IS LEGITIMATE.
SOCIALIST DICTATOR NICOLAS
MADURO STOLE THE PREVIOUS
ELECTION.
HE LOCKED UP AND HE TORTURED
ANYONE TRYING TO UNSEAT HIM.
ACCORDING TO THE VENEZUELAN
CONSTITUTION, IT'S 35-YEAR-OLD
JUAN GUAIDO THAT IS NOW THE
LEADER OF THAT COUNTRY.
HE WAS THE LEADER OF THE
COUNTRY'S CONGRESS, AND NOW HE'S
THE RIGHTFUL PRESIDENT.
BUT SOCIALIST DICTATOR MADURO IS
STILL THERE CLINGING TO POWER
WITH THE HELP OF THE RUSSIANS,
THE IRANIANS, THE CHINESE.
ALL THE PEOPLE WE DON'T GET
ALONG WITH.
YET YOU HAVE HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN VENEZUELA
TAKING TO THE STREETS DEMANDING
HE LEAVE OFFICE IMMEDIATELY.
HOW DOES THIS PLAY OUT?
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR JOHN
BOLTON TELLING ME, NICOLAS
MADURO DESPITE REPORTS LOST THE
SUPPORT OF MUCH OF HIS MILITARY.
WATCH.
>> MADURO CAN'T COUNT ON THEM TO
FOLLOW HIS ORDERS.
SO THERE ARE EXTENSIVE
DISCUSSIONS GOING ON BY MEMBERS
OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY WITH
THE MILITARY THAT'S STILL HAVE
MUCH IN PLAY.
IT'S ONE REASON WHY TODAY IN
WASHINGTON WE HAVE BEEN LOOK AT
WAYS TO DISCONNECT MADURO FROM
THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES HE NEEDS
TO PAY THE MILITARY AND KEEP
HIMSELF IN POWER.
>> SO WHAT WILL IT TAKE FOR
VENEZUELA'S ILLEGITIMATE DECK
TEAR TORE TO ACTUALLY STEP DOWN.
A STATESMAN WHO HAS BEEN FORCED
INTO EXILE.
A MAN WHO HAS THE POSITION THAT
GUAIDO HAS BEFORE BECOMING
PRESIDENT.
MR. JULIO, JUAREZ.
YOU WERE THERE IN 2002 WHEN
CHAVEZ WAS UNSEATED FOR A COUPLE
OF DAYS.
WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN SO YOU
DON'T HAVE A REPEAT OF 2002.
HOW DO YOU GET THE MILITARY ON
THE SIDE OF JUAN GUAIDO?
>> THAT'S A VERY CLEVER
QUESTION, TRICIA, THANK YOU.
THERE IS A DIFFERENT WORLD FROM
2002 THE 2019.
THE MAIN SUPPORT FOR MADURO
WAS THE OIL REVENUE THAT NOW HAS
DROPPED AND THE INDUSTRY HAS
BEEN DESTROYED.
THE SECOND ONE HAS BEEN THE ARMY
FORCE CURRENTLY IN SUPPORT OF
THE ARMY FORCE IT'S SO SMALL.
MADURO ONLY DEPENDS ON 8
GENERALS.
I CAN GIVE YOU THE NAMES OF
THOSE GENERALS.
AND THE REST OF THE FORCE IS
COMPLETELY AGAINST MADURO.
IN THE LAST YEAR IT HAS BEEN SIX
DIFFERENT COUP D'ETAT AGAINST
MADURO.
THE PRESENCE OF THE CUBAN
GOVERNMENT BEHIND MADURO IS THE
MAIN REASON WHY MADURO IS IN
POWER.
OIL, ARMY FORCE AND CUBA.
MADURO ONLY HAS CUBA AND A SMALL
PIECE OF THE ARMY CORPS HUND --
BEHIND HIM.
TRISH: IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE IN
AGREEMENT WITH JOHN BOLTON.
THE RANK AND FILE SUPPORT
CHANGE.
IT'S UP MILITARY AT THIS POINT
BECAUSE THEY WILL BE THE ONES TO
ENFORCE WHO IS GOING TO THE
PALACE.
HOW DO YOU CONVINCE THOSE 8
PEOPLE SO CLOSE TO NICHOLAS MA
DUR HE TO SWITCH SIDES.
>> THIS IS A KEY ISSUE.
99% OF THE ARMY CORPS IS AGAINST
MADURO IT'S ONLY A VERY SMALL
GROUP, AS ANY DICTATORSHIP IN
THE WORLD.
I THINK WE ARE IN AN IMPORTANT
TIME IN WHICH WE HAVE TO MAKE
CLEAR TO A SMALL GROUP OF
MILITARY THAT THEY WANT TO BE
PART OF THE SOLUTION OR THEY
WANT TO BE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE
BUILDING IN VENEZUELA.
TRISH: AND AMNESTY FOR NICOLAS
MADURO?
I IMAGINE IT'S HARD BECAUSE YOU
YOURSELF WERE FORCED INTO EXILE
BECAUSE YOU DARED TO SPEAK UP.
ANYBODY WHO DARES TO SPEAK UP
GOES INTO PRISON OR HAS TO
ESCAPE THE COUNTRY.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS TO HIM IN ALL
THIS?
WHERE DOES NICOLAS MADURO WIND
UP WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE?
>> THE ISSUE IS WE HAVE THIS
COMBINATION, THIS DIBOLLIC
COMBINATION THAT WE HAVE TO
BREAK AND I AM SURE IT WILL BE
IN A REVERSIBLE WAY.
THE COMBINATION OF CUBA KEEPING
THE ARMY FORCE, MAKING VIOLENCE
AND REPRESSION AGAINST THE ARMY
FORCE.
A SMALL BUT CORRUPT HEAD OF THE
COMEY CORPS.
WE NEED -- OF THE ARMY CORPS.
WE NEED PRESSURE ON THIS SMALL
CORE GROUP.
I THINK THE PRESIDENT AND JOHN
BOLTON AND SECRETARY POMPEO ARE
VERY CLEAR.
ALL THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED IN
VENEZUELA, THEY ARE CLEAR THERE
IS ONLY ONE PATH.
A LOT OF PRESSURE PROBABLY --
TRISH: PART OF THAT PRESSURE IS
GOING TO COME IN THE FORM OF
MORE PROTESTS.
WE ARE LEARNING THAT JUAN GUAIDO
IS CALLING FOR MORE PROTESTS IN
THE STREETS OF VENEZUELA.
AT SOME POINT IS THERE A TIPPING
POINT WHEN NICOLAS MADURO SAYS
OKAY, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT
ME HERE.
THEY REALLY DON'T.
AND I TAKE THE HINT, AND HE GOES
AND LIVES HAPPILY EVER AFTER AS
JOHN BOLTON SUGGESTS IN A NICE
VILLA SOMEWHERE NEVER TO BE
HEARD FROM AGAIN, AT LEAST IN
VENEZUELA.
>> WHAT WE ARE BUILDING NOW TO
PRODUCE THIS HAPPY END STORY IS
FOR THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE THE
UNION AND THE CONNECTION FROM
THE INTERNATIONAL PRESSURE, THE
LIMA GROUP AND THE UNITED STATES
AND THE CONNECTION OF BOTH KIND
OF PRESSURE, IT WILL PRODUCE
SOONER OR LATER BUT VERY SOON
DEMOCRATIC OUTCOME IN VENEZUELA.
IT COULD BE BY A GOOD WAY OR
VIOLENCE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE CLEAR.
THE ONE WHO CHOOSE VIOLENCE HAS
BEEN NICOLAS MADURO.
WHAT WE WANT IS ELECTION,
FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY, THE ONE --
THE ONE WHO HAS CLOSED EVERY
DOOR FOR DEMOCRACY HAS BEEN
MADURO.
BUT PRESSURE, INTERNATIONAL AND
INTERNALLY WILL PRODUCE A
DEMOCRATIC OUTCOME VERY SOON IN
VENEZUELA.
TRISH: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.
CERTAINLY THE UNITED STATES OF