Natalie that had the people in these comments.
Well, we discussed Jonathan majors and you know we talked
about him a lot on this show in general. And so there was some
news that came down over the weekend about him being
arrested for a domestic violence incident. And so we
discussed it
Michael and I discussed it and
you know
there's always this point you know where people are saying
like the problem is no one is talking about. This has seen
the evidence you know people want to err on the accuser
while the
Used Majors is getting real damage to his career without
being convicted and before the public have have seen
convincing evidence before I get into the second comment.
I just
wanted to address that quickly because
this is something people always do and rightfully so right? And
this country, you're innocent till proven guilty but a point
that I made on the show that day and there has been some
other stuff that's
come out. Since Monday
is that we tried to separate what is fact and what we know
Just like water reports and what we didn't know is that
a woman went to the hospital for injuries that she
sustained. We knew that and we know that his side denied it
and they said that they would offer proof showing us that.
Now
since that time the the Manhattan DA has charged
Jonathan Majors.
He's been actually charged and also there were some text
messages released that I would say, don't actually
help. Him. But that's what he put out. So they said they're,
you know, there'll be a video there would be some other
things we haven't
seen that yet but he is charged. And as of right now,
they are proceeding.
And so to also address that comment if we could go back to
the comments,
people are wondering why people often jump on the side of
the acute of the person who's accusing the victim
and that's what I'm going to call them. And I opened up to
talk about the victim side of this, because I've experienced
domestic violence. In a relationship before. And
the reason why myself and others they believe victims is because
it's not so easy as people think, people
think, oh, these women, they just want money, you know,
they're just trying to get something. They think it's so
easy to come out and make a false claim about this and
like, my family. My immediate family doesn't even know that
I was in an abusive relationship
and there were things about that relationship. My best
friend only found out like within the last couple of
years. Ears. So it's not an easy thing to do. And when
people do come out, often were not believed. So, that's why we
say,
believe victims, it's not
a common occurrence. As people think, I understand that black
men have been harmed by women making false accusations about
them particularly women of the other race,
but we cannot just continue to say,
oh, you know,
we're just not going to leave victims because we know black
men can be harmed. We also don't know the race of
the Victim. So I was just trying to provide that victim's
perspective.
Yeah. I as I said to you,
when you brought it up, I'm glad that you shared that. Just
like Michael, I'm glad you shared the story
about your children and your view
on therapy. This is all, this is all relevant. This is all
helpful to us. I would say this though that first commenter,
you know, talking about
essentially what you said, Natalie and a cent until proven
guilty. Sure. But that doesn't mean passively
address. Seeing the story. So you can do that. You can say
nothing has been proven but you
but you still have to provide context.
So oh well what what? If she's making it up. Okay. You asked
that question?
I need to give you some information about the patterns
in the statistics and how generally
this is not made up, sometimes it is, but most of the time
it's not made out of it is very consummate spits. You got rare
ball sack
that's why I'm saying exactly.
It rarely. It's somebody making it up and it is, it is common
for someone who is a victim. I'll use your term Natalie.
I think it's appropriate.
It's common for a victim to say this happened
and then to recant.
Yes, Dad is calm. It was their fault. That's the common.
That's the common track.
And so don't we got to get Beyond this just because
somebody is innocent until proven guilty. Doesn't mean
you ignore all the information.
You don't have to put your brain your brain.
An can come along with you. You don't have to put that aside
when we're talking about these situations. Yeah. And I just
thought it was a really great point that one of
the commenters made when she said like just because like white
men are other people have gotten away with certain things
in the past with the way that they treated doesn't mean as
a community we have to say we want the black
men to be treated the same. Like if something if a woman is
harmed of any race and she's horrified at the hands of Man,
we should want to hold that person accountable, whether no
matter what, you know, as beloved as Jonathan Majors is
in our community
and time will tell what the truth is there.
My grandfather was a preacher. So I know better than to preach
after somebody's given the word. Thank you, Natalie. All
I will add though.
Is that a lot of people might go and say innocent until
proven guilty. They're not saying it from a place of
neutrality, they're saying it. Implied in that, is that she's
lying
and so it becomes a defense mechanism. And so every time
As a sexual assault or domestic violence incident involving
a fleet or a celebrity. We do a great job of telling ourselves
because the conversation
inevitably comes topic and it exposes
all of us and our far we have to go when it comes to just
discussing this with the Nuance sensitivity and Sensibility
that it requires. Thank you, Natalie
appreciate you will see more from you later on.