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This will be my Thor 5 video Chris Hemsworth
Taika Waititi have been talking about it.
There was a behind the scenes book that a lot of the trades are quoting
now that Thor 5 is in development at Marvel.
Separately, Chris Hemsworth has also been talking about his final movie as Thor.
But I think that's meant to be something
separate, like Avengers five, Qing Dynasty in Avengers six, Secret Wars.
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there are a lot of rumors about Marvel doing like a soft reboot after Avengers
six secret words like sort of retuning the universe
and recasting people if they need to, changing back stories that they have to.
they've already rebooted Spider-Man
so many different times and brought those characters back.
So just imagine like a bigger version of that in the next 20 years.
What the trains are reporting is Taika Waititi talking about what they would do
after Thor, Love and Thunder. And this is his quote.
He says, What's left to do with him talking about Thor himself
It's got to be something else that feels like it's carrying on
with the evolution of the character, but still in a very fun way
and still giving him things to come up against that
feel like they're building on obstacles that he has to overcome.
I don't think we can have a villain that's weaker than HeLa.
I feel like we need to have a step up from there
and add a villain that's somehow more formidable.
they've already set up this arc with Hercules
and the gods going after Thor trying to kill him.
I'll explain that in a second.
that might wind up being a completely separate thing
because Taika Waititi was talking
about that recently, saying that he wasn't going to be involved with that.
we can introduce Hercules and let's make love this notion of it.
But apparently it is, and
it is.
And I know it's opening up a whole new thing,
which I love,
but I think maybe for everyone who loves Greek gods.
Talking more about the lead up into the next Avengers movies.
That's sort of the beginning of this Kang
Multiverse, new Avengers stuff, all coming together in a clear way.
Marvel Phase five is sort of like the march as they
bring them all slowly together by the end of Marvel.
Phase five, the beginning of Marvel, Phase six.
There is a version of the New Avengers team
that'll start to happen in Captain America four New World Order.
Like the Falcon,
Captain America will slowly start putting his quote unquote team together.
And that is the new Avengers team.
and currently right now, Thor is one of the few remaining original core Avengers
I just did a bunch of Captain America for New World Order in Thunderbolts videos
because there's a big World War Hulk plot, Big Hulk related plot that's flying
through those with Red Hulk, with Bruce Banner's Hulk in with Scar, Son of Old.
just in terms of Chris Hemsworth's character.
We last saw him at the end of Thor, Love
and Thunder end, at the end of that movie he agreed to raise Gorge resurrected.
Now Super child named Love resurrected by eternity, the child of eternity.
That's where her superpowers came from.
and they just go on adventures
together around the universe, helping people giving the movie its title.
They are both love and thunder, going around helping people.
here's where we start to get to The plot of the next door movie.
Like Love will not be a big character in that.
But when the events of the movie pick up,
Thor will still be doing what he's doing now, going around helping people,
The Jane Foster stuff, Sacrificing herself and then going to Valhalla when she dies
is also meant to be more of an Avengers six Secret Wars teaser.
Eventually, she will come back, per the rules they set up in Moonlight.
I think the reason she ended up there
is because she formed a contract with the Hammer.
Like even though Moon Knight himself did not believe in the Egyptian afterlife,
he formed a contract with Concho to become Moon Knight.
And that's why he wound up in the duel and as far as I know she heimdall
the original Loki from the 616 Marvel universe not coming back during Thor five.
It's always possible,
But I think it's meant to be more of a secret Wars teaser and eventually
we will see versions of them slowly cameo in other future movies.
some of them won't come back permanently.
Some of them will just be cameos.
But that's the whole reason why they tease Valhalla
in another dimension, like, Oh, they're all still here.
They can come back to the main MCU dimension eventually.
The Hercules Post-Credits scene is really just about setting up
the next Thor movie.
Not so much about Avengers five, Qing Dynasty or Avengers six Secret Words,
but Hercules might also appear in secret words in a cameo to
Because every character in the history of Marvel
is supposed to have some kind of cameo in that movie.
Like think the portal scene from Avengers Endgame times 100.
You want more?
Yes. Yes, we wanted more.
Bring every single character ever.
even Howard The Duck was in the portal scene in Avengers Endgame.
So if Howard the Duck made it into the first version of that,
you have to imagine the most obscure of characters
will probably make it into the secret wards version of that.
but when Zus tells Hercules to go kill Thor and creates this larger plan
to make the lesser beings normal people
fear the gods again, because the whole theme in the movie is
that people have turned away from the gods.
they also address that during moonlight as well.
way fewer people across the universe believe in gods.
So was a way to make the people fear them again.
Zus is having Hercules kill Thor in broad daylight, so to speak,
it is more of a Thor versus
all the other Gods kind of movie, like a War of Realms type of conflict,
a mini version of Avengers Infinity War in Avengers Endgame,
where it's all about Thor versus the rest of the gods,
which is kind of funny because that's kind of what they said.
Thor Love and Thunder up to be like Gore versus
all of the other gods
during that movie Thor even jokes about how all the other gods
are going to hate them and want to kill them now.
Now they're just paying that off like, oh, yeah, they're definitely coming
to try and kill you
In the comics, Hercules was meant to be about as powerful as Thor, just like Thor
in the comics too.
He also gained greater cosmic levels of power to become God of Gods
Rune King Thor is a good example of that, like Thor becoming the God of all Gods.
That's how powerful he was during Chaos War.
More recently in the comics, Hercules also became God of all Gods.
so even though their powers work very differently,
they're kind of the same power level, basically.
even if you haven't read a lot of Hercules comics in the past, MCU Hercules
powers are similar to a lot of the other pop culture depictions of Hercules.
He starts out as a demigod, a son of Zeus and a human woman,
and throughout his adventures attains more power and eventually has to choose
whether to live the rest of his existence as a full on God,
like hundred percent God or pull of Thor in Avengers Endgame
and just continue having adventures on his own on ground level.
Thor's arc in the MCU has been pretty much that.
Like, do you accept your responsibility to become king of your people,
become more of an actual God to your people,
or do you just continue having fun across the universe
since Chris Hemsworth is saying that that next Thor movie versus Hercules in
the Gods is meant to be his last time as the character.
Most people think that means that Hercules is going to be successful
in killing him, but I don't think that that's what they're going with.
also, I think the Chris Hemsworth is being a little misleading
when he's saying he's
leaving the character like Hugh Jackman left Wolverine after Logan.
Patrick Stewart also left Professor X after Logan.
But here they are playing their characters again a lot.
Deadpool three is like a full on Deadpool and Wolverine movie.
based on countless other examples of stuff like this happening in previous movies.
my early theory right
now, is that when Hercules and Thor start the movie battling it out,
eventually they'll have their quote unquote Martha moment post all the memes
like Thor will convince Hercules that they're both total pros.
they're the two biggest bimbos in the Marvel Universe.
Why wouldn't they become drinking pros at some point they'll have a similar arc
with their relationship in the movies that they did in the comics.
like when Hercules was first introduced
in the comics, he became more of a foil for Thor.
They battled it out quite a bit Eventually
they became good friends and just started having lots of fun together.
Just let's go
round, smash a bunch of alien cultures and then get really drunk afterwards.
end, by the end of his last movie, he will accept the greater cosmic role
and become a little bit more like Rune King Thor in the way he fit within
the Marvel Universe in more of a God of Gods cosmic kind of role in.
That'll be how they explain
why Thor isn't around day to day all the time for regular movies anymore,
but how he can still come back for cameos occasionally in the future
when they really want him.
leaving room for Hercules in the MCU to eventually fill
Thor's role on that new Avengers team like he did in the comics.
I honestly they put a chip in my brain
that will explode if I answer any of your questions.
during the first red Hulk arc in the comics
which were getting ready for in the MCU.
The incredible Hercules title even took over for the Thor book in the comics.
a lot of the plot of Qing Dynasty is based on Avengers
Kang War in the comics, which is a little bit different.
But a lot of the new Avengers team in Kang War is the Avengers team
that we're going to see in the MCU.
like Hercules is on the team.
Falcon.
Captain America was on the team, Spider-Man was on the team.
Spider-Man is still going to be on the MCU version
of the Avengers team during Avengers five and Avengers six,
we also have gotten Spider-Man four before that happens.
So I know there's lots of questions about what
the spell changed with Spider-Man and The Avengers.
It didn't change him fighting with The Avengers
or being on the Avengers team.
They just forgot that Peter Parker is the person underneath Spider-Man's mask.
they haven't announced any kind of release date for that Thor versus Hercules
movie that they're setting up or how many other guys are going to be in that movie
unless they announce that they're starting work on it next year.
They wouldn't be able to get it out until after Avengers six Secret Wars.
he will be in Avengers five and Avengers six Secret Wars.
And then after that they'll do that Thor versus Hercules movie.
and then after that he pulls more of a Hugh Jackman
Wolverine, where he only comes back every once in a while.
the post, all your predictions for that Thor versus Hercules movie
in the comments below, who else do you want to see in that movie?
the only other really cool fan favorite slam dunk characters
you could put him up against that people will get really hyped about
would be, say, like Galactus, like Thor versus Galactus or Thor versus Silver
Surfer is a character that they have introduced yet,
and we know the Silver Surfer isn't supposed to be in the next Fantastic
Four movie
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