.
ASSAULT RIFLE. THIS SITE IS NOT ABNORMAL.
THERE ARE THESE SITES ALL OVER
THE PLACE.
THE PLACE. THEY CLAIM TO BE THE ASHBY TERSE
OF FREE SPEECH.
THAT’S A SCREEN GRAB THERE OF
THE WEBSITE.
THE WEBSITE. THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD
MENTION ABOUT THIS SHOOTER, AN
OBSESSION WITH THE REFUGEE GROUP
HIAS.
HIAS. THIS IS A GROUP THAT HAS BEEN
AROUND FOR 130 YEARS.
THEY HELP SPECIFICALLY JEWISH
INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE DISPLACED
FROM THEIR HOMES FOR NO OTHER
REASON THAN BEING JEWISH.
SO A LOT OF THIS IS COMING FROM
MAINSTREAM POLITICS.
MAINSTREAM POLITICS. IT IS ALLOWING THE RISE OF
EXTREMISM IN THIS COUNTRY.
IT IS ALLOWING PEOPLE TO FIND A
HOME WITH A LOT OF THESE VIEWS.
THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE SEEN OUT IN
PLAY IN WHAT HAS BEEN A VERY
DARK 72 HOURS.
>> KEVIN McCARTHY, WHO IS THE
HOUSE MINORITY LEADER, HE COULD
BE THE NEXT SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE
IN THEORY, TWEETED ABOUT GEORGE
SAROS EARLIER IN THE WEEK.
WE CANNOT ALLOWS SAROS, STEYER
AND BLOOMBERG TO GET OUT AND BUY
THIS.
THIS. I WANT TO GO TO HOWARD FEINMAN.
THIS CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT
THEY’RE CONTROLLING WHAT HAPPENS
IN THE ELECTION OR ARE OUT TO
TAKE OVER THE COUNTRY, SO HAS
THIS OBSESSIVE LINKAGE BETWEEN,
YOU KNOW, JEWISH PEOPLE OR SOROS
SPECIFICALLY AND THIS MIGRANT
CARAVAN THAT’S 1,000 MILES AWAY
WITH LITTLE KIDS IN IT.
THIS IS DANGEROUS STUFF, HOWARD.
>> IT’S HORRIBLY DANGEROUS, AND
TO JEWISH EYES AND JEWISH EARS,
IT’S ALL TOO FAMILIAR.
THESE ARE TROPES.
THESE ARE BITS OF LANGUAGE.
THESE ARE IDEAS.
THESE ARE -- THESE ARE THE
GARBAGE OF THOUGHT THAT HAS
OBSESSED PEOPLE LIKE THIS FOR
HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF
YEARS.
YEARS. AS I WROTE IN THE PIECE THAT I
DID IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES", I
DIDN’T THINK THIS WAS POSSIBLE
HERE QUITE FRANKLY.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> MAYBE I’M NAIVE AND THE
EVENTS IN MY HOMETOWN AND MY
SYNAGOGUE HAVE MADE ME WONDER.
>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
YOU KNOW, MARIA, THE OBSESSION
THAT UP TO THE PRESIDENT HAVE
HAD OVER THIS MIGRANT CARAVAN,
THE FACT THAT THEY WANT THE
ELECTION TO BE ABOUT IT, MARTHA
McSALLY WHO’S RUNNING IN ARIZONA
GOT UPSET WHEN REPORTERS TRIED
TO ASK HER ABOUT HEALTH CARE
BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT
THIS CARAVAN BECAUSE SHE KNOWS
IT GINS UP FEAR.
TYING IT TO AN ANTI-SEMITIC
THEORY IS OBSCENE.
>> I JUST GOT BACK FROM MEXICO.
I WAS DOING REPORTING ON THE
GROUND.
GROUND. I WASN’T WITH THE CARAVAN.
PART OF WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THIS
GROUP OF PEOPLE STARTED MAKING
THEIR WAY NORTH, IT’S USUALLY A
COUPLE OF HUNDRED, BUT
INTERESTINGLY SOMEPLACE THERE
WAS SOME FAKE NEWS THAT WAS THEN
REPEATED ON THE NATIONAL MEDIA
IN HONDURAS THAT SAID THIS IS
BEING PAID FOR SO WHEN YOU SAY
THAT, PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WOW,
IT’S GOING TO BE SAFE.
I’M GOING TO BE SAFE.
OH, MY GOSH, MAYBE IT’S TRUE
THAT IT’S GOING TO BE PAID FOR.
THAT WAS NOT TRUE.
NONE OF THIS IS TRUE.
IN MEXICO NOBODY IS TALKING
ABOUT THIS IS SOROS -- IT’S LIKE
THIS ILLUSION.
THIS ILLUSION. >> DO THEY KNOW WHO GEORGE SOROS
IS?
IS? >> THAT’S RIGHT.
I KNOW GEORGE SOROS.
HE DOESN’T FUND ANY OF THE MEDIA
THAT I DO.
BUT THIS IS NOT DUDE WHO HAS
INTELLECTUAL TENTACLES COMING
OUT LIKE THE OCTOPUS AT THE
LOWEST LEVEL.
LOWEST LEVEL. WE HEARD ABOUT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT
BE A CARAVAN AND THEY THOUGHT,
MY GOD, THIS MIGHT BE THE TIME
THAT I’M SAFE.
CAN WE REMEMBER, JOY, THIS IS
SEVERAL,000 PEOPLE OUT OF
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN CENTRAL
AMERICA.
AMERICA. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. RIGHT.
RIGHT. >> MILLIONS.
>> MILLIONS. THERE IS NOT A FLOOD.
PEOPLE ARE NOT RUSHING.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> THESE ARE NOT HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS, THESE ARE ABOUT,
WHAT, 4,000 PEOPLE AT THIS
POINT?
POINT? >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. YEAH.
YEAH. >> CAN WE JUST GIVE IT SOME
CONTEXT.
CONTEXT. THE NATIONAL MEDIA HAS BEEN
DOING SUCH A POOR JOB IN TERMS
OF UNDERSTANDING THE CONTEXT
HERE.
HERE. >> THERE ARE 326 MILLION PEOPLE
IN AMERICA AND 4,000 PEOPLE IS
NOT AN INVASION ESPECIALLY WHEN
IT’S A BUNCH OF LITTLE KIDS.
>> DEAN, YOU WROTE A PIECE IN
""THE DAILY BEAST"" AFTER THE
SAYOK ARREST, YOU WROTE THAT
DONALD TRUMP DECRIES GUILT OF
ASSOCIATION.
ASSOCIATION. THERE’S ZERO DOUBT TRUMP WOULD
BE DOING THAT VERY THING IF THE
ALLEGED
ALLEGED ALLEGED MEGA BOMBER HAD USED
SOCIAL MEDIA TO TARGET CRITICS.
THE SAME GOES FOR ALLEGED RIGHT
WING TERRORIST ROBERT BOWER.
I CANNOT IMAGINE THE APP POE
PLEXI ON THE RIGHT HAD EITHER OF
THESE OR THE KROGER SHOOTER BEEN
MUSLIM.
MUSLIM. >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THEY WOULD BE USING IT FOR
POLITICAL GAIN.
POLITICAL GAIN. DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE THAT
BEFORE.
BEFORE. WE DON’T HAVE TO GO WHAT IF.
WE SAW WHEN THERE WAS A TERROR
ATTACK IN NEW YORK LAST YEAR.
TRUMP WANTED TO END THE
DIVERSITY VISA PROGRAM AND CHIEN
MIGRATION.
MIGRATION. HERE HE CALLS FOR NO POLICIES AT
ALL.
ALL. I WANT TO SAY THAT AS I PUT IN
MY ARTICLE, IF DONALD TRUMP WAS
AN ISLAMIC CLERIC WHO COMMITTED
VIOLENCE FROM 2015 WHEN THEY
BEAT UP A VOTER IN BOSTON TO
WHAT WE’RE SEEING NOW, DONALD
TRUMP WOULD BE ARRESTED IF HE
WAS A MUSS LICK CLERIC.
INSTEAD, DONALD TRUMP IS SILENT
ABOUT WHAT IS RADICALIZING THEM.
I WANT TO SAY TO HOWARD, MY
HEART BREAKS FOR YOUR CLERIC.
I WAS ALMOST IN TEARS SEEING
WHAT WAS GOING ON YESTERDAY
PICTURES PEOPLE BEING IN A
CHURCH, A MOSQUE, THE SAME THING
HAPPENING.
HAPPENING. THIS SHOULD NOT BE AMERICA IN
2018.
2018. THE PRESIDENT AND THE WHITE
HOUSE, NOT DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE,
BUT THE CLIMATE OF HATE IS HERE.
>> THAT DECORE OF WHITE
SUPREMACY, IF YOU SPEAK WITH
WHITE SUPREMACISTS IT ALWAYS IS
CENTERED ON ANTI-SEMITISM.
THAT IS THE CORE.
WE BEGIN TO THINK BECAUSE WE’RE
IN THE UNITED STATES THAT
SOMEHOW IT’S A SECOND DAIRY
POSITION.
POSITION. ANTI-SEMITISM IS THE CENTER AND
FROM THERE WE ARE ALL THE MUD
PEOPLE, YOU, ME, WE’RE ALL THE
MUD PEOPLE AND THEREFORE WE CAN
BE TARGETED.
BE TARGETED. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE FBI WHEN
IT LOOKS AT THESE ISSUES, THEY
LOOK AT WHITE SUPREMACY WITHIN
THE CONTEXT OF KIND OF LIKE A
FIRST AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF
SPEECH ISSUE.
SPEECH ISSUE. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> THEY DON’T SEE IT AS DOMESTIC
TERRORISM, AND WITHIN THE FBI
THAT HAS BECOME WHITER AND LESS
DIVERSE SINCE SEPTEMBER 11th,
THEY CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WHITE
NATIONALISTS AS LESS OF A
THREAT.
THREAT. THEY DON’T CALL IT DOMESTIC
TERRORISM.
TERRORISM. MEANWHILE, THEY’LL LOOK AT BLACK
LIVES MATTERED, MUSLIM
ORGANIZATIONS AS GRASSROOTS AND
THEY’RE BEING TARGETED FOR BEING
TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS.
TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS. >> YOU HAVE PEOPLE SAYING THE
DREAM DEFENDERS, DEFENDING THE
DREAM OF MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.
ARE RAD KALTS.
>> THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES IS A LIAR.
THIS IS HOW YOU APPLY FOR ASYLUM
IN THIS COUNTRY.
YOU COME TO A PORT OF ENTRY AND
YOU APPLY FOR ASYLUM.
LAST NIGHT AT HIS RALLY HE SAID,
WELL, I’M HERE BECAUSE THE NEW
YORK STOCK EXCHANGE OPENED THE
DAY AFTER 9/11.
THAT’S A LIE.
IT TOOK MORE THAN A WEEK.
SO LET’S BE CLEAR WHERE WE ARE.
>> CAN I ASK BEFORE I GO TO
HOWARD, YOU HAVE BEEN COVERING
THE SOCIAL MEDIA A BIT.
THERE IS THE SOCIAL MEDIA THING?
YOU HAD TWITTER AND HAD TO GO
BACK AND APOLOGIZE.
PEOPLE WERE PUTTING THREATENING
TWEETS.
TWEETS. WE’VE BEEN SUBJECTED TO THEM IF
YOU ARE A MINORITY OR WOMAN
YOU’VE GOTTEN THEM.
IF YOU ARE JEWISH, YOU GET THE
PICTURE.
PICTURE. SOCIAL MEDIA HAS BEEN SLOW TO
RAIN IT IN.
WHAT IS THE REACTION WITHIN THAT
WORLD WHICH TENDS TO BE A VERY
FIRST AMENDMENT PURIST WORLD TO
THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING
TO THESE PLATFORMS TO SPEW THIS
KIND OF HATE?
SAYOC’S TWITTER WAS LITTERED
WITH HORRIFIC POSTS.
>> THAT’S WHY THESE PEOPLE WERE
KICKED OFF TWITTER AND FACEBOOK.
THEY NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB ON
THE FAKE NEWS AND THE HATE
SPEECH.
SPEECH. THESE WEBSITES, THE GAB
WEBSITES, THESE ARE GOING TO
EXIST REGARDLESS.
EXIST REGARDLESS. PART OF THIS IS BECAUSE OF
REALITY.
REALITY. THIS IS DOWN BECAUSE THE CARRIER
SITES THAT PRO TEKTD THESE
WEBSITES FROM CRASHING EACH
OTHER OR BEING CRASHED BY
HACKERS, THEY’VE NOW SORT OF
LIFTED THEIR VEIL OF PROTECTION
OVER THIS SITE.
THIS SITE WILL BE REPLACED BY
ANOTHER ONE TOMORROW.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> IT WILL BE A PLACE WHERE
EXTREMISTS CAN GO ON AND THEY
CAN EXPOUND THEIR HATE SPEECH.
IT WILL BE A PLACE WHERE
NEONAZIS CAN GO AND RALLY
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. THAT’S WHAT WE SAW ON THIS SITE.
>> HOWARD, JOURNALISTS HAVE BEEN
TARGETED ON STORM FRONT AND
LISTED.
LISTED. THIS IS NOT NEW.
WHEN YOU HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO
SAYS PEOPLE WHO CHANTED JEWS
CANNOT REPLACE US AS VERY FINE
PEOPLE, WE NEED LEADERSHIP TO
TURN THIS AROUND.
>> HE HAVE’ BEEN COVERING
POLITICS FOR A LONG TIME.
IT’S MY PASSION AND MY LOVE.
I’VE WRITTEN A BOOK OF HISTORY
ABOUT IT.
ABOUT IT. HERE’S THE CONCLUSION I’VE COME
TO.
TO. OUR OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE
PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE DEMOCRACY
CAN’T FUNCTION PARADOXICALLY
WITHOUT GREAT LEADERS AND
WITHOUT GREAT LEADERS WITH
CHARACTER.
CHARACTER. AND SOLE AND A SENSE OF MORAL
OUTRAGE.
OUTRAGE. THAT’S WHAT WE NEED NOW.
I’VE GOT TO SAY THAT THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
IS NOT PROVIDING IT.
I WATCHED WHAT HE SAID READING
FROM THE TELEPROMPTER THE OTHER
DAY WITH HIS DENUNS SEEATION OF
ANTI-SEMITISM.
ANTI-SEMITISM. I HAD SEEN DONALD TRUMP DO THAT
THING A MILLION TIMES.
I’M NOT SAYING HE’S AN ANTI-
ANTI-SEMITE.
ANTI-SEMITE. I DON’T THINK HE’S PASSIONATE
ENOUGH IN A SENSE.
I THINK IT WAS ROTE.
I DON’T THINK IT WAS FROM THE
HEART.
HEART. I THINK HE CONVEYS THAT TO HIS
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. IT WAS ALMOST AS THOUGH THEY’RE
MAKING ME READ THIS.
LET’S GO BACK TO WHAT I WANT TO
TALK ABOUT WHICH IS WHETHER I’M
HAVING A BAD HAIR DAY, WHICH IS
WHAT HE DID LAST NIGHT IN HIS
LAST RALLY.
LAST RALLY. THAT’S WHAT WE’RE LACKING.
WE’RE LACKING LEADING LEADERSHIP
NOT JUST IN POLITICS BUT IN ALL
WALKS OF SOCIETY AND WE HAVE
TO -- WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
WE HAVE TO WIN IT AGAIN, THE
SENSE OF DECENCY AND PROCESS AND
DEMOCRACY IN EVERY GENERATION.
THAT’S THE CHALLENGE FOR US NOW.
I DON’T THINK DONALD TRUMP IS
LIVING UP TO IT.
I THINK HE’S ENABLING PASSIONS
THAT ARE GOING TO BE MORE
DIFFICULT TO QUELL AS THE DAYS
AND MONTHS GO ON AND WE’RE GOING
TO NEED GREAT LEADERSHIP TO
CHANGE IT.
CHANGE IT. >> AMEN TO THAT.
THAT’S AN APPROPRIATE NOTE TO
END IT ON.
HOWARD FINEMAN.
HOWARD FINEMAN. OUR CONDOLENCES.
OUR CONDOLENCES. THIS IS YOUR CONGREGATION THAT
THIS TOOK PLACE IN.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
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