>>> JOINING US NOW, DIRECTOR OF THE ANDONBERG PUBLIC POLICY
CENTER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
PENNSYLVANIA, PROFESSOR KATHLEEN
HAM JAMES
HAM JAMES HALL JAMISON, THE AUTHOR OF
"CYBER WAR -- HOW HACKERS HELPED
ELECT THE PRESIDENT" AND, CORY,
IT’S GOOD TO HAVE YOU BOTH
THE PRESIDENT’S ATTORNEY GENERAL
PROCEEDING TO GO ON TELEVISION
IN THE WAKE OF THE MUELLER
REPORT AND SAY IT’S OKAY TO TALK
TO RUSSIANS.
TO RUSSIANS. THERE WAS SO MUCH EXPOSED IN
THIS REPORT IN TERMS OF
MANIPULATING THE TRUTH AND
ACTIVELY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
WHETHER THEY COULD WIN SOME
OTHER WAY.
OTHER WAY. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE RESPONSE
AT THIS POINT, YOU HAVE
ELIZABETH WARREN CALLING FOR
IMPEACHMENT AND OTHERS STILL
WAITING.
WAITING. THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS IN THIS
REPORT THAT GO AGAINST
EVERYTHING THAT THIS COUNTRY
BASED UPON, WHAT DO YOU MAKE
ABOUT THE REACTION AND THE
CONTINUED MANIPULATION OF THE
TRUTH?
TRUTH? >> FIRST, THE REACTION IS
DEFLECTING ATTENTION AWAY FROM A
QUESTION ON WHICH WE SHOULD
FOCUS.
FOCUS. THE MUELLER REPORT CONFIRMS THAT
THE INTERVENTIONS WERE SWEEPING
AND POTENTIALLY LARGE ENOUGH TO
AFFECT THE OUTCOME AND IT ALSO
CONFIRMS THE D.C. LEAKS, THE
FRONT-RUNNERS FOR THE RUSSIANS
GAVE THEM EXCLUSIVES TO
INCENTIVIZE THE HACKED CONTENT
MY RESEARCH SUGGESTS THE HACKED
CONTACT AS USED BY NEWS CHANGED
THE NEWS AGENDA IN A WAY THAT
WAS POTENTIALLY CONSEQUENTIAL.
WE ALSO LEARNED THAT PAUL
MANAFORT HAD GIVEN POLLING DATA
TO KONSTANTIN KILIMNIK, BUT WE
LEARNED HE MAY HAVE SHARED THE
BATTLEGROUND STATES OF FOCUS FOR
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN
THOSE WEREN’T WIDELY BEING
REPORTED ON IN THE PRESS AND
THEY WEREN’T THE FOCUS OF
HILLARY CLINTON KAES CAM’S CAMPA
WISCONSIN, MICHIGAN AND
POTENTIALLY MINNESOTA.
POTENTIALLY MINNESOTA. ALTHOUGH MUELLER DOESN’T KNOW IF
THAT INFORMATION WAS PASSED TO
THE RUSSIANS WHY IT IS TROLLS
WERE ENGAGED IN MINNESOTA AND
THERE’S A BLOCKBUSTER THAT
DESERVES INTENSE SCRUTINY.
IT SUGGESTS THROUGH SPEAR
FISHING, THE RUSSIANS MANAGED TO
ACCESS POTENTIALLY VOTING
INFORMATION IN ONE COUNTY IN
FLORIDA.
FLORIDA. LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT COUNTY
AND SEE WHETHER THERE ARE VOTING
ANOMALIES, WHETHER THERE ARE ANY
PROBLEMS WITH REGISTRATION THAT
ARE UNUSUAL.
ARE UNUSUAL. >> MAYOR GIULIANI’S DEFENSE
YESTERDAY, IF RUSSIA IS INVOLVED
AND YOU TOOK INFORMATION, IT’S
LEGAL, HE DIDN’T DO ANYTHING
WRONG.
WRONG. VOLUME TWO IS THE IDEA OF
OBSTRUCTIONON
OBSTRUCTIONON OBSTRUCTION
OBSTRUCTION OBSTRUCTION.
OBSTRUCTION. EVEN THOUGH ATTORNEY GENERAL
BARR MADE A RULING THEY DID NOT
FIND THIS IS OBSTRUCTION, WHAT
COULD CONGRESS DO TO REOPEN THIS
IDEA
IDEA COULD IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS BE
ON THE HORIZON AND WHAT SORT OF
DANGER DOES THIS POSE TO THE
PRESIDENT AFTER HE LEAVES
OFFICE
OFFICE >> I THINK THIS IS A ROAD MAP,
DIRECTIONS FOR CONGRESS OF WHAT
TO LOOK IN
THEIR STANDARD IS DIFFERENT THAN
THE CRIMINAL STANDARD.
THEY’RE GOING TO ASK WHETHER OR
NOT THE PRESIDENT HAS COMMITTED
HIGH CREAMS P CRIMES AND
MISDEMEANORS
MISDEMEANORS THEY DON’T HAVE TO PROVE HE
OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE BEYOND A
REASONABLE DOUBT
REASONABLE DOUBT THEY HAVE TO ASK WHETHER HE SO
UNDERMINED THE OFFICE THAT
IMPEACHMENT AND REMOVAL ARE
MERITED.
MERITED. IN MY VIEW THE QUESTION REALLY
IS DID HE FAITHFULLY, CUTE THE
LAWS
LAWS THAT’S THE ROLE OF THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. ARTICLE 2 SAYS THAT AND IT SAYS
HE HAS TO FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE
OFFICE
OFFICE AND OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE IS
THE OPPOSITE OF THAT
CONSTITUTIONALLY I THINK THAT
HAS BEEN MET
YOU ASKED WHAT OTHER DANGERS ARE
THERE.
THERE. THE POP WHO THOUGHT THE
PRESIDENT SHOULD BE REMOVED
AFTER -- ALEXANDER HAMILTON
PROSECUTION AFTER REMOVAL FOR A
CRIMINAL PRESIDENT
CRIMINAL PRESIDENT >> JOHN MEACHAM.
>> PROFESSOR JAMISON, TWO QUICK
QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS. ONE IS I’M AT A LOSS FOR AN
ANALOGY FOR WHAT HAPPENED IN ’16
OUTSIDE OF SOME THIRD REICH OF
INTERFERENCE IN 1940, WHICH WAS
FAIRLY DE MINIMIS BY COMPARISON.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE PAST
WE CAN LOOK TO
AND, SECONDLY, DO YOU HAVE ANY
FOR THE KINDS OF ISSUES YOU’RE
TALK ABOUT, IS THERE SOMEONE IN
CONGRESS WHO SEEMS TO GET IT AND
LEAD AN EFFORT HERE?
POLITICAL REFORM IS DIFFICULT.
>> THERE IS NO ANALOGY THAT I
KNOW OF.
KNOW OF. IN THE PAST WHEN CONTENT WAS
ILLEGALLY GOTTEN BY ONE SIDE, IT
WAS TURNED OVER TO THE FBI AND
AS A RESULT THERE WASN’T
SUBSEQUENT USE
SUBSEQUENT USE IN PAST ELECTIONS WHEN THERE WAS
AN ATTEMPT TO ENGAGE IN AT
ALTERNATE ELECTION DIALOGUE,
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE RELEASED
A TAPE ONE TIME, IT HAPPENED OUT
IN THE OPEN NEWS ACCOUNTS AND
WAS LOOKED AT AT
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS WHAT CAN
WE LEARN ABOUT WHAT IS UNIQUE
ABOUT THIS SITUATION AND HOW WE
OUGHT TO ADDRESS IT.
>> ANY HEROS WHO MIGHT BE A
LEADING REFORMER
LEADING REFORMER >> I’M LOOKING TO THE SENATE
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, TO
SENATORS BURR AND WARNER
THEY HAVE BEEN NOT PARTISAN,
IMPARTIAL IN THE WAYS IN WHICH
IN PRESENTED INFORMATION TO THE
COUNTRY AND AVOIDED THE PARTISAN
BACK AND FORTH AND THE QUESTIONS
THEY’VE ASKED IN THEIR COMMITTEE
ARE IMPORTANT AND THEY ARE GOING
TO AT SOME POINT GIVE US WHAT
THEY KNOW.
THEY KNOW. I HOPE AMONG OTHER THINGS THEY
HAVE FIGURED OUT HOW EXTENSIVE
THE TARGETING WAS AND HOW
EXTENSIVE THE REACH WAS.
NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO ANSWER
THE QUESTION WHAT WAS THE EFFECT
OF THE RUSSIAN INTERCONVENTIONS.
WE CAN’T BE CERTAIN OF THE
EFFECT BUT WE CAN SAY THE TROLL
CONTEXT WAS EXTENSIVELY
DISSEMINATED
DISSEMINATED IF PAST ELECTIONS ACTIVITIES
THAT WERE COMPARABLE IN LEVEL
FORECAST THE EFFECT HERE, THEN
THOSE CHANGES IN THE MEDIA
AGENDA OF THEM SERVICES WERE
SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO SWING THE
VOTE
VOTE I’M LOOKING TO SENATE
INTELLIGENCE TO GIVE US
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WILL
HELP US ANSWER THE QUESTION WHAT
HAPPENED AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO
PREVENT A RECURRENCE
I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS
INTENSIVELY ON OUR STATE’S
VOTING SYSTEMS AND MAKE SURE
THEY’RE PROTECTED.
THEY’RE PROTECTED. THIS NEW INFORMATION ABOUT
FLORIDA IS DISTURBING.
>> YOU SAY PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE,
THAT’S THE PROPER COURSE
CONGRESS SHOULD TAKE GOING
FORWARD.
FORWARD. HOW WOULD YOU STRUCTURE THIS
PROCESS GOING FORWARD?
>> I THINK THEY HAVE TO GET EVEN
CLEARER ON THE QUESTION OF
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
WE HAVE TEN INSTANCES WHERE THE
PRESIDENT POSSIBLY OBSTRUCTED
JUSTICE AND THEY SHOULD DELVE
INTO THAT.
INTO THAT. I THINK ALSO THE QUESTION IS
BROADER OF IMPEACHMENT
ONE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT
THE PRESIDENT VIOLATED THE
CRIMINAL LAW, BUT THERE IS NO
CRIMINAL LAW CATEGORY OF HIGH
CRIME.
CRIME. IT’S A MUCH BROADER IDEA OF
WHETHER THE PRESIDENT DID OR DID
NOT SO DEMEAN THE OFFICE THAT
PIECHLT ARE MERITED.
THINGS LIKE WHETHER OR NOT THE
PRESIDENT HAS BEEN HOSTILE TO
VALUES OF RNGS FREEDOM AND THE
MUSLIM BAN
MUSLIM BAN I WANT TO SEE FOCUS ON THE
POSSIBLE CRIMES HERE AND ALSO
CRIMES OF INTELLIGENCE
EVEN IF THE PRESIDENT DIDN’T
COOPERATE WITH THE RUSSIANS
SUFFICIENT TO JUSTIFY INDICTMENT
ON CONSPIRACY, HE STILL HEIGHT
HAVE BEEN NEGLIGENT TO SUCH AN
EFFECT THAT HE SFALDFAILED TO DO
AFFIRMATIVE THING OF PROTECT THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE
CONSTITUTION
CONSTITUTION THE OATH OF OFFICE CALLS ON THE
PRESIDENT TO PRESERVE, PROTECT
AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND
HE CERTAINLY FAILED TO DO SO
HERE
HERE >> THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR
BEING ON THE SHOW THIS MORNING
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