KNOWS WHAT WE’LL DISCUSS.
NEIL?
>> Neil: THANKS, JEFF PAUL
FOLLOWING THE DEVELOPMENTS.
DAN HOFFMAN, THE FORMER CIA
STATION CHIEF IN MOSCOW.
FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR.
DAN, THIS IS PART OF A STRATEGY
WE’VE OFTEN SEEN OUT OF THE
RUSSIANS TO JUST TERRIFY
CIVILIANS AND GET THEM SO
FEARFUL, SO ANXIOUS THAT THEY
WANT TO QUIT THE WAR.
THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED AFTER ALL
OF THIS TIME.
IN THIS LATEST EXAMPLE, WHAT
MADE THEM THINK IT WOULD?
>> RUSSIA IS FOLLOWING THEY
PLAYBOOK.
THIS IS WHAT THEY DID AFTER
PUTIN BECAME PRESIDENT.
IT’S WHAT THEY DID IN SYRIA AS
WELL.
IT’S THE WAY THAT THEIR MILITARY
OPERATES.
ACCORDING TO BRITISH
INTELLIGENCE, RUSSIA’S INVASION
PLANS INCLUDING THESE SORTS OF
SUMMARY EXECUTIONS BY THEIR
INTELLIGENCE COMMISSIONS AND
MILITARY.
>> Neil: I HAD A CHANCE TO TALK
TO THE POLISH AMBASSADOR OVER
THE WEEKEND.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS
REMINDED OF IS THE IDEA OF HOW
LONG THIS DRAGS OUT.
KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS BEFORE WE
GOAT WORD OF THE HORROR IN
BUCHA, THIS IS FROM THE POLISH
AMBASSADOR.
THE.
>> WE HAVE TO BE DETERMINED TO
WAGE A LONG WAR.
THAT’S WHY I’VE BEEN SAYING
REPEATEDLY THAT WE HAVE TO
UPHOLD THE SANCTIONS FOR MANY
YEARS TO COME.
WE HAVE GOING TO LIVE WITH
MR. PUTIN FOR MANY YEARS TO
COME.
>> Neil: WHAT THE THE AMBASSADOR
WAS SAYING AND I KNOW YOU’VE
GOTTEN INTO THIS BEFORE, HOWEVER
THIS ENDS IN UKRAINE AND WE HOPE
IT ENDS SOON AND WITH NOTHING
APPROACHING THE HORROR WEE JUST
SEEN, IF VLADIMIR PUTIN IS STILL
IN CHARGE OF RUSSIA, THOSE
SANCTIONS AND PUNISHMENTS WILL
REMAIN IN EFFECT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> YEAH, AT THE VERY LEAST.
AS LONG AS RUSSIAN EXISTS,
UKRAINE WILL NEED A MASSIVE
INFUSION OF MILITARY ASSISTANCE
AND SECURITY GUARANTEES FROM THE
WEST AND THEY’RE GOING TO NEED A
LOT OF COMMERCIAL LINKS TO THE
WEST.
THIS HAS CAUSED BILLIONS OF
DAMAGE TO UKRAINE’S CIVILIAN
INFRASTRUCTURE ON TOP OF ALL OF
THE CIVILIANS WHOM RUSSIA HAS
KILLED IN THIS BARBARIC WAR.
I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, WE OWE A
DEBT OF GRATITUDE FOR FOX NEWS
AND JOURNALISTS AND OTHER
NETWORKS AND OTHER MEDIA THAT
ARE OUT THERE ON THE FRONT LINES
AT GREAT PERSONAL RISK RECORDING
ALL OF THESE CRIMES, THESE HUMAN
RIGHTS CRIMES THAT RUSSIA IS
COMMITTING.
IT WOULDN’T THAT, WE WOULDN’T
HAVE ALL OF THESE DETAILS.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL
GOING FORWARD TO PROSECUTING THE
RUSSIANS THAT DESERVE IT.
THE SECOND AND LAST POINT, THIS
IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PRESIDENT
BIDEN TO EMPHASIZE, SPEAK TO THE
RUSSIAN MILITARY, TELL THEM TO
STOP STAKING ORDERS FROM THE
KREMLIN.
STOP RAINING DOWN HELL ON
CIVILIANS AND THIS CAN END.
THAT HAS TO HAPPEN FIRST.
>> Neil: YOU THINK THAT CAN EVER
HAPPEN WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN IN
CHARGE THOUGH?
>> NO.
I DON’T BELIEVE IT CAN.
THERE’S NO OFF RAMP FOR VLADIMIR
PUTIN, THIS IS HIS WAR.
THE IRONY OF IT IS, VLADIMIR
PUTIN’S FATE IS INTERTWINED WITH
UKRAINE’S.
IF UKRAINE STAYS IN TO FIGHT AND
WINS, WE HOPE, THAT WILL HAVE AN
IMPACT ON VLADIMIR PUTIN’S
FUTURE.
>> Neil: LET’S GET A SENSE OF
HOW EUROPE HAS RESPONDED TO
THIS.
THERE’S DISTINCTIONS WHETHER
THOSE ARE WAR CRIMES VERSUS GEN
SITE.
OUR PRESIDENT SAID THEY’RE WAR
CRIMES.
DIDN’T TAKE THE NEXT STEP TO
GENOCIDE.
OTHER EUROPEAN LEADERS HAVE.
REGARDLESS, I’D BE CURIOUS OF
WHAT YOU MAKE OF THE FACT THAT
FROM GERMANY TO FRANCE, TO
ITALY, THERE’S A CALL TO SEVER
ALL OF THOSE NATURAL GAS AND OIL
SHIPMENTS NOW.
DON’T WAIT.
AUSTRIA SAYS LET’S NOT DO
SOMETHING CRAZY HERE THAT HURTS
US.
BY AND LARGE, THEY HAVE PUSHED
FOR ENDING ALL OF THESE
SHIPMENTS LIKE NOW.
HOW LIKELY IS THERE AND WHAT
HAPPENS?
RUSSIA ALWAYS SEEMS TO FIND A
WAY AROUND THEM.
>> SO THIS IS CHALLENGING FROM
AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT.
EUROPE HAS -- HAS TO IMPORT GAS
AND OIL FROM SOMEWHERE AND THEY
DIDN’T PLAN FOR THIS YEARS AGO.
VLADIMIR PUTIN HAS BEEN THE SAME
KGB GUY IN THE KREMLIN FOR 20
YEARS.
EVEN JUST A YEAR AGO WHEN RUSSIA
HAD 70,000 TROOPS ON UKRAINE’S
BORDER, TOTAL VIOLATION OF THE
U.N. CHARTER, THREATENING THEIR
SOVEREIGNTY, WE GAVE VLADIMIR
PUTIN A SUMMIT AND DID NOT
PREPARE FOR THIS EVENTUALITY.
A PLAYED FRANCE AND GERMANY BUT
IT’S LATE IN COMING AND
SCRAMBLING RIGHT NOW TO DO WITH
THE ECONOMIC RAMIFICATIONS OF
SEVERING TIES WITH THEIR MAIN
SUPPLIER OF HYDRO CARBONS.
THAT IS AN EXTRAORDINARY
CHALLENGE.
>> Neil: THANKS, DAN.
WE’RE CONTINUING TO MONITOR THE
DEVELOPMENTS AND HOW WIDESPREAD
THE RESPONSE WILL BE, WHETHER
ALL COUNTRIES WILL BE ON UNISON