WAIT TILL YOU HEAR HOW MUCH MONEY SHE JUST RAISED.
WE HAVE ALL THAT IN THE SHOW.
BUT BEGIN WITH NEW CLASHES OVER
THE MUELLER HEARINGS.
ONE WEEK AWAY AS OF TONIGHT.
FOR MONTHS, TRUMP AND HIS
ATTORNEY GENERAL CLAIMED THEY
WERE FINE WITH MUELLER
TESTIFYING AND IF HE DOES, IT
WOULDN’T BE A BIG DEAL.
THAT ARE BLUSTER THOUGH IS
ALREADY GIVING AWAY TO SOME KIND
OF PALPABLE FEAR.
INCLUDING THIS NEW REPORT THAT
THE TRUMP DOJ WANTS TO SILENCE
MUELLER’S DEPUTIES FROM
TESTIFYING IT AT ALL EVEN IN
CLOSED SESSION AND NOW GIULIANI
JOINING TRUMP ALLIES TO BLAST
THESE HEARINGS BEFORE THEY
BEGIN.
BEGIN. >> A BUNCH OF UNETHICAL
DISGRACEFUL PROSECUTORS WHICH IS
WHAT THEY ARE AND ALL THIS
LIONIZING OF MUELLER IS
DISGRACEFUL.
DISGRACEFUL. HE WAS A HIT MAN.
>> WHEN IT COMES TO
MR. MUELLER’S TESTIMONY, A LOT
OF QUESTIONS ABOUT BIAS AND WHY
HE FLIPPED THE EXPECTATION THAT
AMERICANS ARE INNOCENT TILL
PROVEN GUILTY.
PROVEN GUILTY. >> I THINK HE’S GOING TO HAVE A
TOUGH TIME WEDNESDAY.
IT’S NOT GOING TO GO THE WAY THE
MEDIA THINKS.
MEDIA THINKS. >> I DOUBT IT.
IT WILL BE VERY INTERESTING TO
SEE IF HE DOES ANOTHER STUMBLING
AND BUMBLINGING.
AND BUMBLINGING. > ANOTHER STUMBLING AND
BUMBLING.
BUMBLING. RUDY GIULIANI HIMSELF HAS BEEN
CRITICIZES FOR BUMBLING LEGAL
PRESENTATIONS.
PRESENTATIONS. HE’S OPENING ANOTHER ATTACK ON
MUELLER
MUELLER MUELLER’S DEMEANOR.
MUELLER’S DEMEANOR. OTHERS ABOUT MUELLER’S TEAM AND
THEIR INDEPENDENCE.
THEIR INDEPENDENCE. IT’S NOT JUST A PR BATTLE.
THE STORY I MENTIONED IS
IMPORTANT.
IMPORTANT. PRIVATELY TRUMP’S DOJ HAS BEEN
EXPOSED FOR TRYING TO DERAIL THE
PLANNED TESTIMONY FROM SOME OF
MUELLER’S DEPUTIES TRYING TO
BLOCK TWO OF THEM WHO AGREED TO
SPEAK WITH LAWMAKERS BEHIND
CLOSED DOORS.
CLOSED DOORS. THE DO JUST HAS INSTRUCTED THESE
TWO MEN NOT TO APPEAR AND THEY
DON’T WORK AT THE DOJ ANYMORE
WHICH MEANS THEY PROBABLY CANNOT
CAN BE LEGALLY FORCED TO STAY
QUIET.
QUIET. THE CHILLING SFEEKT WHEN THE DOJ
TELLS EMPLOYEES TO BE QUIET.
THIS STORY HAS NOT GOTTEN A TON
OF ATTENTION.
OF ATTENTION. THERE’S A LOT GOING ON AND THIS
IS PLAYING OUT IN SECRET
LOBBYING IN PRIVATE BACK ROOM
D.C. SKIRMISHES.
D.C. SKIRMISHES. THINK WHAT IT SUGGESTS.
THERE CAN BE VAL RAID REASONS
TOBS SAY OFFICIALS SHOULD NOT
TIFF IN PUBLIC HEARINGS,
SECURITY CONCERNS, CONFIDENTIAL
MATERIAL.
MATERIAL. BOB MUELLER HIMSELF HAS TOLD
CONGRESS HE PREFERS TO TAKE ON
CERTAIN ITEMS IN PRIVATE
SESSION.
SESSION. SOMETHING WE FOUND HE SAID
REPEATEDLY IN THE 60 DIFFERENT
CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS HE’S DONE
OVER HIS LONG CAREER WHICH WE
SCOURED FOR CLUES ON NEXT WEEK’S
HEARING.
HEARING. TONIGHT WE HAVE SOMETHING
DIFFERENT.
DIFFERENT. DONALD TRUMP’S HAND PICKED
ATTORNEY GENERAL TRYING TO
PREVENT TESTIMONY THAT IS
CAREFULLY SLATED FOR IN PRIVATE
SESSION WITH THE VERY MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS LIKE THE INTELLIGENCE
COMMITTEE WHO HAVE THE HIGHEST
CLEARANCE TO HANDLE SECRET
INFORMATION.
INFORMATION. IF THIS SOUNDS BAD, THAT’S
BECAUSE IT LOOKS BAD.
THE DOJ TRYING TO STOP PRIVATE
TESTIMONY RAISING QUESTIONS ONE
WEEK OUT FROM THESE HEARINGS.
FIRST OBVIOUSLY WHAT ARE THEY
AFRAID OF?
AFRAID OF? IF THESE MUELLER PROSECUTORS,
THINK ABOUT THIS I’M GOING TO
SAY IT IN ENGLISH, THESE WERE
THE PEOPLE THAT THIS SAME
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TRUSTED TO
HANDLE THE MOST SENSITIVE
EVIDENCE FOR YEARS OF THIS
PROBE.
PROBE. TO INTERROGATE AND ARREST AND
LEAVE TO THE IMPRISONMENT OF
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. THEY HANDLED ALL OF THAT AND THE
SAME DOJ SAYS THEY CAN’T BE
TRUSTED TO TALK TO AUTHORIZED
MEMBERS OF OUR GOVERNMENT?
SUSPICIOUS.
SUSPICIOUS. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ISN’T
SAYING MUCH ABOUT THEIR ANGLE
HERE.
HERE. IF THEY HAD A PUBLIC DEFENSE, I
WOULD REPORT IT TO YOU.
INTERESTINGLY, THE DEMOCRATS
LEADING THE HEARINGS ARE NOT
SAYING MUCH EITHER.
>> HAVE MUELLER’S DEPUTIES
AGREED TO COME AND TESTIFY IN
CLOSED SESSION?
CLOSED SESSION? >> THEY HAVE AGREED TO TO MEET
WITH OUR COMMITTEE IN CLOSED
SESSION, AND I’M NOT GOING TO
GET INTO SPECIFICS.
>> MAY VERY WELL BE HIS
DEPUTIES.
DEPUTIES. >> DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM
IT WOULD BE, IF IT’S GOING TO BE
NOT MUELLER ABOUT YOU RATHER HIS
DEPUTIES?
DEPUTIES? >> PROBABLY ONE OR TWO.
>> AND WHICH ONES?
>> I DON’T -- I’M NOT GOING TO
SAY THE NAME.
>> I KNEW YOU WEREN’T.
I HAVE TO ASK.
>> THOSE SAME COMMITTEE CLAIRES
DO SAY THEY’RE INTO THE GOING TO
BE INTIMIDATED OUT OF THE PLAN.
>>>, OF COURSE, THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL BOB BARR DOES NOT WANT
MUELLER TO TESTIFY.
HE DOESN’T WANT TO BE CONTRADICT
INSIDE HIS LIES AND
MISREPRESENTS.
MISREPRESENTS. >> I’M SURE HE WOULD BE THRILLED
IF HIS MISREPRESENTATIONS WERE
THE LAST WORD AND WE LOOK
FORWARD TO MR. MUELLER’S
TESTIMONY.
TESTIMONY. >> TAKEN ALL TOGETHER TONIGHT,
THESE DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN SOUND
PRETTY CONFIDENT.
PRETTY CONFIDENT. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SOUNDS
A LITTLE SHOOK.
NOW APPARENTLY AFRAID OF EVEN
PRIVATE TESTIMONY OR MUELLER
TALKING ABOUT HIS REPORT IN
PUBLIC.
PUBLIC. SO WHAT IS SCARY?
WHAT HAS THEM SHOOK ABOUT THE
FACTS?
FACTS? WHAT IS SCARY ABOUT A 400-PAGE
PILE OF EVIDENCE?
BOB MUELLER WROTE THE STORY OF
OUR POLITICAL LIFETIME FOR ALL
TO SEE, TO QUOTE THE LATE GREAT
PRODUCT DIJ, HE PUT OUR LIFETIME
BETWEEN THE PAPER’S LINES.
NEXT WEEK, SOME OF THOSE PAPER’S
LINES MAY COME TO LIFE ON TV,
WHETHER THAT SCARES THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION OR NOT.
I’M JOINED BY JASON JOHNSON,
POLITICS EDITOR FOR THE ROOF,
CAROLINE POLISI WHO REPRESENTED
GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS AND KNOWS
ABOUT THIS PROBE AND GLEN
KIRCHNER WHO KNOWS A THING OR
TWO ABOUT BOB MUELLER HAVING
WORKED DIRECTLY FOR HIM AT THE
D.C. U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE.
GREAT TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE.
GLEN, YOUR VIEW OF THE SIG SIF
CANNES AND SIMPLY INDICATIONS OF
THE ATTEMPT TO GET MUELLER’S
DEPUTIES TO SHUT UP TO NOT SPEAK
EVEN IN A CAREFUL PRIVATE
SETTING NEXT WEEK.
>> YOU ASKED WHAT ARE THEY
AFRAID OF BECAUSE THEY’VE GONE
AROUND CROWING ABOUT HOW THE
MUELLER REPORT ESTABLISHED NO
OBSTRUCTION, NO COLLUSION.
SO WHY WOULDN’T THEY WELCOME THE
PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DID THE
INVESTIGATIVE WORK THAT
GENERATED THE MUELLER REPORT
COMING IN AND TESTIFYING NO
OBSTRUCTION, NO COLLUSION?
BECAUSE THEY’RE AFRAID OF THE
SUBSTANCE OF THE REPORT BECAUSE
AS WE KNOW, IN VOLUME 1, THERE
WAS A FINDING OF SWEEPING AND
SYSTEMIC RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE
AND TONS AND TONS AND I’LL SAY
IT ONE FOR TIME TONS OF
COORDINATION BETWEEN TRUMP
CAMPAIGN OFFICIALS AND RUSSIA.
THAT’S A PROBLEM FOR THE
ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION. AND THEN SECOND, THERE ARE SOME
TEN OR 11 INSTANCES OF WHAT CAN
ONLY BE CALLED OBSTRUCTION OF
JUSTICE BY PRESIDENT TRUMP
DETAILED IN VOLUME 2.
>> 11 INCIDENTS DISCUSSED.
I WOULD SAY FIVE TO SIX ARE
UNDER THAT HIGHER BAD LEVEL OF
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE ACCORDING
TO MUELLER.
TO MUELLER. YOU MAY SEE MORE THAN HIM.
IN TERMS OF WHAT THE MUELLER
REPORT SAYS.
REPORT SAYS. LET ME READ YOU MORE ABOUT THIS
CLASH.
CLASH. IT’S VERY IMPORTANT.
THAT’S WHY IT’S OUR LEAD STORY
WHERE YOU HAVE THE DOJ ACTING
LIKE THEY’RE COOL, DO WHAT I
WANT AND PRIVATELY DROPPING THE
MAMER, READING FROM THE TIMES"
REPORTING ABOUT THESE MUELLER
DEPUTIES, CONSIDERED MUELLER’S
CLOSEST ASSOCIATE, FORMER CHIEF
OF STAFF FUNCTIONED IN A SIMILAR
ROLE IN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S
OFFICE.
OFFICE. MR. JAMES CORRALS WORKED AS A
WATERGATE PROSECUTOR HEAVILY
INVOLVED INTO THE TEAM’S
INVESTIGATION INTO WHETHER
TRUMP’S EFFORTS CONSTITUTED
OBSTRUCTION AND THE LEAD
INTERMEDIARY WITH THE WHITE
HOUSE.
HOUSE. WHAT DO YOU THINK THOSE TWO
PROSECUTORS COULD LAWFULLY SAY,
NOT LEAKING GRAND JURY MATERIAL
OR ANYTHING THEY’RE NOT SUPPOSED
TO.
TO. WE HAVE NO REASON TO THINK THEY
WOULD BREAK THE LAW.
WHAT COULD THEY SAY THAT WOULD
MATTER.
MATTER. >> THEY COULD TALK ABOUT EACH
INSTANCE WHERE THE PRESIDENT WAS
FOUND TO HAVE DONE SOMETHING
THAT PROBABLE CONSTITUTES A HIGH
CRIME AND MISDEMEANOR.
YOU SEE GIULIANI AND BARR TRYING
TO BULLY WITNESSES THEY HAVE NO
LEGAL RIGHT TO BLOCK.
THEY CAN BULLY HOPE HICKS INTO
MAKING A FICTITIOUS CLAIM OF
ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY, A CLAIM WHEN
IT WAS LAST TAKEN UP IN COURT IN
2008 BY JUDGE JOHN BATES, AND IT
WAS A GEORGE W. BUSH ISSUE AT
THAT POINT BECAUSE IT WAS WHITE
HOUSE COUNSEL HARRIET MEYERS
INVOKING IT, JUDGE JOHN BATES, A
GEORGE W. BUSH APPOINTEE SAID
IT’S NONSENSE AND DOESN’T EXIST.
SO THEY CAN TRY TO USE
FICTITIOUS INVOCATIONS OF
PRIVILEGE TO STOP THE HOPE HICKS
AND MANE EVEN THE DON McGAHNS.
NOW THEY’RE DESPERATE BECAUSE
THEY CAN’T STOP THESE PRIVATE
CITIZENS FROM COMING IN AND
TALKING ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE OF
THE REPORT.
THE REPORT. KNOW WHAT?
KNOW WHAT? THEY DON’T HAVE TO PUT ANY BELLS
AND WHISTLES ON IT.
IF THEY TALK ONLY ABOUT WHAT WE
SEE IN THE 448 PAGES, THAT’S A
GREAT START IN EXPOSING WHAT THE
ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE.
>> TURNING TO EXPERTS RIGHT HERE
INTO NEW YORK, JASON, HOW DID
YOU THINK IT LOOKS.
>> THE KEY IS THEY’RE MORE
CONCERNED ABOUT THESE PRIVATE
SESSIONS THAN THEY ARE WITH
MUELLER.
MUELLER. MUELLER HAS ALREADY SAID I’M NOT
GOING TO SAY ANYTHING BEYOND THE
REPORT.
REPORT. IT’S FRUSTRATING BECAUSE I THINK
THAT HAS ALLOWED THIS
ADMINISTRATION TO BE AS
AGGRESSIVE.
AGGRESSIVE. WHY -- MUELLER’S GREAT TILL HE’S
GOT TO BE GREAT.
WHEN HE HAS TO BE GREAT IN FRONT
OF ANYBODY, HE SAYS I’M NOT
GOING TO SAY ANYTHING BESIDES IS
THE REPORT.
THE REPORT. HE SHOULDN’T BE AFRAID TO
EXPOUND UPON THE TRUTH IN THE
MUELLER REPORT.
MUELLER REPORT. THAT’S WHAT MAKES THE
ADMINISTRATION FEEL WE CAN PR
THIS TO DEATH AND GET OUT OF IT.
>> IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT
BOB MUELLER, WEISE KNEW FROM THE
BEGINNING OF THIS HE WASN’T
GOING TO GO OUTSIDE THE FOUR
CORNERS OF THOSE PAGES.
LUCKILY THERE ARE 448 OF THOSE
PAGES.
PAGES. AS YOU HAVE RIGHTLY NOTED NOT
MANY OF WHICH PEOPLE HAVE READ.
THERE WAS A COLLECTIVE LET DOWN
WHEN WE HEARD FROM MUELLER IN
MAY THAT HE DIDN’T WANT TO TALK
TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT.
EVEN IF HE STICKS TO THOSE 448
PAGES, THERE’S SO MUCH IN THERE.
IT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
READING THE BOOK AND WATCHING AN
THE MOVIE.
THE MOVIE. IT’S GOING TO HAVE AN EFFECT
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE
GET ANY NEW INFORMATION OUTSIDE
OF THAT REPORT.
>> WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT ZEBLY
AND QUARRELS AND THE REST OF THE
TEAM WHEN YOU HEAR GIULIANI SAY
THEY’RE TERRIBLE?
THEY’RE TERRIBLE? WHAT’S GOING ON BEHIND THE
SCENES?
SCENES? >> I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THEM
SPECIFICALLY.
SPECIFICALLY. IN TERMS OF MY DEALINGS WITH
CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES, IT
IS -- IT’S A BUREAUCRACY.
I CAN SEE HOW THESE THINGS TAKE
TIME AND I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF
IT WERE BOB MUELLER HIMSELF
THAT’S E MAILING WITH THE
COMMITTEE.
COMMITTEE. SO THERE ARE LAYERS UPON LAYERS
OF NEGOTIATIONS BACK AND FORTH.
>> YOU DEALT WITH THIS AND HAD
YOUR DIFFERENCES WITH THEM.
YOU REPRESENT AID FORMER TRUMP
ADVISER.
ADVISER. DO YOU THINK IT IS REASONABLE
FOR THEM TO TALK IN CLOSED
SESSION?
SESSION? >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK DOJ IS UP
TO?
TO? >> I DON’T SEE DOJ ACTUALLY
PUTTING FORTH ANY REAL ARGUMENTS
FOR ANY REASONS WHY THEY SHOULD
BE DOING IT.
THEY WOULD PREFERABLY NOT DO IT.
>> IS THIS THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT OF FAKE NEWS?
IT’S A FAKE ARGUMENT.
>> I DON’T THINK IT’S A REAL
LEGAL ARGUMENT.
LEGAL ARGUMENT. >> IF WE DID HAVE SOMETHING ON
PAPER, I WOULD QUOTE IT.
>> I DON’T SEE THEM PUSHING THIS
JUST BEYOND WE WOULD PREFER YOU
NOT DO IT.
>> YOU THINK THEY’RE RATTLING
THE CAGE A LITTLE?
>> POTENTIALLY.
>> POTENTIALLY. THERE ARE REASONS THEY WOULDN’T
WANT THEM TO TALK BUT THERE’S
NOTHING REALLY ALREADY LEGAL
THERE.
THERE. >> WORKING THE REFS HERE.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU’RE
TELLING PRIVATE CITIZENS DON’T
LISTEN TO CONGRESS, DON’T
RESPOND TO SUBPOENAS.
THAT IS A LARGER PROBLEM WITH
THIS ADMINISTRATION THEY
BASICALLY IGNORE THE LAW.
THEY FIGURE IF THEY CAN MAKE
ENOUGH NOISE, MAYBE THEY’LL MAKE
THEM NERVOUS, MAYBE THEY’LL MAKE
THE DEMOCRATS NERVOUS.
NONE OF THAT WILL HAPPEN.
THESE ARE PRIVATE RIZS THAT WANT
TO TALK.
TO TALK. >> GLEN, WHEN YOU WERE A DOJ,
DID IT HAVE AS MUCH TROLLING?
BILL BARR LOVES TO TROLL.
YOU’RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT
INTERNET TERM?
INTERNET TERM? >> IT DIDN’T HAVE ANY TROLLING.
>> NO TROLL.
HERE’S A GUY, I’VE SAID THIS
BEFORE ON MY SHOW AND I’LL SAY
IT AGAIN, NO ONE IS ACCUSING
BILL BARR OF BREAKING A LAW.
IT IS NOT AT THIS POINT
SOMETHING AT THAT LEVEL.
BUT HE VERY CLEARLY HIJACKED A
VERY SERIOUS LEGAL PROCESS TO
MAKE A SPECTACLE OF HIS VERSION
OF EVENTS TO OVERRIDE THE
SERIOUS INDEPENDENT
SERIOUS INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION THAT OCCURRED.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CRITICAL OF
THAT, INCLUDING PEOPLE THAT WERE
FORMERLY QUITE SUPPORTIVE OF HIS
CREDENTIALS.
CREDENTIALS. HERE IS BILL BARR.
HERE IS BILL BARR, MR. FOUR-PAGE
SUMMARY OUT THERE TAKING A SHOT,
A LITTLE NECK SHOT AT MUELLER
BEFORE THIS THING STARTS
ACCUSING HIM AND THE CONGRESS OF
MAKING A SPECTACLE.
WHICH IS VERY TROLLY.
TAKE A LOOKING.
> I DON’T THINK THAT SERVES ANY
PURPOSE DRAGGING BOB MUELLER UP
IF HE IS GOING TO STICK TO THE
REPORT.
REPORT. IT SEEMS TO ME THE ONLY REASON
FOR DOING THATTING IS TO CREATE
SOME KIND OF PUBLIC SPECTACLE.
>> GLEN, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> YEAH, WELL, THIS IS THE SAME
BILL BARR WHO SAID MAYBE A MONTH
AGO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH BOB
MUELLER COMING IN AND TESTIFYING
ABOUT HIS INVESTIGATION, HIS
FINDINGS, AND HIS CONCLUSIONS.
SO BARR IS BECOMING ABOUT AS
CONSISTENT AS DONALD TRUMP.
BARR IS ALSO THE PERSON THAT IN
ONE BREATH SAYS I’M GOING TO
RECUSE FROM AN INVESTIGATION AND
THEN TURNS AROUND AND SAYS JUST
KIDDING.
KIDDING. I’M NOT GOING TO RECUSE.
HE REALLY IS BECOMING LESS AND
LESS CREDIBLE AND RELIABLE.
YOU KNOW, HE’S DOING HARM TO THE